Official Game Thread: Oklahoma State vs. Oregon

[Okiemike31]

The delusion on this board is palpable. Especially with the younger fans that don’’t realize that this was a losing program prior to Gundy being our head coach. Through the 102 seasons prior to Gundy being our coach we had 464 wins, 488 losses and 48 ties or a .488 winning percentage. In other words we averaged a 4-7 season throughout our existence. The very reason we expect more and are spoiled with being a consistent Top 25 team year in and year out is largely because of Mike Gundy. Yes, Boone Pickens definitely helped with his financial donations, but those began after Mike Gundy started winning and gave him confidence that the program was worth investing in. Believe me, there’s things that Gundy does that make me want to smack him in the side of the head. He should just stop doing interviews with the press. However, there’s no doubt in my mind that Mike loves Oklahoma State and he used to love college football. I don’t think you can say the same thing about that last one any longer. I don’t think he’s having any fun at all coaching with one hand behind his back financially. Used to be you invested in facilities to attract players to come to your program. That no longer applies. The current reality is players play for the highest bidder and they have zero loyalty. Our main issue is not Mike Gundy, it is our lack of NIL revenue and the complete lack of regulation of the transfer portal. We’ve lost four of our top ten donors in the last five years, three of them were in the top five in Boone Pickens, Sherman Smith, Cecil O’Brate and just this year Bob Funk, who was our 10th rated donor. If those guys were still living we’d have an NIL budget more like Oregon. Unless we get an NIL budget about four times what we’re spending now, look forward to going back to that .488 average rate of success, regardless of who the head coach is. That is just a sad fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not! Replacing our most successful coach in history without fixing the NIL revenue issue first would be foolish. What decent coach would be crazy enough to come to a program with an insufficient NIL budget to be able to compete and who just fired their 21 year most successful coach in it’s history. Nobody worth a damn is the answer to that question! For those of you who think Zac Robinson who is on a fast track to be an NFL head coach would even think about joining the shit show that is college football, you’re deluding yourself! It’s a terrible situation we’re in currently and I have no doubt we’re about to make it exponentially worse by making a.knee jerk decision!

Not sure how you could be worse than zero Big XII wins in a season, Mike Gundy is part of the reason our NIL suffers, his attitude towards donors and his ego that made him think that he can google coordinators and hire them to run his system on offense and defense has made the team completely unwatchable. This is not a knee jerk reaction we have been getting embarrassed since 2022.

 

[DxCowboy]

The delusion on this board is palpable. Especially with the younger fans that don’’t realize that this was a losing program prior to Gundy being our head coach. Through the 102 seasons prior to Gundy being our coach we had 464 wins, 488 losses and 48 ties or a .488 winning percentage. In other words we averaged a 4-7 season throughout our existence. The very reason we expect more and are spoiled with being a consistent Top 25 team year in and year out is largely because of Mike Gundy. Yes, Boone Pickens definitely helped with his financial donations, but those began after Mike Gundy started winning and gave him confidence that the program was worth investing in. Believe me, there’s things that Gundy does that make me want to smack him in the side of the head. He should just stop doing interviews with the press. However, there’s no doubt in my mind that Mike loves Oklahoma State and he used to love college football. I don’t think you can say the same thing about that last one any longer. I don’t think he’s having any fun at all coaching with one hand behind his back financially. Used to be you invested in facilities to attract players to come to your program. That no longer applies. The current reality is players play for the highest bidder and they have zero loyalty. Our main issue is not Mike Gundy, it is our lack of NIL revenue and the complete lack of regulation of the transfer portal. We’ve lost four of our top ten donors in the last five years, three of them were in the top five in Boone Pickens, Sherman Smith, Cecil O’Brate and just this year Bob Funk, who was our 10th rated donor. If those guys were still living we’d have an NIL budget more like Oregon. Unless we get an NIL budget about four times what we’re spending now, look forward to going back to that .488 average rate of success, regardless of who the head coach is. That is just a sad fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not! Replacing our most successful coach in history without fixing the NIL revenue issue first would be foolish. What decent coach would be crazy enough to come to a program with an insufficient NIL budget to be able to compete and who just fired their 21 year most successful coach in it’s history. Nobody worth a damn is the answer to that question! For those of you who think Zac Robinson who is on a fast track to be an NFL head coach would even think about joining the shit show that is college football, you’re deluding yourself! It’s a terrible situation we’re in currently and I have no doubt we’re about to make it exponentially worse by making a.knee jerk decision!

