Trump 2024 Run Thread

[SanditeCowboy]

Civil discourse...

Heh, you don't want to hear his opinion. You wanna hear your opinion coming out of his mouth (or fingers I guess in this case).

Has it occurred to you that maybe the reason Trump was convicted is because he did a bunch of illegal stuff and got caught? And if we are being completely honest a big reason this whole thing blew up was because he went back on his word about paying people off in the first place. That's who he is and it came back to bite him this time. The media circus surrounding it is definitely political. Duh-he's a flipping Presidential candidate. But at the end of the day a jury of his peers said he committed multiple crimes. There is nothing unusual about the legal system convicting someone of illegal activity when they did something illegal.

Nothing unusual? When has this happened in our history to make it usual? It hasn’t. The people that are supporting this are skirting this issue. And think about the long term implications this could have on our republic. It has not happened for a reason. It is great now because it is the guy you hate.

I do not like any of our current day politicians. They are all immoral and unethical to a degree because they manage our country based on big money donor preferences, not what’s best for our country. Neither Biden nor Trump would be my first choice to vote for president. However, I am not so caught up in my disdain for them that I cannot see the unprecedented, irreparable harm that is being done to the judicial system as a result. And his supporters fall in line because it is “their guy” against the guy they hate. This is the tribalism I referenced in my initial post.

What happens if Trump gets reelected and local states begin to prosecute Biden and his son for their business dealings over seas? Will that be ok? That is where this leads us. Resulting in presidents avenging political opponents instead of running the country.


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[mugatu]

Nothing unusual? When has this happened in our history to make it usual? It hasn’t.

What other president has been braking laws leading up to and during his term? It hasn't happened before because there's been no need.

What happens if Trump gets reelected and local states begin to prosecute Biden and his son for their business dealings over seas? Will that be ok? That is where this leads us.

Absolutely. If they brake the law they go to court.

Resulting in presidents avenging political opponents instead of running the country.

President's don't charge people. They can pardon for federal crimes but not charge. Grand jury brings the charges if warranted and if prosecutor is willing to attempt. Again Biden had nothing to do with these STATE CHARGES.

 

[SanditeCowboy]

I´m pretty sure you are just like all the MAGAś and just putting your head in the sand, but here it goes:

what law? in a nutshell; falsifying documents to cover up payments made to porn star to silence her in order to help him in presidential election of 2016...explain how the dems changed the law? and your next two questions seem to say that others do this, why not attack them? I can´t answer that, but it´s like getting a speeding ticket while others are speeding too or getting audited and others don´t or etc.
it´s a wonderful idea to prosecute former presidents if they break the law (no one should be above the law)


¨ The Trump verdict is a triumph for the rule of law. The core of the rule of law is that no one — not even a president or a former president — is above the law. Donald Trump repeatedly tried to argue that he was above the law in this case, as well as others.

When the grand jury in this case subpoenaed his financial records, he took the case to the Supreme Court, arguing that as president he did not have to provide the information. The Supreme Court ruled against him. He argued to this court that he could not be prosecuted in New York State Court because he took the actions — writing the checks and falsifying the business records — when he was president.

The court rightly rejected this, and the case was tried before a jury. Donald Trump was convicted on all counts because the evidence was overwhelming that he authorized payment of hush money to Stormy Daniels, illegally concealed it as business records, and did so to help his campaign. The legal system worked as it is supposed to with a fair trial before a conscientious judge. The rule of law was upheld.¨

— Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law and preeminent constitutional scholar

Again, name calling when you have no idea what my political views are, proving my tribalism point once again.

Thanks for citing one opinion and somewhat answering one of my questions. Again, why now? Why wasn’t this prosecuted during his first campaign?

I agree with your statement that they all should be held accountable if they broke laws. I also acknowledge that is a naive view with a president or former president because of the impact it could have on the country and what it could ultimately lead to. I understand why this has not happened previously.

So now it is open season to go after Hillary, Obama and Biden (probably Bush) for having classified documents in their possession they shouldn’t have? Clinton for Watergate? All of the above for misuse of campaign funds (they all have done it). Where does it end?

How about instead of this we have the president and congress focus on balancing our national budget (I believe that is a law). Focus on getting us out of the TRILLIONS of dollars of debt that is undermining our national security. Instead they (I’m talking both sides of the isle here) have us arguing over payments to a pornstar.


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[milehighpoke]

Trumps ego is his downfall. He could have stayed a tv celebrity and probably skirted all of this. Instead he decided to shine the most powerful spotlight ever on himself. Turn the lights on and the roaches come out. What a fool.

