2024-2025 Portal Thread

Folllowing a coach, always a good thing. Means the coach trusts him and knows how to best use the talent.
Was thinking the same thing, I like these guys following coaches. Should be can’t miss since they are very familiar with their abilities and should play a decent role next year. With Canepa, McDaniel, and if we add Rigby and Monney, those are all guys following coaches from a previous school.
 
Dillon Gabriel was going to be benched in Norman, saw the writing on the wall, and decided to leave.

Maalik Murphy didn't play meaningful snaps while at Texas and when he did play, he was just over 50% completion and a 1:1 TD:INT ratio.

Cam Ward started his career at Incarnate Word.

Let's just let the coaching staff do their thing and not assume that, because someone comes from a smaller school, that we're "settling" for players.
Man, you completely missed my point. I didn't say I don't like small school guys. Some of our best players have come from small schools, and I think our staff does maybe the best job in the country finding those guys. The point I'm making is because we have success there, that shouldn't be the only well we go to.

A good example would be NFL QB's. There have been 9 guys in the NFL throw for 5,000 yards. All but one has been 6'2 or taller. The saints shouldn't only draft guys that are 6'0 because drew brees was 6'0 and threw for 5,000 yards. It also doesn't mean a guarantee for success if you are 6'2 or taller, as several QB's have been taller and flamed out.

The point is you bet on the better players, and you gamble on the diamonds in the rough, not the other way around.
 
Man, you completely missed my point. I didn't say I don't like small school guys. Some of our best players have come from small schools, and I think our staff does maybe the best job in the country finding those guys. The point I'm making is because we have success there, that shouldn't be the only well we go to.

A good example would be NFL QB's. There have been 9 guys in the NFL throw for 5,000 yards. All but one has been 6'2 or taller. The saints shouldn't only draft guys that are 6'0 because drew brees was 6'0 and threw for 5,000 yards. It also doesn't mean a guarantee for success if you are 6'2 or taller, as several QB's have been taller and flamed out.

The point is you bet on the better players, and you gamble on the diamonds in the rough, not the other way around.
You think we're only going after small school players? Just look at who we offer every year out of high school and in the transfer portals. We swing at the big fish, too. We just don't land many of them. I'm struggling to understand your argument because it's fundamentally incorrect.

For the record, if these players were truly "better", they wouldn't be in the transfer portal leaving bigger schools. Like the LSU DB we just signed. Big school, big conference, must be better, right? In 3 years, he has 3 solo tackles. That's it. Not a single pass break up or interception. I'm much more excited about the freshman DE we just signed from UTEP than the LSU DB.
 
Like the LSU DB we just signed. Big school, big conference, must be better, right? In 3 years, he has 3 solo tackles. That's it. Not a single pass break up or interception.
That's not accurate. He had 3 tackles LAST year.

He made just two appearances as a true freshman at Ohio State before a season-ending shoulder injury sidelined him. He rebounded in 2022, playing in 12 games and starting five. He logged 20 total tackles and 16 solo stops. But his injury troubles weren’t over.

After transferring to LSU, he suffered a leg fracture at the beginning of the Tigers’ preseason practices in 2023 and didn’t return until this past season. He appeared in 10 games for the Tigers in 2024 but managed just three tackles.
 
That's not accurate. He had 3 tackles LAST year.

He made just two appearances as a true freshman at Ohio State before a season-ending shoulder injury sidelined him. He rebounded in 2022, playing in 12 games and starting five. He logged 20 total tackles and 16 solo stops. But his injury troubles weren’t over.

After transferring to LSU, he suffered a leg fracture at the beginning of the Tigers’ preseason practices in 2023 and didn’t return until this past season. He appeared in 10 games for the Tigers in 2024 but managed just three tackles.
If so, then apologies. ESPN only shows the 3 solo tackles. Either way, my point still stands- I'm much more excited about the DE, despite coming from UTEP.

