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Coco Cincinnati
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The reason I don't gamble is because i am so often wrong but I don't see the Texas game vs the other OSU even being competitive.
Tend to agree, tOSU is, well, looking like a $20 million team right now. One of the most loaded teams on offense I recall.
That being said, if UT brings their A game, I think they’ll hang with them in Dallas. Ewers is always a question mark to me still. As good as he can be, he still struggles with consistency. I’ll be curious to see if there’s more of an Arch element in the game plan. I could see that being a wrinkle that Sark throws out there.
So that would have given us:
Ohio State/Oregon in a rematch at Autzen. Seems fitting for the number 1 seed, change the outcome though?
Texas at ASU - changes the outcome, certainly possible
Notre Dame at Georgia - I think highly likely difference in outcome
Penn State at Boise - probably no change
The seeding itself (and forcing teams in just cause) and byes that result in the top 4 sitting around for 3 weeks need a lot of work.
That said, the existing system sucks. All five conference champions are out. So all we’re doing is crown the best 3 game tournament team not the best team from the year. After decades of the regular season mattering, suddenly it really doesn’t especially if you’re one of the auto pics from the big two.
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It’s real. The 3rd string QB Baron May is credited with the TD pass, not the punter.
mugatu
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If they are trying to find and crown the best team then I really think conferences should have to play full round robin (obviously requires smaller conferences), take the best two to play against each other again in conf title game and then all conferences champs go to playoff. Will push conferences to be more long term even and makes the regular season matter. Can't be the best in the country if you aren't the best in your conference.
As is, we have no idea what conferences are good or bad because of the tiny sample size of games between and pseudo random relative position in conference between those teams (eg., number 2 in conf A beats number 9 in conf B).
I think they’d have to list him as that number on the roster before the game
The auto byes need to go. Move to 16 and have everyone play every week and assign the teams true seeds-not tyBiise at 3 BS.
Disagree on the last paragraph. If the division winners lose in the divisional round of the nfl playoffs and the wildcards are playing in the conference championship games, it doesn’t mean the format sucks and the regular season meant nothing. It means the wildcard teams went on the road and won. The division winners and college conference champions are likely only slightly better anyway, so I don’t see them being knocked out as some big deal. UGA doesn’t even have their QB, and they needed OT to beat Texas.
I think it needs tweaking for true seeding, but I think it’s miles beyond anything we’ve had. Any playoff format you can name is always going to have the element of who’s hottest, and probably healthiest as part of the equation.
AgronomyPoke
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I don't have an issue with the auto bye's for winning your conference, just need to adjust the bracket after first round games to reflect rankings. I would be cool with 16 also but you would likely have to start earlier in the season. While making changes, get rid of rankings until November!
Why would you have to start earlier in the season? You would have 8 games the first weekend instead of 4. The second weekend would have 4 games just as it is now.
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Poke Skywalker
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Don’t think they will, but I hope they keep the bye for conference champions or seed them higher in a 16 team scenario. If they start going by rankings it will absolutely stack the deck for the SEC. Rankings are subjective. There’s no real way to know how a conference stacks up until they play each other. We’d have 9-3 SEC teams ranked over 11-1 B12 teams all because the “eye test” not considering those eyes are bias looking through Paul Finnbaum’s glasses.
The assumption all year, and most years, and what was baked into the rankings, was that the SEC was loaded, B10 was pretty good, ACC was solid, and B12 wasn’t very good. Based on what we’ve seen play out though, the B10 is the best conference, SEC was very mediocre across the board, B12 was better than everybody thought with a lot of parity, and ACC wasn’t good at all. BYU probably should have been in the playoff but wasn’t even part of the conversation due to conference assumptions.
The assumption all year, and most years, and what was baked into the rankings, was that the SEC was loaded, B10 was pretty good, ACC was solid, and B12 wasn’t very good. Based on what we’ve seen play out though, the B10 is the best conference, SEC was very mediocre across the board, B12 was better than everybody thought with a lot of parity, and ACC wasn’t good at all. BYU probably should have been in the playoff but wasn’t even part of the conversation due to conference assumptions.
Yet this the exact format that has made March Madness a billion dollar industry. A single elimination tournament is no way to determine the "best team from the year,," but it keeps several dozen bball teams or 15-20 football teams and fan bases involved right up to the end of the season. Most fans don't want the best team to win, they want their favorite team to get a shot at the title. And a very slim chance is far better than no chance at all - which is what we got in 2011, even though we may have BEEN the best team.
We were a conference champion. Bama didn’t win their division.
For decades winning your conference mattered. The regular season was a de facto 12 week playoff, every game mattered. Now it doesn’t matter.
6-8 teams are already in at the beginning of the year “just cause.”
All true, except when it was a 2-team or 4-team playoff ALL the participants were coming from those 6-8 teams. At least now, even with the huge built-in biases, there are 4-6 spots available to those who weren't legitimately considered in past years.
I remember when the ncaa bball tournament was only conference champions (16, maybe?). Then they decided to allow some at-large teams. Thanks to the ACC, conferences realized they could designate their auto-bid to a postseason tournament champion, for all intents and purposes still guaranteeing the regular season champion a bid AND making millions of extra dollars from said postseason tournament. This new reality kept dozens of teams and thousands of fans engaged, knowing their guys could catch fire for 3 days and make the big dance.
For years I predicted a similar increase for football if they expanded a playoff to 12, 16 or more teams. Does it kill the regular season? I say no, because you're still barely talking about 10-15% of all D1 teams making the playoffs. That's not a ton of room for errors in the regular season.
PokeJ
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Yep. The most boring tourney ever. UCLA dominated. When they gave everyone a chance the talent eventually filtered down to other teams. Didnt happen over night. It will eventually happen in football if they give it a chance
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I’ll say again that yes, it needs some tweaking but I don’t see how anyone can argue that it’s not better than what we’ve had. I mean in year ONE of the format you have 3 northern teams in the final four. You had 3 SE teams several years in the 4 team format for god’s sakes.
When you stack the deck every year with 50% of the teams in a 4 team field, nobody’s really surprised that that conference wins it more.
It comes down to preseason rankings. When you start out highly ranked you have to lose more than three games to become irrelevant if you are in the SEC or B1G. Apparently if you are in any other conference then losing 2 will probably screw you unless you win the conference.
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