 

[SanditeCowboy]

What other president has been braking laws leading up to and during his term? It hasn't happened before because there's been no need.


Absolutely. If they brake the law they go to court.


President's do charge people. They can pardon for federal crimes but not charge. Grand jury brings the charges if warranted and if prosecutor is willing to attempt. Again Biden had nothing to do with these STATE CHARGES.

Very naive perspective. This was politically motivated.


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[mugatu]

Again, name calling when you have no idea what my political views are, proving my tribalism point once again.

Thanks for citing one opinion and somewhat answering one of my questions. Again, why now? Why wasn’t this prosecuted during his first campaign?

I agree with your statement that they all should be held accountable if they broke laws. I also acknowledge that is a naive view with a president or former president because of the impact it could have on the country and what it could ultimately lead to. I understand why this has not happened previously.

So now it is open season to go after Hillary, Obama and Biden (probably Bush) for having classified documents in their possession they shouldn’t have? Clinton for Watergate? All of the above for misuse of campaign funds (they all have done it). Where does it end?

How about instead of this we have the president and congress focus on balancing our national budget (I believe that is a law). Focus on getting us out of the TRILLIONS of dollars of debt that is undermining our national security. Instead they (I’m talking both sides of the isle here) have us arguing over payments to a pornstar.


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It occurred during his first campaign and while in office. Can't prosecute what hasn't happened. Then apparently states can't bring charges to a sitting president so he was safe until Jan 2020. Then things take time and he delays. The indictment was Mar of last year.

 

[mugatu]

Very naive perspective. This was politically motivated.


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Very easy thing to claim. Where's the evidence of that? Any evidence of Biden pressuring the DA to indict?

I mean we have evidence of Trump pressuring state politicians to do things but haven't seen similar from Biden on this.

 

[cowboyinexile]

Nothing unusual? When has this happened in our history to make it usual? It hasn’t. The people that are supporting this are skirting this issue. And think about the long term implications this could have on our republic. It has not happened for a reason. It is great now because it is the guy you hate.

I do not like any of our current day politicians. They are all immoral and unethical to a degree because they manage our country based on big money donor preferences, not what’s best for our country. Neither Biden nor Trump would be my first choice to vote for president. However, I am not so caught up in my disdain for them that I cannot see the unprecedented, irreparable harm that is being done to the judicial system as a result. And his supporters fall in line because it is “their guy” against the guy they hate. This is the tribalism I referenced in my initial post.

What happens if Trump gets reelected and local states begin to prosecute Biden and his son for their business dealings over seas? Will that be ok? That is where this leads us. Resulting in presidents avenging political opponents instead of running the country.


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1. If you feel this way, where were you when "Lock her up!" was a political slogan?

2. He was accused of a crime, a grand jury saw fit that he needed to be prosecuted, and a jury of his peers found him guilty. This happens every day in our legal system. The only thing special about it is his last name and the letter in front of his first name. I'm guessing if he never ran for President and was convicted of something related to his business dealings and not his political aspirations there would be a ton of people crying about this who would be happy a rich New Yorker got his.

3. If Biden potentially a state law and due process is followed, well the state has a duty there. Because no one is above the law.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

... and they just dig deeper to show feelty to him. A con man, rapist and now convicted felon. That's their guy... and they'd do literally anything for him. How did we get here as a country?

We elected a black man in 2008.

 

[SanditeCowboy]

1. If you feel this way, where were you when "Lock her up!" was a political slogan?

2. He was accused of a crime, a grand jury saw fit that he needed to be prosecuted, and a jury of his peers found him guilty. This happens every day in our legal system. The only thing special about it is his last name and the letter in front of his first name. I'm guessing if he never ran for President and was convicted of something related to his business dealings and not his political aspirations there would be a ton of people crying about this who would be happy a rich New Yorker got his.

3. If Biden potentially a state law and due process is followed, well the state has a duty there. Because no one is above the law.

Did Trump or any of his surrogates charge her? By your standard they should have. Then half of the population would have lost their collective minds.


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[mugatu]

We elected a black man in 2008.

True... sadly our country is still pretty racist

 

[GratefulPoke]

I'm gonna mostly stay out of this, but I have one thing to say as it is a pet peeve of mine: Please don't say your libertarian if you are maga. Libertarianism is diametrically opposed to authoritarianism (real initiative supported by the Heritage Foundation). Even with the alt-right adjacent Mises caucus currently running the party, Trump only got 6 out of 800+ votes or less than 1% at our convention and a motion to tell him to f**k himself (direct quote from delegate's motion).

