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Suspect in New Orleans attack that killed 10 is dead and FBI investigating as 'act of terrorism'​

Summary​

  • The FBI are investigating this morning's deadly attack in New Orleans as an "act of terrorism" as they confirm the suspect is dead
  • Ten people were killed and at least 35 injured after a man drove a pick-up truck into a large crowd
  • The incident occurred at approximately 03:15 local time (09:15 GMT) in the French Quarter - an area popular with visitors to the southern US city in Louisiana
  • Witnesses describe the "horrific" scene as bystanders rushed to assist victims or ran for cover
  • Police say the driver was "hell-bent on creating the carnage he did" and also opened fire on officers
  • In an earlier press conference, the FBI had said an improvised explosive device was found at the scene and agents are assessing its viability
The suspect accused of plowing a truck through a crowd on Bourbon Street early Wednesday morning has been identified by a law enforcement source as 42-year-old Shamsud Din Jabbar.

The source said Jabbar was carrying an ISIS flag in the truck, and authorities have said he was dressed in military gear.

*** This article does not say this, but other reports indicate he was a resident of Houston, TX and was a HR specialist in the military. ***

 
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*** This article does not say this, but other reports indicate he was a resident of Houston, TX and was a HR specialist in the military. ***
I've already seen idiots (looking at you, Marge...) publicly associating this with immigration.
 
Hard to understand why anyone would vote against a bill to deport an illegal immigrant who commit violence against women.

158 House members voted AGAINST this bill.


Spent a couple minutes on Google because this seems pretty straight forward.

From Reddit so take it for what it's worth:

The bill itself didn't do much in the way of offering protections for victims of domestic violence. Also the way it was written made it possible for victims of domestic violence to be subject to deportation.


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Im guessing it was something that wasn't going to do much to help one way or the other but was written in a way to get twitter reactions like the one you posted.
 
Spent a couple minutes on Google because this seems pretty straight forward.

The bill itself didn't do much in the way of offering protections for victims of domestic violence. Im guessing it was something that wasn’t going to do much to help one way or the other

It is because most people comprehend that deporting the perpetrator of domestic violence is a GREAT way of offering protections for victims of domestic violence.
 
Always does.

As a libertarian he should be asking if the legislation is necessary. I think its pretty common sense that an immigrant who commits a violent crime should be prosecuted and deported after completion of their sentence. No one is arguing against that. The headline from the twitter post mentions rapists and pedophiles. Does anyone believe that a majority of people on either side of the aisle are pro rape? Of course not, and there have been laws against that probably since laws have been a thing.

In my opinion the legislation is probably unnecessary but I'm not gonna argue too hard against anything that could offer additional protection to victims of domestic violence. I have my suspicions about why the voting went the way it did, but knowing little about the actual details of the legislation I could be easily swayed either way with a decent argument. The problem in this scenario though is he isn't trying to sway an opinion on it, he's just using a biased twitter source to randomly say "other side bad."

Its a real beta LINO move.
 
As a libertarian he should be asking if the legislation is necessary. I think its pretty common sense that an immigrant who commits a violent crime should be prosecuted and deported after completion of their sentence. No one is arguing against that. The headline from the twitter post mentions rapists and pedophiles. Does anyone believe that a majority of people on either side of the aisle are pro rape? Of course not, and there have been laws against that probably since laws have been a thing.

In my opinion the legislation is probably unnecessary but I'm not gonna argue too hard against anything that could offer additional protection to victims of domestic violence. I have my suspicions about why the voting went the way it did, but knowing little about the actual details of the legislation I could be easily swayed either way with a decent argument. The problem in this scenario though is he isn't trying to sway an opinion on it, he's just using a biased twitter source to randomly say "other side bad."

Its a real beta LINO move.
Maybe you should read the bill instead of forming your opinions from Reddit.

Here is a link to the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7909

And yes I want limited government. I also am 100% against violence against women and children.
 
As a libertarian he should be asking if the legislation is necessary. I think its pretty common sense that an immigrant who commits a violent crime should be prosecuted and deported after completion of their sentence. No one is arguing against that. The headline from the twitter post mentions rapists and pedophiles. Does anyone believe that a majority of people on either side of the aisle are pro rape? Of course not, and there have been laws against that probably since laws have been a thing.

In my opinion the legislation is probably unnecessary but I'm not gonna argue too hard against anything that could offer additional protection to victims of domestic violence. I have my suspicions about why the voting went the way it did, but knowing little about the actual details of the legislation I could be easily swayed either way with a decent argument. The problem in this scenario though is he isn't trying to sway an opinion on it, he's just using a biased twitter source to randomly say "other side bad."

Its a real beta LINO move.
What I don’t see in the language of the text of the bill is whether or not deportation would be before, during, or after completion of any term of incarceration.

I’m all for deportation after conviction for these crimes (frankly for pretty much any felony) as soon as they are released on probation/parole. Just reading the language of the bill (without doing a deep dive into the rest of the immigration statutes it is amending)….that language allows the immediate deportation if the alien admits the crime (before conviction) or immediately upon conviction. It makes no mention of whether they have to serve an sentence of incarceration before being deported though.

Reading JUST the text of the bill in a vacuum, I could prosecute and convict a sex offender where they are given a long prison sentence just to have them deported without serving their prison sentence first. In that situation, the alien probably prefers to be deported over serving time and gets a shot at entering the country illegally again. That is not a just result.

Like I said though, that’s based upon the text in the bill alone. There may language in the rest of the statutes of the U.S. Code that addresses that one way or the other.