Dude, it’s not knee jerk at this point.

Paragraphs are nice, too.

 

[Pokes3220]

The delusion on this board is palpable. Especially with the younger fans that don’’t realize that this was a losing program prior to Gundy being our head coach. Through the 102 seasons prior to Gundy being our coach we had 464 wins, 488 losses and 48 ties or a .488 winning percentage. In other words we averaged a 4-7 season throughout our existence. The very reason we expect more and are spoiled with being a consistent Top 25 team year in and year out is largely because of Mike Gundy. Yes, Boone Pickens definitely helped with his financial donations, but those began after Mike Gundy started winning and gave him confidence that the program was worth investing in. Believe me, there’s things that Gundy does that make me want to smack him in the side of the head. He should just stop doing interviews with the press. However, there’s no doubt in my mind that Mike loves Oklahoma State and he used to love college football. I don’t think you can say the same thing about that last one any longer. I don’t think he’s having any fun at all coaching with one hand behind his back financially. Used to be you invested in facilities to attract players to come to your program. That no longer applies. The current reality is players play for the highest bidder and they have zero loyalty. Our main issue is not Mike Gundy, it is our lack of NIL revenue and the complete lack of regulation of the transfer portal. We’ve lost four of our top ten donors in the last five years, three of them were in the top five in Boone Pickens, Sherman Smith, Cecil O’Brate and just this year Bob Funk, who was our 10th rated donor. If those guys were still living we’d have an NIL budget more like Oregon. Unless we get an NIL budget about four times what we’re spending now, look forward to going back to that .488 average rate of success, regardless of who the head coach is. That is just a sad fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not! Replacing our most successful coach in history without fixing the NIL revenue issue first would be foolish. What decent coach would be crazy enough to come to a program with an insufficient NIL budget to be able to compete and who just fired their 21 year most successful coach in it’s history. Nobody worth a damn is the answer to that question! For those of you who think Zac Robinson who is on a fast track to be an NFL head coach would even think about joining the shit show that is college football, you’re deluding yourself! It’s a terrible situation we’re in currently and I have no doubt we’re about to make it exponentially worse by making a.knee jerk decision!

Here's your sign

 

[MustangPokeFan]

Not sure how you could be worse than zero Big XII wins in a season, Mike Gundy is part of the reason our NIL suffers, his attitude towards donors and his ego that made him think that he can google coordinators and hire them to run his system on offense and defense has made the team completely unwatchable. This is not a knee jerk reaction we have been getting embarrassed since 2022.

I’m not arguing against or disputing anything you just said, just making the point that if you simply focus on replacing the coach without fixing the revenue issues, all you’re doing is making it worse! If you fix the revenue issues, it’s likely you won’t need to replace the coach, but if he’s still sucking when he has the resources that he needs to be successful in the NIL world, then you get rid of him. That’s all I’m saying. Also, we won 10 games and were in the Big 12 Title game in 2023 so you can’t really say 2022.

Most of the people commenting on here don’t remember how badly we sucked for decades, really for a century. I’ve been a Poke fanatic (and alum) since Brent Blackmon was quarterback in the early 70s. The last 20 years are by far light years better than anything else we’ve ever had in our schools existence. That has to be acknowledged and considered before you just go firing the coach to make yourself feel better when there are other bigger issues that need to be corrected.