Chase Oliver is the libertarian nominee and he is a good candidate.

 

[Pokey]

We elected a black man in 2008.

FIFY we elected an uppity black man in 2008. Sarcasm kinda

 

[Pokey]

Did Trump or any of his surrogates charge her? By your standard they should have. Then half of the population would have lost their collective minds.


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I convinced half of our population HAS lost their collective minds by backing this FELON.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Nothing unusual? When has this happened in our history to make it usual? It hasn’t. The people that are supporting this are skirting this issue. And think about the long term implications this could have on our republic. It has not happened for a reason. It is great now because it is the guy you hate.

I do not like any of our current day politicians. They are all immoral and unethical to a degree because they manage our country based on big money donor preferences, not what’s best for our country. Neither Biden nor Trump would be my first choice to vote for president. However, I am not so caught up in my disdain for them that I cannot see the unprecedented, irreparable harm that is being done to the judicial system as a result. And his supporters fall in line because it is “their guy” against the guy they hate. This is the tribalism I referenced in my initial post.

What happens if Trump gets reelected and local states begin to prosecute Biden and his son for their business dealings over seas? Will that be ok? That is where this leads us. Resulting in presidents avenging political opponents instead of running the country.


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You bring up a lot of key points that deserve some looking into. I’ll list a few then suggest using the google machine.

1)what specific law did Trump break
2)was that law changed specifically to target Trump
3) I add can you change a law and then charge some one for acts before the law was changed.
4) Why wasn’t Clinton charged for perjury (he was by US house) but not convicted by us senate. Same as Trump twice.
5) why wasn’t Obama charged for killing civilians in drone stikes
6) can us presidents be charged w crimes while in office
7) can us citizens be charged by states for crimes committed overseas

These are just a few questions you can go outside of Fox cnn and find answers. Brietbart blaze and msnbc are not reputable sources so don’t use them either.

 

[Pokey]

I'm gonna mostly stay out of this, but I have one thing to say as it is a pet peeve of mine: Please don't say your libertarian if you are maga. Libertarianism is diametrically opposed to authoritarianism. Even with the alt-right adjacent Mises caucus currently running the party, Trump only got 6 out of 800+ votes or less than 1% at our convention and a motion to tell him to f**k himself (direct quote from delegate's motion).

Chase Oliver is the libertarian nominee and he is a good candidate.

Who will he take votes from in your opinion? Sorry but he ain’t going to be President.

 

[IronCodePoke]

If you don't want to get convicted of 34 felony counts and have numerous other indictments pending then:

 

[CowboyJD]

Very naive perspective. This was politically motivated.


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You continuing to say it doesn't make it any more true.

 

[SanditeCowboy]

I'm gonna mostly stay out of this, but I have one thing to say as it is a pet peeve of mine: Please don't say your libertarian if you are maga. Libertarianism is diametrically opposed to authoritarianism. Even with the alt-right adjacent Mises caucus currently running the party, Trump only got 6 out of 800+ votes or less than 1% at our convention and a motion to tell him to f**k himself (direct quote from delegate's motion).

Chase Oliver is the libertarian nominee and he is a good candidate.

Who said they were “MAGA”?

My point has been this is politically driven, has not been done previously and sets a bad precedent moving forward. The implications this has on our judicial system and elections moving forward is disastrous.

In my opinion people are letting their hatred of Trump cloud their judgement on whether this is a good thing for our judicial system. Not using the slightest bit of critical thinking to anticipate what this does to our country moving forward.

Finally, my last input then I will go back to posting in the sports side of this app. I appreciate the conversation. This country has had a long list of presidents and former presidents do illegal activities and were not prosecuted for them. Why not then? Why Trump now? People’s hatred of a man is clouding their judgement on the politically motivated prosecution of a former president while he is running for president. The fact that all of sudden this is acceptable is scary for our country.

See you in the sports forum.


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[CowboyJD]

Did Trump or any of his surrogates charge her? By your standard they should have. Then half of the population would have lost their collective minds.


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No....they shouldn't have by his (and my standard).

They did investigate her....based upon reasonable suspicion.

They didn't charge her.....because the investigation didn't discover probable cause that she committed a crime.

They didn't convict her....because there was insufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to do so.

After Trump ran on "lock her up". You really believe if they had sufficient evidence to charge and convict her and chose not to prosecute her due to "precedent".

That's irrational and laughable.