I answered your question without a dodge.
Time for you to do the same.
Do you agree or disagree with the following proposition?
No man is or should be immune from the administration of justice for the crimes that he commits.
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I answered your question without a dodge.
Time for you to do the same.
Do you agree or disagree with the following proposition?
No man is or should be immune from the administration of justice for the crimes that he commits.
Prove another President committed the crimes that Trump has. Explain to me what makes the Office of President any different than the offices of Congressperson, Cabinet member, or other public official when we are talking about prosecuting crimes.
It’s different for Trump because he committed crimes. There was reasonable suspicion to investigate, probable cause to charge, and he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.
He deserves it because no man is above the law. Every single person that commits a crime deserves to be investigated if there is reasonable suspicion, charged if there is probable cause, and convicted if there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
Trump is no different than anyone else.
SanditeCowboy
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I don’t think it is that simple with a president/former president. Generally I would say yes no man should be above the law. Or below the law. In my opinion this was purely a political effort by Bragg, he campaigned stating as much.
My bigger concern is what is going to stop future presidents from having their surrogates go after their challengers now that this has happened? I think it is naive to think what happened today will not lead to that end.
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And there it is.
According to you…
No man is or should be immune from the administration of justice for the crimes that he commits…..except a President/former President. 4 men presently living get special consideration and exception that no other person in the country gets.
Different standards for them.
It is exactly that simple. Presidents/past Presidents get no special exceptions or benefits denied to his fellow citizens. Remember “ All Men Are Created Equal”? For you “All Men Are Created Equal…except 4-5 Presidents/ex President that are a wee bit more equal than everybody else when it comes to paying for crimes you commit.
If future Presidents commit crimes….They should be investigated, charged, and prosecuted with the evidence. It would be awesome if they are held to the same standards as all other U.S. citizens.
Trump was convicted of committing crimes by a jury of his peers in a lawful and proper manner. He actually committed those crimes and the evidence was there to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. What happened today SHOULD happen every single time a President/former President commits a crime.
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UrbanCowboy
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The fact that you can’t say the sentence “No one is above the law” without some kind of qualifier of “Generally….” all while calling everyone else tribal is laugh out loud hilarious.
Trump committed a crime. He has been prosecuted and found guilty not by some political party but by a jury of his peers. Bruh…Trumps team didn’t even offer a defense. Like honestly - what else were the jurors supposed to do?
Trump is guilty. I’m a conservative. Not a libertarian. Not a democrat. A voting and donating republican. And Trump is guilty.
I don’t know what you expect to happen here. Just everyone look the other way on Trumps obvious and repeated malfeasance? And don’t give me that crap of “but what about…”. We’re talking about Trump.
You can keep saying you aren’t a fan of Trump and you’re a libertarian, but none of that matters here if you don’t see what he is and what he represents. We follow him and THATS the end of the Republic you want us to consider. Today is a day that puts us back on a better path by saying “No one is above the law. Period.”
SanditeCowboy
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What world have you been living in? A number of presidents have avoided prosecution because they were presidents.
Why aren’t you calling for Clinton, Bush and Obama to be prosecuted then?
What specific statutes did he violate?
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What crimes did they commit?
Stillwater Townie
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On Newsnation, Bill O'Reilly told Cuomo that Biden should pardon Trump to bring down the hatred in the country. But added that Biden won't have the courage to do it.
mugatu
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Definitely right. He won't.... but he couldn't for these charges anyway... because it was a STATE CONVICTION.
Civil discourse...
Heh, you don't want to hear his opinion. You wanna hear your opinion coming out of his mouth (or fingers I guess in this case).
Has it occurred to you that maybe the reason Trump was convicted is because he did a bunch of illegal stuff and got caught? And if we are being completely honest a big reason this whole thing blew up was because he went back on his word about paying people off in the first place. That's who he is and it came back to bite him this time. The media circus surrounding it is definitely political. Duh-he's a flipping Presidential candidate. But at the end of the day a jury of his peers said he committed multiple crimes. There is nothing unusual about the legal system convicting someone of illegal activity when they did something illegal.
mugatu
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Clinton got a BJ and wasn't honest with Congress... not illegal.
Bush invaded Iraq using powers granted him by Congress and the Constitution... not illegal in the US
Obama did drone strikes using powers given to him by Congress and the Constitution... not illegal in the US
Maybe im missing something here... could easily be the case. What US laws did each break? I can point to some specific laws Trump broke because he was just convicted of 34 charges and a bunch more he's suspected of committing because he has a bunch more charges pending and each one calls out the specific law broken.
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More Magastani talking points.
They weren’t immune from prosecution because they were presidents. They weren’t prosecuted because there was insufficient evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt.
Say it with me….if you can….
No man is or should be immune from the administration of justice for the crimes that he commits….not even a President or a former President.
You can’t.
That’s deeply un-American. You would have been a bootlicking Tory Redcoat in 1776.
Kings are immune from the administration of justice….not U.S. Presidents.
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I'm guessing if you owned a television on Jan 6 you either A. turned it off or B. turned it to Fox for some very heavy brainwashing.
mugatu
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Again, maybe I'm wrong but Nixon is the only one I can think of that might have been in a position to be prosecuted but he was preemptively pardoned by Ford.
mugatu
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From the indictment: "FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10"
34 counts of it.
I'm guessing when Trump refused to testify then Fox News told sandite his 1st amendment rights were taken from him they were enough of a dum dum to believe that too.
PF5
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I´m pretty sure you are just like all the MAGAś and just putting your head in the sand, but here it goes:
what law? in a nutshell; falsifying documents to cover up payments made to porn star to silence her in order to help him in presidential election of 2016...explain how the dems changed the law? and your next two questions seem to say that others do this, why not attack them? I can´t answer that, but it´s like getting a speeding ticket while others are speeding too or getting audited and others don´t or etc.
it´s a wonderful idea to prosecute former presidents if they break the law (no one should be above the law)
¨ The Trump verdict is a triumph for the rule of law. The core of the rule of law is that no one — not even a president or a former president — is above the law. Donald Trump repeatedly tried to argue that he was above the law in this case, as well as others.
When the grand jury in this case subpoenaed his financial records, he took the case to the Supreme Court, arguing that as president he did not have to provide the information. The Supreme Court ruled against him. He argued to this court that he could not be prosecuted in New York State Court because he took the actions — writing the checks and falsifying the business records — when he was president.
The court rightly rejected this, and the case was tried before a jury. Donald Trump was convicted on all counts because the evidence was overwhelming that he authorized payment of hush money to Stormy Daniels, illegally concealed it as business records, and did so to help his campaign. The legal system worked as it is supposed to with a fair trial before a conscientious judge. The rule of law was upheld.¨
— Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law and preeminent constitutional scholar