 

[Iuwioepr]

I’m not arguing against or disputing anything you just said, just making the point that if you simply focus on replacing the coach without fixing the revenue issues, all you’re doing is making it worse! If you fix the revenue issues, it’s likely you won’t need to replace the coach, but if he’s still sucking when he has the resources that he needs to be successful in the NIL world, then you get rid of him. That’s all I’m saying. Also, we won 10 games and were in the Big 12 Title game in 2023 so you can’t really say 2022.

Most of the people commenting on here don’t remember how badly we sucked for decades, really for a century. I’ve been a Poke fanatic (and alum) since Brent Blackmon was quarterback in the early 70s. The last 20 years are by far light years better than anything else we’ve ever had in our schools existence. That has to be acknowledged and considered before you just go firing the coach to make yourself feel better when there are other bigger issues that need to be corrected.

I get your wanting to see what Gundy can do with resources, but if he drove away boosters and they won’t give if he is still around then he has hamstrung himself. I would consider giving what I can afford to our NIL collective, it’s not much, if he hadn’t basically told everyone he didn’t need it and could do without. Now he is complaining that no one is giving. It was a bit self fulfilling.

 

[MustangPokeFan]

I get your wanting to see what Gundy can do with resources, but if he drove away boosters and they won’t give if he is still around then he has hamstrung himself. I would consider giving what I can afford to our NIL collective, it’s not much, if he hadn’t basically told everyone he didn’t need it and could do without. Now he is complaining that no one is giving. It was a bit self fulfilling.

Yes, he is definitely partially culpable in the problem he is now facing. We already know what he can do when he has resources. When resources meant great facilities we were good to great year in and year out. Now facilities take a back seat to player pay and if we don’t have more than $7 million a year to pay players, we’re not going to be successful.

It’s really sad and unfortunate and the convergence of negative factors could not have been more of a perfect storm. Started by the conference realignment and departure of OU and Texas which on the surface seemed like a golden opportunity only to be turned on its head by COVID, NIL and the unregulated Portal. It was exacerbated by Gundy’s failure to realize NIL and the Portal are realities that aren’t going away and him being slow to adapt and then further degraded by the death of multiple key huge financial donors. It’s a nightmare that I have no answers for honestly. I don’t think we are going to be good at football again in the near future, whether it’s with Gundy or any other coach. I think we are looking at a football fate similar to the post-Eddie Sutton basketball situation which is approaching 20 years of irrelevance!

I hope I’m wrong but doubt very much that I am!

 

[DxCowboy]

I’m not arguing against or disputing anything you just said, just making the point that if you simply focus on replacing the coach without fixing the revenue issues, all you’re doing is making it worse! If you fix the revenue issues, it’s likely you won’t need to replace the coach, but if he’s still sucking when he has the resources that he needs to be successful in the NIL world, then you get rid of him. That’s all I’m saying. Also, we won 10 games and were in the Big 12 Title game in 2023 so you can’t really say 2022.

Most of the people commenting on here don’t remember how badly we sucked for decades, really for a century. I’ve been a Poke fanatic (and alum) since Brent Blackmon was quarterback in the early 70s. The last 20 years are by far light years better than anything else we’ve ever had in our schools existence. That has to be acknowledged and considered before you just go firing the coach to make yourself feel better when there are other bigger issues that need to be corrected.

I fully remember the past, believe me. Having said that, that argument could be used 5 years from now too. It also implies that the current guy is the only one who could sustain any level of success, and it’s patently untrue.

I’m firmly in the camp that the guy responsible for having vision to lead his program forward in a new landscape failed miserably. Don’t know how else you can look at it. He absolutely bears responsibility for us being behind the curve in terms of NIL. That’s why I find it incredibly hard to give him any grace when it comes to his comments on lack of NIL $$$.