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If so, then apologies. ESPN only shows the 3 solo tackles. Either way, my point still stands- I'm much more excited about the DE, despite coming from UTEP.

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All good. Just wanting to correct inaccurate information.

I'm not super excited about JK, but the last guy we got that underachieved at LSU (Tyron Johnson) worked out great so crossing fingers.
 
Just in case anybody is looking for a comprehensive list so far and would like to see it all in one place, it looks like 247 has the most commits listed from the portal and it also lists their remaining eligibility:

OT Tyler Brumfield (Snow College), two years of eligibility

OT Louie Canepa (New Mexico State), two years of eligibility

OL Kasen Carpenter (Tulsa), three years of eligibility

DE Malik Charles (West Georgia), two years of eligibility

DL Kyran Duhon (UTEP), three years of eligibility

TE Oscar Hammond (North Texas), two years of eligibility

RB Kalib Hicks (Oklahoma), three years of eligibility

CB JK Johnson (LSU), two years of eligibility

LB Bryan McCoy (Akron), one year of eligibility

S Mordecai McDaniel (Charlotte), two years of eligibility

TE Will Monney (Utah State), two years of eligibility

TE Jordan Owens (Central Arkansas), one year of eligibility

K Gabe Panikowski (Idaho State), one year of eligibility

LB Brandon Rawls (Saginaw Valley State), one year of eligibility

WR Shamar Rigby (Purdue), three years of eligibility

IOL Lavaka Taukeiaho (Weber State), three years of eligibility

 
Just in case anybody is looking for a comprehensive list so far and would like to see it all in one place, it looks like 247 has the most commits listed from the portal and it also lists their remaining eligibility:

OT Tyler Brumfield (Snow College), two years of eligibility

OT Louie Canepa (New Mexico State), two years of eligibility

OL Kasen Carpenter (Tulsa), three years of eligibility

DE Malik Charles (West Georgia), two years of eligibility

DL Kyran Duhon (UTEP), three years of eligibility

TE Oscar Hammond (North Texas), two years of eligibility

RB Kalib Hicks (Oklahoma), three years of eligibility

CB JK Johnson (LSU), two years of eligibility

LB Bryan McCoy (Akron), one year of eligibility

S Mordecai McDaniel (Charlotte), two years of eligibility

TE Will Monney (Utah State), two years of eligibility

TE Jordan Owens (Central Arkansas), one year of eligibility

K Gabe Panikowski (Idaho State), one year of eligibility

LB Brandon Rawls (Saginaw Valley State), one year of eligibility

WR Shamar Rigby (Purdue), three years of eligibility

IOL Lavaka Taukeiaho (Weber State), three years of eligibility


With the recent juco ruling, those guys could have even more eligibility.
 
You think we're only going after small school players? Just look at who we offer every year out of high school and in the transfer portals. We swing at the big fish, too. We just don't land many of them. I'm struggling to understand your argument because it's fundamentally incorrect.

For the record, if these players were truly "better", they wouldn't be in the transfer portal leaving bigger schools. Like the LSU DB we just signed. Big school, big conference, must be better, right? In 3 years, he has 3 solo tackles. That's it. Not a single pass break up or interception. I'm much more excited about the freshman DE we just signed from UTEP than the LSU DB.
My argument is, you try to get as many of the best players in the country as possible (4 and 5 stars, heck even some three stars), and fill the holes with diamond in the rough guys. Obviously, we aren't going to get them all, or even a majority of them. Look at the list at the link, we have ZERO of the top 200 portal players in the country. That's terrible. To argue anything else is ridiculous.

It is poor performance from our recruiting department to continually be unable to land high end talent. Can you honestly disagree with that assessment?

 
My argument is, you try to get as many of the best players in the country as possible (4 and 5 stars, heck even some three stars), and fill the holes with diamond in the rough guys. Obviously, we aren't going to get them all, or even a majority of them. Look at the list at the link, we have ZERO of the top 200 portal players in the country. That's terrible. To argue anything else is ridiculous.

