Ukraine. Ukraine. Ukraine.

[GOGETUMPOKE]

Nothing about anything that’s happened should give you confidence someone at the DOD knows what they are doing. Two wars have broken out and we have done nothing but throw money at them. And if someone or some group is making these calls and not the pres then we should all be scared because we didn’t vote for them.

The Military Industrial Complex seems to want to make sure they get World War 3 going before my father has a chance to create peace and save lives.
Gotta lock in those $Trillions.
Life be damned!!! Imbeciles! https://t.co/ZzfwnhBxRh

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) November 17, 2024

 

[steross]

There is no evidence that Ukraine is stop one on a broader invasion. The restraint Russia has shown for 3 years points strongly to the contrary. They have the weapons and the army to roll over Ukraine in no time. If this were to set up ww3 they sure have spent a lot of resources they didn’t have to before moving on. All the if we don’t send a trillion worth of weapons he will be in Poland tomorrow stuff is pure speculation. Nothing is relatively cheap when you are 36T in debt.

We can fuss about that all day. You’re right I’m right doesn’t matter…..

At this point after essentially no diplomatic success in a theee years of war for a President with 69 days left in his term that the entire world knows is too senile to function to escalate this in any way is world class stupid. No one should be for this.

Well, other than Russian generals saying so.... https://rideemcowboys.com/threads/ukraine-ukraine-ukraine.536/post-111082

And, are you trying to say that Russia is bogged down in a war for three years and all the brand-new troops they have been pulling in and getting killed are just to save the real war machine and they could just roll Ukraine any day? Why, if that is the case, did they try to roll over Ukraine at the beginning then pull back? Just changed their mind at that point and decided they liked WW1 style trench warfare better than just getting it overwith? That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[steross]

Yeah we have too

Since you are trying to equate us to a dictator, why don't you detail the current situations of the countries we "invaded" vs the ones that Putin invaded.

 

[CowboyJD]

There is no evidence that Ukraine is stop one on a broader invasion. The restraint Russia has shown for 3 years points strongly to the contrary. They have the weapons and the army to roll over Ukraine in no time. If this were to set up ww3 they sure have spent a lot of resources they didn’t have to before moving on. All the if we don’t send a trillion worth of weapons he will be in Poland tomorrow stuff is pure speculation. Nothing is relatively cheap when you are 36T in debt.

We can fuss about that all day. You’re right I’m right doesn’t matter…..

At this point after essentially no diplomatic success in a theee years of war for a President with 69 days left in his term that the entire world knows is too senile to function to escalate this in any way is world class stupid. No one should be for this.

You sound a whole lot like Neville Chamberlain.

 

[CowboyJD]

Yeah we have too

Full Donny right here.

Never go full Donny.

 

[mugatu]

Well that’s where Donny and I may find some common ground on this. We have been balking it.

Yes, I agree. We need to get off our a$$es, support and be the superpower, not act like we are scared like we have been. I haven't been happy with how we've handled things. But I welcome correcting that approach whenever it happens.

 

[CowboyJD]

Why now? They’ve done nothing but throw money at it. No one wants him in office. He doesn’t meet with his cabinet and when he does his wife runs it. Why do this now when his time is over. And it didn’t matter who won his time is over

I think I would really enjoy having a beer and talking about the complexity of this and where we agree and disagree. But this now from him is stupid. Just go away Joe.

That’s a no.

You can’t draw a red line on Russian expansion.

 

[Donnyboy]

Since you are trying to equate us to a dictator, why don't you detail the current situations of the countries we "invaded" vs the ones that Putin invaded.

We invaded Iraq based on a lie we told the entire world. We had other nations join us in a war based 100% on a lie. Being critical of that is not a Putin endorsement. And you know that. We have funded and started conflicts all over the globe and it hasn’t helped out the good Ol USA.

 

[Donnyboy]

Yes, I agree. We need to get off our a$$es, support and be the superpower, not act like we are scared like we have been. I haven't been happy with how we've handled things. But I welcome correcting that approach whenever it happens.

You would make a great 1950s republican

 

[mugatu]

Nothing about anything that’s happened should give you confidence someone at the DOD knows what they are doing. Two wars have broken out and we have done nothing but throw money at them. And if someone or some group is making these calls and not the pres then we should all be scared because we didn’t vote for them.

I'm sure it'll ne much better when Trump fires every experienced Flag officer we have because they serve the constitution vs his whims. That'll do wonders for our abilities.

The other option is troops in conflict. I'm confused now, is that what you want. We are supporting allies without being directly involved.

You really are an isolationist. The world is connected, things happening in other countries impacts us. We have sway and the ability to support, we should use it.

 

[Bowers3]

We invaded Iraq based on a lie we told the entire world. We had other nations join us in a war based 100% on a lie. Being critical of that is not a Putin endorsement. And you know that. We have funded and started conflicts all over the globe and it hasn’t helped out the good Ol USA.

Sure. But in a discussion about a war Russia started and what our and the world’s response should be it’s just weird to bring up.

 

[steross]

We invaded Iraq based on a lie we told the entire world. We had other nations join us in a war based 100% on a lie. Being critical of that is not a Putin endorsement. And you know that. We have funded and started conflicts all over the globe and it hasn’t helped out the good Ol USA.

That isn't today Donny. That is the history.

Today, we have taken over Iraq and are using all their oil for ourselves. And we are pulling Iraqi soldiers in to fight our wars. And, we are making sure their "leader" answers to our president, not their people. Right?

If those things are not correct today, then you are still trying to equate completely different things.

 

[cowboyinexile]

Nothing about anything that’s happened should give you confidence someone at the DOD knows what they are doing. Two wars have broken out and we have done nothing but throw money at them. And if someone or some group is making these calls and not the pres then we should all be scared because we didn’t vote for them.

What would you consider a success in Ukraine?

 

[cowboyinexile]

We invaded Iraq based on a lie we told the entire world. We had other nations join us in a war based 100% on a lie. Being critical of that is not a Putin endorsement. And you know that. We have funded and started conflicts all over the globe and it hasn’t helped out the good Ol USA.

 

[Donnyboy]

That isn't today Donny. That is the history.

Today, we have taken over Iraq and are using all their oil for ourselves. And we are pulling Iraqi soldiers in to fight our wars. And, we are making sure their "leader" answers to our president, not their people. Right?

If those things are not correct today, then you are still trying to equate completely different things.

Wait so we are running Iraq? So we took it over?

 

[mugatu]

You would make a great 1950s republican

Yes, thank you. I like Ike and I was a staunch 1990s Republican.

I watched the wall fall (interrupted me watching Smurfs) as a kid. We won, they lost. We need to keep it that way.

Projecting power and not acting scared keeps bullies off your block.

 

[mugatu]

Wait so we are running Iraq? So we took it over?

You missed his last sentence didn't you? Its not true and therefore doesn't apply to this conversation.

If those things are not correct today, then you are still trying to equate completely different things.

 

[Bowers3]

Wait so we are running Iraq? So we took it over?

Ope. You’re almost there.

 

[steross]

Wait so we are running Iraq? So we took it over?

Putin would have. That is the point.

 

[mugatu]

Putin would have. That is the point.

This. We didn't take their land. I don't like the invasion but we never planned on taking their country, we removed a dictator and then tried to give the country to their people.