Changes Need to be Made

[H2Orange]

If we swing and miss with Robinson, kotlenicki would be a good hire

I would think his next job will be as a head coach somewhere.

 

[Osucowboys344]

I would think his next job will be as a head coach somewhere.

Yes, I’m saying as HC of Oklahoma State

 

[CptnQuirk]

Chad needs to have a serious convo with Mike about his long term plans so Chad can make long term plans.

 

[Spider Rico]

Anymore in the college and NFL game the Head Coach is really spending half his time doing the CEO things that don’t relate to Xs and Os! That is why Coordinators, both in the college game and the pros are SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY, COORDINATORS, ESSENTIALLY RUN ALL THREE PHASES OF THE TEAM, offense, defense and special teams!!! My best example is look at what has happened to Kansas when Lepolds long time right hand, Kotlenicki (O coordinator) was hired away by Penn State! They won seven games in 2022 and nine games last year mostly because of offense, now this year they may be even worse than OSU as they are 2-6!

KU would beat the sh!t out of us.

 

[Newpoke]

This season is an epic failure of expectations only outdone by FSU (Norvell is dead man walking). With each passing week and loss, Gundy sounds more and more like a coach that has 'jumped the shark'. Our program is now bigger than Gundy's vision and energy for it. It's time for Weiberg to start the succession process. The theme going fwd needs to be 'perform and be held accountable'. There is too much at stake in the broader college football landscape over the next few years to not course correct NOW. Listening to excuses for this year and running it back with more of the same is nothing short of institutional negligence.

1. Notify Gundy, that oSu is opting out of the YoY renewal. He is now officially on the clock. Gundy has earned the right to get us out of the hole he's led us into, but under tighter supervision and timeline. YoY improvements MUST be made and the timeline to get back to Big XII Champ contention level is 2 years TOPS otherwise it is 'Thank you for your service'! Consider restructuring his remaining contract to shorten the number of years and with increased performance incentives.
2. Demand a house cleaning at OC and DC. Since Gundy has been guided by what is easiest for him and blinded by his loyalty, unable to see what the rest of the world sees: the two Coordinators are horrible and too toxic to remain. This is nonnegotiable! Our best years only happened because Boone held Gundy accountable and forced his hand to relinquish OC duties. The result was our two best OCs ever and the foundation upon which Gundy's (false) reputation as a 'high flying gunslinger' was built. Truth is he's a stubborn, arrogant, old school conservative Pat Jones disciple which needs a kick in the arse to change because he currently has no incentive to do so.
3. Provide the requisite resources needed to go after the BEST coordinators on Power 4 Level. Gundy got lucky with Yurcich, which afforded him to the benefit of the doubt with Sean Gleeson which was a total fail. The recent defensive success of Iowa St and Gundy's overall coaching resume enabled him to sell us on the Nardo hire. @Gundy: You are now 1 for 3 on lower level hires. No more of this apprenticeship crap because you don't like to replace coordinators after getting poached. Hear that knock on Dunn and Nardo's doors? Yeah me neither. They only poach GOOD coordinators.
4. Make a run at Zach Robinson. He may have his heart set as a lifer in the NFL but you don't know unless you ask. Zach seems to check all the boxes we have in OC, HC succession plan, QB development, and fan excitement.
5. Insist the new OC and DC get to pick their support staffs and run their schemes. Hire the most qualified and let them do their jobs the way they know how to.
6. Demand recruitment at higher level. STOP with this recruiting in the mid-40's to 50's ranking. We should be recruiting at a higher level than we do. I've personally heard stories of #1 ranked OK recruit that had heart set on oSu but we hardly gave him the time of day so went elsewhere. This was a player that we would have loved to have. Probably in true Gundy fashion b/c we thought we didn't have a chance. We have a lazy coaching staff mentality when it comes to recruiting. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take and need to prioritize recruiting at higher level. Stop acting like a victim. You're not a G5 school. You've been a top 15 P4 winningest program over last decade+ but recruit nowhere near that range, so it shows how much you can achieve with less. Imagine what you could do with similar type players. Do better because long term success starts at recruiting better.

Mike Gundy is a year younger than me. He's in the latter stages of his career, as am I He's set in his ways, as am I. Trust me, he's not going to change much of anything at this stage of the game. Might replace a coach or two, but his approach to things and the energy that he currently brings to the job is the best it's going to be. It will not change. Where we are, is pretty much where we're going to stay under Gundy. That's the reality.

 

[CptnQuirk]

Mike Gundy is a year younger than me. He's in the latter stages of his career, as am I He's set in his ways, as am I. Trust me, he's not going to change much of anything at this stage of the game. Might replace a coach or two, but his approach to things and the energy that he currently brings to the job is the best it's going to be. It will not change. Where we are, is pretty much where we're going to stay under Gundy. That's the reality.

Changing a couple of coordinators may be all it takes.

 

[Newpoke]

Changing a couple of coordinators may be all it takes.

Maybe so in the short term, but it seems that, for whatever reason, we are also lacking in physicality along the lines. Whether that's recruiting, schemes or conditioning I don't know, but that's where it all starts, and we are getting whipped on a regular basis.

 

[andylicious]

Maybe so in the short term, but it seems that, for whatever reason, we are also lacking in physicality along the lines. Whether that's recruiting, schemes or conditioning I don't know, but that's where is all starts, and we are getting whipped on a regular basis.