It is poor performance from our recruiting department to continually be unable to land high end talent. Can you honestly disagree with that assessment?


Last I saw earlier today our portal class is currently ranked top 30, probably higher now with Carrington. I would not call that terrible at all and in no way is it ridiculous. In fact, I’d say all things considered that’s pretty damn good right now. You’re being dramatic.
 
My argument is, you try to get as many of the best players in the country as possible (4 and 5 stars, heck even some three stars), and fill the holes with diamond in the rough guys. Obviously, we aren't going to get them all, or even a majority of them. Look at the list at the link, we have ZERO of the top 200 portal players in the country. That's terrible. To argue anything else is ridiculous.

It is poor performance from our recruiting department to continually be unable to land high end talent. Can you honestly disagree with that assessment?

My point is how do you give rankings to a kid in the portal?

Take, for instance, the JK Johnson kid. He was a 4 star DB in high school. He played in 2 seasons and had more broken limbs than interceptions at the collegiate level. He enters the transfer portal. Is he still a 4 star? Is he a 3 star? How do you even rank that kind of player? FWIW, he seems to be a 3* everywhere (which, in reality, is likely one site giving him a 3* just for grins and giggles and the rest following suit expecting the other to actually have done some research).

How about the DE we signed from UTEP. He doesn't even show up in the link you posted. On 247, he's a 3*. How are they ranked the same? One has barely any recorded stats over 2 seasons, the other had 43 tackles, 7 TFLs, and 7 sacks and was on the CUSA All-Freshmen team after just one season.

The portal is as big an unknown as recruiting high school kids. You have no idea why they're leaving, how much their experience will actually transfer to our program, and how they'll fit in with the team culture. Just like I don't expect anyone to truly be able to accurately "rank" these players for whatever subscription service is paying them for their "scouting".

I guess, fundamentally, you and I would need to agree that our recruiting department is performing poorly. I don't have nearly enough information to be able to judge them on their performance, and frankly, neither do you. I don't know how much money we have to throw around every year. I don't know how much of our 10 win season last year was on recruiting and how much was on coaching/player development. However, I can extrapolate that since the 10 win team largely returned and then fell on its face this year, it has more to do with coaching than recruiting.

You, on the other hand, are looking at these sites and using them as the benchmark with which to grade our recruiting performances. That's a terrible benchmark. Recruiting has to be graded in retrospect to be truly accurate. Which, by the way, we always seem to outperform our recruiting, so is it some magic on our coaching staff, or is it the fact that no recruiting site could possibly be everywhere across America and judging these kids on the same subjective criteria? Occam's razor and such. It's probably as simple as the fact that there's no way for these sites to have the manpower nor the expertise needed to accurately grade every kid in America.
 
Just in case anybody is looking for a comprehensive list so far and would like to see it all in one place, it looks like 247 has the most commits listed from the portal and it also lists their remaining eligibility:

OT Tyler Brumfield (Snow College), two years of eligibility

OT Louie Canepa (New Mexico State), two years of eligibility

OL Kasen Carpenter (Tulsa), three years of eligibility

DE Malik Charles (West Georgia), two years of eligibility

DL Kyran Duhon (UTEP), three years of eligibility

TE Oscar Hammond (North Texas), two years of eligibility

RB Kalib Hicks (Oklahoma), three years of eligibility

CB JK Johnson (LSU), two years of eligibility

LB Bryan McCoy (Akron), one year of eligibility

S Mordecai McDaniel (Charlotte), two years of eligibility

TE Will Monney (Utah State), two years of eligibility

TE Jordan Owens (Central Arkansas), one year of eligibility

K Gabe Panikowski (Idaho State), one year of eligibility

LB Brandon Rawls (Saginaw Valley State), one year of eligibility

WR Shamar Rigby (Purdue), three years of eligibility

IOL Lavaka Taukeiaho (Weber State), three years of eligibility

One publication has the portal class listed at number 28.
 
