What’s the dealio with this site?

[Backin82]

What would you like to argue about first?

So many options... But I feel like this is some kind of trap, and I can't satisfy your request and maintain a clean conscience, particularly with how new this site is... We need to cultivate a healthy community here by making our discussions respectful and thoughtful.

Otherwise I'd like to argue about who did more for the football program - T Boone or Gundy?
or is it ok if we lose to OU every year even if we make a good bowl?
or is it a problem that we have so few conference championships even though we've had sustained winning seasons?
or does Gundy control the offense?

 

[GratefulPoke]

I found this site pretty early. However, there's a general lack of engagement that hurts it. Also, it seems like the few posters that are on here have drank the orange kool-aid and can't objectively look at OSU (especially football) and be realistic about the state of the program and the coach. I have no desire to engage with either overly negative people or those who make excuses for everything.

Transparently, the lack of engagement is primarily due to the fact that we have a small fraction of the users from OP.com on this site so far--namely in the free boards section of the site. The Patreon boards are a decent bit more active.

I am hopeful in the coming months that we start to have more engagement as word gets out about the site and the SEO rankings continue to climb.

Boards are about discourse and there is none if everyone has the same opinion. We welcome all respectful opinions on the site in regards to OSU athletics, the Big 12 and College Athletics as a whole.

 

[ThePoke]

Who will win the big 12

Colorado

 

[OSUPSYCHO]

So many options... But I feel like this is some kind of trap, and I can't satisfy your request and maintain a clean conscience, particularly with how new this site is... We need to cultivate a healthy community here by making our discussions respectful and thoughtful.

Otherwise I'd like to argue about who did more for the football program - T Boone or Gundy?
or is it ok if we lose to OU every year even if we make a good bowl?
or is it a problem that we have so few conference championships even though we've had sustained winning seasons?
or does Gundy control the offense?

Otherwise I'd like to argue about who did more for the football program - T Boone or Gundy?
That one for me is a kind of a chicken or the egg thing. We needed both to become the program we are now so its hard to say if Gundy would have been as successful without the T Boone donations. At the same time give us the T Boone donations and we just become a stepping stone school for quality coaches and I don't think we get to the point we are now.

or is it ok if we lose to OU every year even if we make a good bowl?
What does it matter, we only play them one more time anyway. The past is the past as far as bedlam goes for me.


or is it a problem that we have so few conference championships even though we've had sustained winning seasons?
I mean you answered this with the one about OU. OU has been one of the best teams in the country during our run of recent success. With them in the same conference that limited our ability to win the championship. At the same time though most everyone else was not able to beat them and win the conference that often either.

or does Gundy control the offense?
Of course he controls the offense, he is the head coach. Now I suspect what you mean is in game action and play calling. Everything shown and talked about is he does occasionally jump in with some play suggestions and also when to go for it, but that is about it.

 

[OrangeFanatic2]

So many options... But I feel like this is some kind of trap, and I can't satisfy your request and maintain a clean conscience, particularly with how new this site is... We need to cultivate a healthy community here by making our discussions respectful and thoughtful.

Otherwise I'd like to argue about who did more for the football program - T Boone or Gundy?
or is it ok if we lose to OU every year even if we make a good bowl?
or is it a problem that we have so few conference championships even though we've had sustained winning seasons?
or does Gundy control the offense?

I absolutely hate Oklahoma State losing to ou, however IMO you can't let that be the major criteria in a team/coaches success. That is one game out of 12, yes it's the "big one" but not the only one. If Gundy or whoever was HC were throwing out consistent 6-6, 7-5 seasons with loses to ou also then yes changes would definitely need to be made.

 

[OrangeFanatic2]

The way I see it is like this, a program has multiple phases/stepping stones. Oklahoma State football was a joke for a very long time (yes there were some years of success but nothing consistent). When Gundy took over, the goal was to become a consistent .500 or so team making a basic bowl game. These phases take multiple years to work through to get into that next phase for said program. We have definitely conquered this phase and moved on. The next phase to me is a program that is in the conversation every 2-3 years to be in the hunt for the conference title. I think Gundy is currently in this phase and nearly conquered it. Once this phase is complete, the next is winning the conference consistently (every other year or so). Again, this is just a way I see athletics and the programs. Yes, you have some that get very lucky and jump into the top tier phases quick (Clemson, Oregon, etc.)

 

[Soothsayer]

The way I see it is like this, a program has multiple phases/stepping stones. Oklahoma State football was a joke for a very long time (yes there were some years of success but nothing consistent). When Gundy took over, the goal was to become a consistent .500 or so team making a basic bowl game. These phases take multiple years to work through to get into that next phase for said program. We have definitely conquered this phase and moved on. The next phase to me is a program that is in the conversation every 2-3 years to be in the hunt for the conference title. I think Gundy is currently in this phase and nearly conquered it. Once this phase is complete, the next is winning the conference consistently (every other year or so). Again, this is just a way I see athletics and the programs. Yes, you have some that get very lucky and jump into the top tier phases quick (Clemson, Oregon, etc.)