We haven’t recruited hard in years, that messes up work/life balance. Gundy has a bad case of bumfuzzleitis and needs to quit calling his mentor for advice

 

[Backin82]

Maybe so in the short term, but it seems that, for whatever reason, we are also lacking in physicality along the lines. Whether that's recruiting, schemes or conditioning I don't know, but that's where it all starts, and we are getting whipped on a regular basis.

It's a mindset thing. It starts with a HC that is ok with losing. That trickles down to the entirety of the operation, all the way down to player effort and execution.

Many of our recruits came from winning HS programs, and aren't used to playing a scared, weak, soft brand of football that translates to losses against middle of the pack programs week in and week out. They are used to winning championships, and that's not gonna happen at OSU until our coaching staff drastically improves.

 

[inappropriate.name]

Recruiting is a thing of the past. The future is picking up players in the free agent market portal.

 

[PokeBloke]

He’s always been a very lazy recruiter. He takes easy. Look at our OL recruits the past few cycles. They had offers to Emporia State, UNT, LaTech. Easy to offer those kids because they pick OSU and we look good on a tweet. Problem is these kids are UNT talents and don’t develop over 5 yrs and we suck in the trneches

 

[inappropriate.name]

He’s always been a very lazy recruiter. He takes easy. Look at our OL recruits the past few cycles. They had offers to Emporia State, UNT, LaTech. Easy to offer those kids because they pick OSU and we look good on a tweet. Problem is these kids are UNT talents and don’t develop over 5 yrs and we suck in the trneches

The problem is development on the OL. We have had plenty of kids come through with multiple power 5 offers that never develop into what is needed. They all look weak, undiciplined and lack technique.

 

[GratefulPoke]

 

[DrHicktown]

Gundy basically said Bowman is the man the rest of the season. Ugh

 

[Osucowboys344]

Gundy basically said Bowman is the man the rest of the season. Ugh

Another sun down moment from gundy. He really doesn’t care if he pisses the whole fan base off.

I am inching closer to the fire gundy stage

 

[mugatu]

Another sun down moment from gundy. He really doesn’t care if he pisses the whole fan base off.

I am inching closer to the fire gundy stage

Ok. So I've been thinking about this a lot the last few weeks. 2023/2024 is too similar to 2021/2022. We shouldn't be doing these big quality swings in consecutive years.

I think Gundy gets one more year to prove he still wants to coach, but with the trends in recent history things need to change:

1. His auto renewal and auto raise both need to end for good.

2. Complete overhaul of the coordinator positions with the new OC and DC closing their staff. Coordinators chosen by AD and Pres with input from Gundy but he doesn't get the decision. Coordinators allowed to run recruiting and their schemes.

3. If not >.500 in conf next year or any two years <.500 in conf play, and/or not back to the conf champ game in 2 years, he's gone.

4. No renewal/renegotiation to his contract until we win the conference, so he has 5 years max.

5. If he wants to step down after the season, we give him a statue and/or his name on the ring in the next few years to honor the change in direction of the program under him and his success on the field... otherwise he risks strongly tarnishing his legacy and these are not going to happen. So if he cares about his legacy, he needs to consider the implications

 

[CptnQuirk]

Ok. So I've been thinking about this a lot the last few weeks. 2023/2024 is too similar to 2021/2022. We shouldn't be doing these big quality swings in consecutive years.

I think Gundy gets one more year to prove he still wants to coach, but with the trends in recent history things need to change:

1. His auto renewal and auto raise both need to end for good.

2. Complete overhaul of the coordinator positions with the new OC and DC closing their staff. Coordinators chosen by AD and Pres with input from Gundy but he doesn't get the decision. Coordinators allowed to run recruiting and their schemes.

3. If not >.500 in conf next year or any two years <.500 in conf play, and/or not back to the conf champ game in 2 years, he's gone.

4. No renewal/renegotiation to his contract until we win the conference, so he has 5 years max.

5. If he wants to step down after the season, we give him a statue and/or his name on the ring in the next few years to honor the change in direction of the program under him and his success on the field... otherwise he risks strongly tarnishing his legacy and these are not going to happen. So if he cares about his legacy, he needs to consider the implications

Not bad. Chad needs to do something to motivate MG.

 

[ashpkt]

Ok. So I've been thinking about this a lot the last few weeks. 2023/2024 is too similar to 2021/2022. We shouldn't be doing these big quality swings in consecutive years.

I think Gundy gets one more year to prove he still wants to coach, but with the trends in recent history things need to change:

1. His auto renewal and auto raise both need to end for good.

2. Complete overhaul of the coordinator positions with the new OC and DC closing their staff. Coordinators chosen by AD and Pres with input from Gundy but he doesn't get the decision. Coordinators allowed to run recruiting and their schemes.

3. If not >.500 in conf next year or any two years <.500 in conf play, and/or not back to the conf champ game in 2 years, he's gone.

4. No renewal/renegotiation to his contract until we win the conference, so he has 5 years max.

5. If he wants to step down after the season, we give him a statue and/or his name on the ring in the next few years to honor the change in direction of the program under him and his success on the field... otherwise he risks strongly tarnishing his legacy and these are not going to happen. So if he cares about his legacy, he needs to consider the implications

5 years is too long. He needs to be on a 2 year leash max.

 

[inappropriate.name]

5 years is too long. He needs to be on a 2 year leash max.

In two years are you going to be the one who puts the dead hooker in his trunk?

 

[ashpkt]

In two years are you going to be the one who puts the dead hooker in his trunk?

That escalated quick.

I laid out my thoughts on how it should be handled here