The portal is as big an unknown as recruiting high school kids. You have no idea why they're leaving, how much their experience will actually transfer to our program, and how they'll fit in with the team culture. Just like I don't expect anyone to truly be able to accurately "rank" these players for whatever subscription service is paying them for their "scouting".


I agree with your sentiment but think this is inaccurate, at least with kids with some tape on them. We invested more into looking at potential portal prospects the past season so hopefully we have a better idea of how the kids we are signing fit into what we are doing. Even against lower level competition it's going to be more like what they will experience at the P4 level vs high school. Plus, at least with FBS players our staff is more likely to have a relationship with their former coaches and will hopefully have an idea how the kids will fit our culture.

But yeah, how do you compare a kid who blew up the competition at a FCS school vs a highly rated kid who went high major but has been hurt? Like traditional recruiting I put more stock on our coaches getting the kids they want (and are hopefully being recruited by other P4 programs) than any arbitrary ranking.
 
My point is how do you give rankings to a kid in the portal?

Take, for instance, the JK Johnson kid. He was a 4 star DB in high school. He played in 2 seasons and had more broken limbs than interceptions at the collegiate level. He enters the transfer portal. Is he still a 4 star? Is he a 3 star? How do you even rank that kind of player? FWIW, he seems to be a 3* everywhere (which, in reality, is likely one site giving him a 3* just for grins and giggles and the rest following suit expecting the other to actually have done some research).

How about the DE we signed from UTEP. He doesn't even show up in the link you posted. On 247, he's a 3*. How are they ranked the same? One has barely any recorded stats over 2 seasons, the other had 43 tackles, 7 TFLs, and 7 sacks and was on the CUSA All-Freshmen team after just one season.

The portal is as big an unknown as recruiting high school kids. You have no idea why they're leaving, how much their experience will actually transfer to our program, and how they'll fit in with the team culture. Just like I don't expect anyone to truly be able to accurately "rank" these players for whatever subscription service is paying them for their "scouting".

I guess, fundamentally, you and I would need to agree that our recruiting department is performing poorly. I don't have nearly enough information to be able to judge them on their performance, and frankly, neither do you. I don't know how much money we have to throw around every year. I don't know how much of our 10 win season last year was on recruiting and how much was on coaching/player development. However, I can extrapolate that since the 10 win team largely returned and then fell on its face this year, it has more to do with coaching than recruiting.

You, on the other hand, are looking at these sites and using them as the benchmark with which to grade our recruiting performances. That's a terrible benchmark. Recruiting has to be graded in retrospect to be truly accurate. Which, by the way, we always seem to outperform our recruiting, so is it some magic on our coaching staff, or is it the fact that no recruiting site could possibly be everywhere across America and judging these kids on the same subjective criteria? Occam's razor and such. It's probably as simple as the fact that there's no way for these sites to have the manpower nor the expertise needed to accurately grade every kid in America.
I'll eat crow on a few things. 1) I was looking at 2024 individuals, not 2025. 2) I 100% agree that you can't accurately assess talent from 2,200 transfer kids, in addition to a quarter million high school kids. Because of that, it's inevitable that diamond in the rough kids will exists, potentially in high number.

I agree with you, fundamentally, we view recruiting and recruiting sites differently. I think for the most part they do a good job of sorting through the crap that folks like us with normal jobs don't have time, knowledge, or reason to do. I know others have us ranked higher, and their methodologies lead to that, but when you dig in you see that is more from quantity of recruits rater that quality. On3 does a good job at considering, incoming, outgoing, and average ranking of each, with us being ranked 51. Again, maybe it's the wrong site to put stock in, but they were one of the pioneers on portal ranking.

Whoever shows up on campus, I'll cheer for like I do all the rest. I just don't believe all small school guys is the answer. Gladly willing to be proven wrong in the fall.
 
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