He can talk about loyal & true all he wants, but Pepperidge farm hasn’t forgotten his own dalliances with other jobs. How loyal & true is it to bury his head in the sand while the entire universe around him was changing? We get an aw shucks, guess I was wrong guys from him.

 

[MustangPokeFan]

I fully remember the past, believe me. Having said that, that argument could be used 5 years from now too. It also implies that the current guy is the only one who could sustain any level of success, and it’s patently untrue.

I’m firmly in the camp that the guy responsible for having vision to lead his program forward in a new landscape failed miserably. Don’t know how else you can look at it. He absolutely bears responsibility for us being behind the curve in terms of NIL. That’s why I find it incredibly hard to give him any grace when it comes to his comments on lack of NIL $$$.

He can talk about loyal & true all he wants, but Pepperidge farm hasn’t forgotten his own dalliances with other jobs. How loyal & true is it to bury his head in the sand while the entire universe around him was changing? We get an aw shucks, guess I was wrong guys from him.

It’s a moot point, he’s getting fired. The only variable is whether he makes it to the end of the season before that happens. If we lose to Tulsa, I believe he’ll be gone the Monday after. Who knows, they’ll likely make Meachum the interim and maybe he’ll actually call his own plays?

 

[Chairman of the Board]

I'll always appreciate what Gundy has done for OSU football, but that doesn't give him a lifetime pass.

He obviously doesn't know how to fix the situation, or he would have. And part of the problem is his own ego.

A new, hopefully young coach will need to fundraise and bring back enthusiasm. It doesn't take much to get OSU fans excited. Gundy barely does that at all, and now no one would want to waste money on this disaster.

The longer we stay with Gundy, the bigger the hole we've allowed him to dig grows.

 

[CptnQuirk]

I’m not arguing against or disputing anything you just said, just making the point that if you simply focus on replacing the coach without fixing the revenue issues, all you’re doing is making it worse! If you fix the revenue issues, it’s likely you won’t need to replace the coach, but if he’s still sucking when he has the resources that he needs to be successful in the NIL world, then you get rid of him. That’s all I’m saying. Also, we won 10 games and were in the Big 12 Title game in 2023 so you can’t really say 2022.

Most of the people commenting on here don’t remember how badly we sucked for decades, really for a century. I’ve been a Poke fanatic (and alum) since Brent Blackmon was quarterback in the early 70s. The last 20 years are by far light years better than anything else we’ve ever had in our schools existence. That has to be acknowledged and considered before you just go firing the coach to make yourself feel better when there are other bigger issues that need to be corrected.

But do you remember Dick Graham and his dazzle dazzle swivel hips?

 

[SLVRBK]

It’s a moot point, he’s getting fired. The only variable is whether he makes it to the end of the season before that happens. If we lose to Tulsa, I believe he’ll be gone the Monday after. Who knows, they’ll likely make Meachum the interim and maybe he’ll actually call his own plays?

I agree with much of what you said in your posts.

Boone died 6 years ago, long before NIL changed the game. The other boosters were old, that’s why Boone tried the life insurance scheme. Part of Gundy’s job was to interact with and develop those up and coming boosters to replace those people and from everything I’ve heard/read Gundy despised that part of the job. Gundy was pushing back against Boone, once Boone was gone he really pushed back against Holder and once Holder was gone Gundy was the most powerfull figure in the university and wasn’t going to do anything he didn’t want to do. It’s not a 1-2 year problem, it’s a decade long problem. We have recent former players that will not have anything to do with the program because of him. If Mike stays, fully engages in what are the responsibilities of a modern football coach, I will support him fully however I believe it’s time for a change after 20 years with 1 man at the top who, I believe, sees himself as bigger than the program.