Furthermore, a quick look at the U.S. Code indicates the any alien convicted any “aggravated felony, drug crimes, certain firearm offenses, crimes of moral turpitude, domestic violence, stalking, violations of VPOs and plenty of other crimes are already deportable under the law. I didn’t fully look at the list of aggravated felonies or moral turpitude crimes in the statute, but it’s had to imagine that rape and sex crimes against children aren’t in there.


Which kind of makes me question whether this bill is all just a publicity stunt/meaningless political theater as much as anything else.
 
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List of aggravated felonies in statute…8 USC 1101(a)(43)


Language in the statute includes this:

The term applies to an offense described in this paragraph whether in violation of Federal or State law and applies to such an offense in violation of the law of a foreign country for which the term of imprisonment was completed within the previous 15 years. Notwithstanding any other provision of law (including any effective date), the term applies regardless of whether the conviction was entered before, on, or after September 30, 1996.

So sex crimes and domestic violence crimes….state and federal…are already aggravated felonies making a foreign national deportable. So with regards to the twitter post in question…rapists and pedophiles can already be deported…once they complete any term of incarceration.
 
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So with regards to twitter posts….rapists and pedophiles can already be deported under federal law….after they serve any incarceration they are sentenced to.

So I'm guessing it was redundant legislation that has been spun as political fodder?

If that's the case I don't see the harm in how it was voted on either way. My concern was the comment I read about it somehow making it possible to deport victims of sexual violence. I think it would be horrible for someone to be raped and have the courage to come forward, only to be deported because of their immigration status. But if that is just more spin and not a reasonable outcome due to new legislation then I'm less concerned about it.

I still say, if someone is a true libertarian, they should have concerns about unnecessary legislation. But I'm not gonna die on a hill about it when it comes to anything related to sexual violence.
 
So I'm guessing it was redundant legislation that has been spun as political fodder?

If that's the case I don't see the harm in how it was voted on either way. My concern was the comment I read about it somehow making it possible to deport victims of sexual violence. I think it would be horrible for someone to be raped and have the courage to come forward, only to be deported because of their immigration status. But if that is just more spin and not a reasonable outcome due to new legislation then I'm less concerned about it.

I still say, if someone is a true libertarian, they should have concerns about unnecessary legislation. But I'm not gonna die on a hill about it when it comes to anything related to sexual violence.
An undocumented/unauthorized foreign national can be deported because of their immigration status even if the they are a victim of a sex or violent crime. There, however, is a federal visa program available to such people if they cooperate in the investigation/prosecution. It’s an application process that has to be approved by the feds and there is no guarantee that you get it.
 
Given what I know from doing immigration medical exams and some of the basic things that are disqualifying, I would be shocked if the crimes in this bill are not already disqualifying. If somehow these were not already covered, I would definitely be in favor of this bill.

Seems the true libertarian position of NOT creating new laws (i.e. gun control or hate crime) when there are already laws covering the issue would likely apply here. Of course, the common "libertarian" position is wanting small government, except when it is big government that they like or benefit from.
Those types of crimes (rape, sex crimes against children, and domestic abuse) are definitely in the list of "aggravated felonies" in 8 USC 1101(a)(43) for which someone is already "deportable"...though not by citation to the specific statutory names in this bill.

That leads me to the following conclusions:

-This was Republican political theater aimed purely at scoring points by showing Democrats voting against a redundant bill making foreign nationals "deportable" for crimes they're already deportable for, and....

-The Democrats are dumb enough to be trapped in that political theater by voting against the bill. If foreign nationals are already "deportable" for convictions for the "aggravated felonies" of sex crimes and domestic violence pursuant to 8 USC 1101(a)(43) (they are), then there is no real public policy reason to vote against putting the actual statutory names of those crimes as "deportable" elsewhere in the statutes. The only reason to vote against it are also in the nature of political theater.

It's all just both sides generating dumb political theater rather than doing the hard work necessary to right the ship because the masses on both sides lap this crap up on social media.
 
Those types of crimes (rape, sex crimes against children, and domestic abuse) are definitely in the list of "aggravated felonies" in 8 USC 1101(a)(43) for which someone is already "deportable"...though not by citation to the specific statutory names in this bill.

That leads me to the following conclusions:

-This was Republican political theater aimed purely at scoring points by showing Democrats voting against a redundant bill making foreign nationals "deportable" for crimes they're already deportable for, and....

-The Democrats are dumb enough to be trapped in that political theater by voting against the bill. If foreign nationals are already "deportable" for convictions for the "aggravated felonies" of sex crimes and domestic violence pursuant to 8 USC 1101(a)(43) (they are), then there is no real public policy reason to vote against putting the actual statutory names of those crimes as "deportable" elsewhere in the statutes. The only reason to vote against it are also in the nature of political theater.

It's all just both sides generating dumb political theater rather than doing the hard work necessary to right the ship because the masses on both sides lap this crap up on social media.
No argument with most everything you list. Unless it is spending taxpayer money..about 4/5th of what Congress does is political theater. Redundancy is a continuum. As you correctly stated in a previous post, any “undocumented/unauthorized foreign national can be deported because of their immigration status”.

While I have no doubt US Rep Mace put together this bill to shine a brighter light on illegal immigration and make herself look like she is doing something about crimes, the bill does expand some items that are now specifically redefined as deportable by amending language to tie definition to other laws (ie. Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act…and Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act).

The fact is at worst this bill expands crimes against women and children. And provides more directive on deportable crimes.
 
Anybody who screams about "protecting the children!" but isn't advocating constantly against the church, doesn't give 2 craps about actually protecting children. More than likely you're using it as a smokescreen to justify your hate of: brown people, immigrants, drag queens, trans, etc.
 
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