Gundy Not in Trouble….restructuring

EdmondPoke said:
If Gundy has actually coached his last game here, then I'll be sad. I'll be sad for how it ended after he has been the face of this program for the past 20 years. I'll be sad that it was 90% his fault. I'll be sad that he fell victim to his own ego. If he was done, he could've and should've gone out on his own terms. Instead, we all suffered through this season- his name, Dunn's, and Bowman's all dragged through the mud. Who knows what this season did to Nardo's career. It likely cost Gordon a first round selection, which is millions of dollars he's lost out on. It sucks that it had to play out like this.

It's also surprising just how many OSU fans think that losing Gundy will set our program back. We can achieve the same level of success without Gundy as we did with him, if not more. Where Gundy has been a great coach, he's been a collosal disappointment in some key areas. He has 1 CCG win. A losing record against our rival. Declining results on the field over the past 7 years when compared to the 10 years prior. Declining results on the recruiting trail. We'll never know how much of our success was Gundy and how much of that was other factors, such as hundreds of millions of dollars coming into the program. Certainly, he won't be easy to replace, but it's not an impossibility. Let's see what someone new can do. Someone who has the fire to coach and build their legacy instead of someone who's been coasting on theirs. I don't know what the results will be, but I can assure you that it can't be much worse than going 3-9 and 0-9 in conference after returning a roster that had played 90% of the snaps from a 10 win season the year prior.
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Great sentiment and agree with every point. Thank you.
 
When the season started to go south, I thought if we would lost the rest, it would force some changes in the program with respect to assistants, recruiting, and NIL. Didn’t think it would get to potentially firing Gundy. But, if Gundy is not willing to get with the program on what big time college football is today (i.e., semi pro), then time for a change there too. Multiple tenured coaches have retired recently for that very reason in football and mens basketball.
 
Georgia Poke said:
LOL. Yeah, at LSU Miles rode Saban's momentum to a championship and then started on a downward spiral.

MIles also sexually harassed students.
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I'm not calling for the return of Miles. The point is the right coach can turn things around as Les did here. You are probably not old enough to remember the culture of Cowboy football before Miles and Gundy, or Lewis field, or 0-10-1
 
zone2poke said:
Well said. 19 years and 1 Big XII championship. One.

It is a most depressing prospect that we'll have another decade of consistency -- i.e., the average guy's hall of fame.

Let's roll the dice. Yes, it's possible that we'll get a coach with worse results. It may be that Gundawg is the best this University's football team can do. But it's also possible that we'll get a coach who lives and breathes winning and can take us to the promised land. Chad has already shown he can find great coaching. So I'm ready for a new era. I for one am sick of consistency.
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At some point he deserves some credit for taking a perennial lose in to a mostly perennial contender. If he was similar to how boynton was off the court this wouldn’t even be a conversation. It has nothing to do with 3-9, it has to do with being a jerk. Osu doesn’t have 25 mil, they don’t have cause (if they had either they would have just fired him), but they do look like complete morons at the end of this, no matter how it turns out. And that’s awful moving forward.
 
This is legitimately an honest question. Who are the schools that have fired a long term successful coach and brought in someone who has been equally or more successful. Lsu after miles maybe. But I can also think of Nebraska after sollich or pelini, Texas A&M after slocum, usc after Carroll, auburn after malzahn, tech after leach, Tennessee after fulmer, it’s taken Texas a decade to get back. It’s much easier to find where it didn’t work. I get there’s a time when you have to move on. But these teams with all of the money in the world can’t get it right and I’m supposed to believe osu will.
 
Edmondcowboy said:
This is legitimately an honest question. Who are the schools that have fired a long term successful coach and brought in someone who has been equally or more successful. Lsu after miles maybe. But I can also think of Nebraska after sollich or pelini, Texas A&M after slocum, usc after Carroll, auburn after malzahn, tech after leach, Tennessee after fulmer, it’s taken Texas a decade to get back. It’s much easier to find where it didn’t work. I get there’s a time when you have to move on. But these teams with all of the money in the world can’t get it right and I’m supposed to believe osu will.
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Ohio State after Tressel. Jimbo Fisher after Bowden. Kirby Smart after Mark Richt. LSU won with Miles and Oregeron post Saban.
 
Kevpokes said:
Ohio State after Tressel. Jimbo Fisher after Bowden. Kirby Smart after Mark Richt. LSU won with Miles and Oregeron post Saban.
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Oklahoma was pretty good after stoops. Oregon has been able to reload in the coaching department. Michigan, Washington have done well with multiple coaches during Gundy’s tenure.
 
Chairman of the Board said:
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Hope this is the case. You don’t deserve a $7.5 million salary when your team finished the worst in the big 12. Now that money can be reallocated to improve operations (bigger recruiting budget, more money to attract better coordinators). Hopefully it’s more incentive based. He would absolutely deserve $7.5 million if we win the big 12 and make it to the playoff, but he should only be worth $4 million at best if a year goes like this. He’s a good coach, but not a great coach. Championships raise your programs profile and he just doesn’t have it in him to pull it off. I understand the allure of consistency, but I’d much rather have 3 more big 12 championships if it meant we had 3 more losing seasons.
 
Getting the NIL figured out is step #1.
If it's true we were dead last in NIL money this season, then we got exactly what we paid for.
If it's also true that a portion of Gundys salary, Turnpike Troubadour, and PayCom Money is going to NIL then we'll be near the top of the conference and the wins should follow.
 
Edmondcowboy said:
This is legitimately an honest question. Who are the schools that have fired a long term successful coach and brought in someone who has been equally or more successful. Lsu after miles maybe. But I can also think of Nebraska after sollich or pelini, Texas A&M after slocum, usc after Carroll, auburn after malzahn, tech after leach, Tennessee after fulmer, it’s taken Texas a decade to get back. It’s much easier to find where it didn’t work. I get there’s a time when you have to move on. But these teams with all of the money in the world can’t get it right and I’m supposed to believe osu will.
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Actually nearly 2 decades for Texas to get back. But perfect point, we need to throw Gundy’s reduced salary at Zac Robinson (2 mill?) and get a good DC as well. Get the team back to relevancy, win the Big 12 Title, go to the playoffs, Gundy retire and get his statue and Zac take over. Yes, it’s a pipe dream but it’s my pipe dream and a person can hope….lol


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