I thought Gundy should have taken the Tennessee job the 2nd time it was offered, I didn’t want him to leave but it was time. At the time I was using Steve Spurrier’s reasoning, a coach should only stay at one location for 10 years max because after that people start turning on you, your performance is never good enough and any slip has people calling for your job. Along with Spurrier I think about Bobby Bowden. In an interview Bowden made the statement that he had been at Florida State so long that he couldn’t leave due to the number of people who would lose their jobs if a new coach was hired. Secretaries, equipment staff, training staff, all the older former head coaches he hired as assistants because they were his friends. One of the best coaches in history was trapped in his job by his own success and longevity.

Change will likely be painful and bumpy and we may never achieve the same success but that was going to happen at some point regardless. Make the best hire we can, get boosters and fans engaged, stress the importance of donating to NIL and “let ‘er rip”!

 

[Kirby Smart's Haircut]

The delusion on this board is palpable. Especially with the younger fans that don’’t realize that this was a losing program prior to Gundy being our head coach. Through the 102 seasons prior to Gundy being our coach we had 464 wins, 488 losses and 48 ties or a .488 winning percentage. In other words we averaged a 4-7 season throughout our existence. The very reason we expect more and are spoiled with being a consistent Top 25 team year in and year out is largely because of Mike Gundy. Yes, Boone Pickens definitely helped with his financial donations, but those began after Mike Gundy started winning and gave him confidence that the program was worth investing in. Believe me, there’s things that Gundy does that make me want to smack him in the side of the head. He should just stop doing interviews with the press. However, there’s no doubt in my mind that Mike loves Oklahoma State and he used to love college football. I don’t think you can say the same thing about that last one any longer. I don’t think he’s having any fun at all coaching with one hand behind his back financially. Used to be you invested in facilities to attract players to come to your program. That no longer applies. The current reality is players play for the highest bidder and they have zero loyalty. Our main issue is not Mike Gundy, it is our lack of NIL revenue and the complete lack of regulation of the transfer portal. We’ve lost four of our top ten donors in the last five years, three of them were in the top five in Boone Pickens, Sherman Smith, Cecil O’Brate and just this year Bob Funk, who was our 10th rated donor. If those guys were still living we’d have an NIL budget more like Oregon. Unless we get an NIL budget about four times what we’re spending now, look forward to going back to that .488 average rate of success, regardless of who the head coach is. That is just a sad fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not! Replacing our most successful coach in history without fixing the NIL revenue issue first would be foolish. What decent coach would be crazy enough to come to a program with an insufficient NIL budget to be able to compete and who just fired their 21 year most successful coach in it’s history. Nobody worth a damn is the answer to that question! For those of you who think Zac Robinson who is on a fast track to be an NFL head coach would even think about joining the shit show that is college football, you’re deluding yourself! It’s a terrible situation we’re in currently and I have no doubt we’re about to make it exponentially worse by making a.knee jerk decision!

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[zone2poke]

I’m not arguing against or disputing anything you just said, just making the point that if you simply focus on replacing the coach without fixing the revenue issues, all you’re doing is making it worse! If you fix the revenue issues, it’s likely you won’t need to replace the coach, but if he’s still sucking when he has the resources that he needs to be successful in the NIL world, then you get rid of him. That’s all I’m saying. Also, we won 10 games and were in the Big 12 Title game in 2023 so you can’t really say 2022.

Most of the people commenting on here don’t remember how badly we sucked for decades, really for a century. I’ve been a Poke fanatic (and alum) since Brent Blackmon was quarterback in the early 70s. The last 20 years are by far light years better than anything else we’ve ever had in our schools existence. That has to be acknowledged and considered before you just go firing the coach to make yourself feel better when there are other bigger issues that need to be corrected.

Mike is a big part of the NIL problem

Plus he mouths off in someone else's house and gets us beat by 65 points.

 

[DxCowboy]

Mike is a big part of the NIL problem

Plus he mouths off in someone else's house and gets us beat by 65 points.

To quote Gavin ‘it takes a lot of balls’ to be the leader of a program and totally fail to adapt when your entire industry is fundamentally changing, then bitch about the fact that you’re behind the curve.