Georgia Poke
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Chadwell is making $4 mil at Liberty. He left the East Coast once, and that was for a year. The bigger stage might be enough to entice him.
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It highly unlikely that Gundy gets fired. There is a much greater chance that we could actually see changes on offense, whether by Gundy waking up or by him being forced to like with Holgy.
I'd be fine with MG eating some humble pie and bringing in a new O. I'd like to keep continuity on D and see what Nardo can do in year 2.
We still have a season to play in the mean time. Beat ISU!
I'd be fine with MG eating some humble pie and bringing in a new O. I'd like to keep continuity on D and see what Nardo can do in year 2.
We still have a season to play in the mean time. Beat ISU!
"Right candidate" is the trick. The perfect blend of good coaching, availability, salary range, and desire to be at OSU will be tough, and I do worry we'll struggle to find it. I'm surprised that so few people are supportive of looking outside college football for good coaches. There's nothing magical about the college level that makes it way different than the bigger HS in the country, especially compared to our current "culture". Even more so when you consider NIL is impacting that level as well, and recruiting that level is (should be) a big part of building a college program.
I'd be open to good coaches that want to be at OSU that we can afford, and I think those priorities could allow alternative routes for finding someone, including HS.
Georgia Poke
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Please provide a list of high school coaches who have been successful as head coaches when making the jump directly from high school to FBS head coach.
Here's a good starting point.
Point is; it can be done. Good coaches are good coaches, and it shouldn't be ruled out.
Georgia Poke
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I asked about coaches who went directly from high school to P5 head coaching jobs. None of the people in that article did so. They all either spent time as assistants or in other divisions of college football.
What you asked was a gotcha question. I gave you the closest examples I could find to address your position. Do you think coaching WR or being an OC for a couple seasons made Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Bill Snyder, or Butch Davis suddenly amazing? No, it didn't. Coaching is coaching, and good coaches are rare. I'd just like us to hire the best coach we can afford, and I think it should be valid to open that up to various levels.
You disagree, and that's fine. We can leave it there if you'd like.
Georgia Poke
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OKay, but you suggested hiring a high school coach as head coach. I'm just asking for examples of when that worked.
I have no examples, and I don't think its an ultra meaningful metric. I really don't care if someone jumps through the standard hoops. I just want a good coach. Just because someone hasn't done it doesn't preclude it from being a potential avenue to success.
Sorry to jump in but to answer your question, yes! Absolutely, yes. Nick Saban was a college assistant coach for 20 years before he got a shot a Michigan St. There he was only marginally successful, then he went to LSU where he was better before ending up at Bama and what he is now.
Urban Meyer was a college assistant for 13 years before Bowling Green, then Utah....
So yes, absolutely, being a college assistant is crucial to developing into a head coach.
Georgia Poke
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The only example that I can think of that is on par with what you are suggesting is Gerry Faust.
Disagree. Paying two head coaches premier money is different than paying for one. Buying out Gundy would mean probably giving him $4-$5 million a year to sit for 4-5 yrs and pay a new HC somewhere between $4-$8 million per yr (honestly, I doubt we could hire anyone for less than $5 million a yr in this market - we pay Gundy $7.5 million).
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The last time I recall this idea happening was when North Texas tried this with Todd Dodge who won 4 Texas 5A titles at Southlake and it was an utter failure. He went 6-37. There is so much more to running a major college football program, which UNT is and OSU is an even bigger program on a much bigger stage.
It is also an entire misunderstanding OSU's place in the college football world and suggests we are somewhere between UCO and North Texas.
We pay our head football coach $7.5 million a year. We are capable of spending a $1 million on coordinators. We do not need to settle for an unknown coach anymore. We are not a poverty program who has to get an FCS coach or a G5 assistant or a freaking high school coach.
We can absolutely throw $8 million a year at the right candidate and that isn't a anyone you're talking about. We don't need the best bang for our buck, we need our the best candidate for our situation and our situation is able to pay plenty of money.
We're aren't Alabama or Georgia, but holy crap guys, have some respect for your institution.
I get it. I'm hopeful we could get a great coach from the college ranks, but getting the right fit in Stillwater isn't super easy, especially if you want them to stay a while.
MustangPokeFan
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If staying awhile is your barometer then you should take the position of retaining Coach Gundy. All of the most successful assistants that we’ve had left for other jobs, because they were great and in high demand. That’s the kind of head coach we need. If one comes in for a few years and elevates the program to the point other schools want him, it will cause another great coaching candidate to want to come in and do the same. Changing coaches every few years is not necessarily bad as long as the ones you hire are really good coaches. If you want someone to stay forever at OSU, then you’re going to get what you have right now.
Georgia Poke
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I keep seeing people here stating that OSU can't afford Gundy's buyout hence my "if".
I never said longevity is the only priority. Its one metric that I would prioritize to some extent if possible. None of these metrics are in a vacuum. All are related. It would be nice to find a good coach we could afford with ties to the area that we could keep for a while. Maybe that's an alum. Maybe that's a great HS coach. Maybe that's a coordinator or coach at a current G5 school. I don't know. I just know that nearly anyone could do better than HC Cruise Control.
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The contracts of college coaches reflects the amount of money involved in college football.
Coach Gundy has had a track record of seventeen winning seasons in a row. This year might end that streak.
The experiences of Texas, Texas A &M and Nebraska with coaching changes makes me want to stay with Coach Gundy.
Coach Gundy has had a track record of seventeen winning seasons in a row. This year might end that streak.
The experiences of Texas, Texas A &M and Nebraska with coaching changes makes me want to stay with Coach Gundy.
That's like saying if you are on a plane losing 10,000 feet of altitude per minute and flying straight into the ground you'd be just fine with the pilot.