I don't think T. Boone was aiming to be consistently .500 or in the conversation every 3 years for a conference title when he gave all that money. OSU has finished in the top 2 of the conference 4 times in Gundy's tenure with only 1 first place finish. That averages out to a top 2 finish every 4.5 years. Even if you're generous and only count since 2009 (the year OSU really got good), that's still only a top 2 finish every 3.5 years. OSU has been a consistent winner with Gundy, but has not progressed even according to your very conservative timeline. The Cowboys have lost games they should've won (especially against OU). Baylor has won 3 conference titles and finished in the top 2 another time in that same time span. Baylor was worse than OSU, had a worse stadium, and had their program gutted by a rape scandal and wholesale departure of athletes and coaches. Baylor has had arguably more success with more obstacles. Other historically bad programs (e.g., Minnesota, Kentucky, NC State, etc.) have also found sustained success even if not quite at OSU's level. Today, with facilities, the new conference, and a variety of other factors, OSU is no longer a dead-end job. Gundy apologists are silly when they claim no other coach could do what Gundy has done. In fact, all around the country, coaches prove they can also can consistently win games without winning championships.

 

[Duke Silver]

I don't think T. Boone was aiming to be consistently .500 or in the conversation every 3 years for a conference title when he gave all that money. OSU has finished in the top 2 of the conference 4 times in Gundy's tenure with only 1 first place finish. That averages out to a top 2 finish every 4.5 years. Even if you're generous and only count since 2009 (the year OSU really got good), that's still only a top 2 finish every 3.5 years. OSU has been a consistent winner with Gundy, but has not progressed even according to your very conservative timeline. The Cowboys have lost games they should've won (especially against OU). Baylor has won 3 conference titles and finished in the top 2 another time in that same time span. Baylor was worse than OSU, had a worse stadium, and had their program gutted by a rape scandal and wholesale departure of athletes and coaches. Baylor has had arguably more success with more obstacles. Other historically bad programs (e.g., Minnesota, Kentucky, NC State, etc.) have also found sustained success even if not quite at OSU's level. Today, with facilities, the new conference, and a variety of other factors, OSU is no longer a dead-end job. Gundy apologists are silly when they claim no other coach could do what Gundy has done. In fact, all around the country, coaches prove they can also can consistently win games without winning championships.

Boone also said there would absolutely be no cheating. Baylor didn't have to live by those rules.

 

[orngblkzebra]

I don't think T. Boone was aiming to be consistently .500 or in the conversation every 3 years for a conference title when he gave all that money. OSU has finished in the top 2 of the conference 4 times in Gundy's tenure with only 1 first place finish. That averages out to a top 2 finish every 4.5 years. Even if you're generous and only count since 2009 (the year OSU really got good), that's still only a top 2 finish every 3.5 years. OSU has been a consistent winner with Gundy, but has not progressed even according to your very conservative timeline.

Stillwater (hate to admit this one), Dirty Game, Covid, and a major shift in recruiting/transfer factors...programs like OSU are not established enough or playing with the same deck as the blue bloods in order to recover from those type of pressures. It isnt apologizing. Gundy has his faults (esp. with coaching changes/choiced) but I think too many fans think Boone's money leveled the playing field...all it did was install the ramp.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Colorado

Nice. That would be amazing to win a conference without playing in it

 

[Duke Silver]

Nice. That would be amazing to win a conference without playing in it

Would it Dwight?

 

[Cowboyshoopspride]

I absolutely hate Oklahoma State losing to ou, however IMO you can't let that be the major criteria in a team/coaches success. That is one game out of 12, yes it's the "big one" but not the only one. If Gundy or whoever was HC were throwing out consistent 6-6, 7-5 seasons with loses to ou also then yes changes would definitely need to be made.

The flip side is what if we went 6-6 every year but we beat them the next 90 times we play them? Gotta say, that might get my attention.......

 

[Midnight Toker]

Would it Dwight?

Yeah it would be pretty awesome. That's why I said it

 

[Llcoolw]

Ahhhh. Back at home where everything is right as rain.

 

[CptnQuirk]

Ahhhh. Back at home where everything is right as rain.

You are not Tuff Tiger.

 

[OSUinTX]

Ahhhh. Back at home where everything is right as rain.

Good to see you found the site!

 

[Llcoolw]

Good to see you found the site!

Was lurking to see how it goes but I also realized it’s past time to help support the new improvement. Glad you’re both here.

 

[KK10]

Welcome (back)

 

[celldweller7]

Otherwise I'd like to argue about who did more for the football program - T Boone or Gundy?
or is it ok if we lose to OU every year even if we make a good bowl?
or is it a problem that we have so few conference championships even though we've had sustained winning seasons?
or does Gundy control the offense?

Otherwise I'd like to argue about who did more for the football program - T Boone or Gundy?
- Both. It is impossible to sustain success without investment. It is also very possible to suck despite having excellent resources.

is it ok if we lose to OU every year even if we make a good bowl?

It is disappointing, that's for sure. We squandered some important opportunities when OU wasn't at full strength. But it is all about to be a moot point.

is it a problem that we have so few conference championships even though we've had sustained winning seasons?

It is disappointing as well. There will be so many great stories to tell about the Gundy era when it is over. However, the biggest blemish to-date is the inability to cap off the best seasons with conference titles. It is a true shame that Baylor and TCU have risen to the same or greater heights of success than we have managed.

does Gundy control the offense?

I need you to define what you mean by control.

 

[Newpoke]

It is disappointing as well. There will be so many great stories to tell about the Gundy era when it is over. However, the biggest blemish to-date is the inability to cap off the best seasons with conference titles. It is a true shame that Baylor and TCU have risen to the same or greater heights of success than we have managed.

Realistically, 2010 coulda/shoulda have been a national championship. If not for laying an egg in Ames. It was right there for the taking.