What are they being pardoned for?
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Concerns about the incoming administration using a weaponized DOJ for retaliation.
I'm not sure if all of them will accept it. I know Kinzinger said he wouldn't because what's the point when he did nothing wrong. That's understandable and I'm guessing 99% of it is political theater. The fact that it was even considered should be a cause for concern, but that's gonna be the norm for the next couple of years so we might as we'll get used to it.
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Trump has said he wanted to go after ALL of those people. Not sure what them charges would be, but i wouldn't be surprised if his DOJ made something up.
The positive in this action is that it will severely decrease the possibility of stupid silly political theater with hearings.
The negative is the conspiracy theorists will non-stop talk about what Fauci and others may have done and why Biden is covering it up.
And the truth about this is that Trump will utilize this as cover for the pardons he does and “presumptive pardons” will become normal activity for Presidents.
If they did nothing wrong then it doesn't matter.
I completely understand the the concern about Trump going on a vengeance tour.....that's going to happen and I in no way support that. Pardons at all are a sketchy subject......pardons for crimes that supposedly never happened are a different thing all together. If these individuals did nothing wrong then Trump and team would have to fabricate evidence, create false charges, and prosecute them in court with the world watching. This isn't just saying you have no faith in Trump this is saying you have no faith in the judicial system as a whole. Pardons for crimes that haven't been charged or prosecuted looks like you know these people are guilty and you are covering up. So far Biden has pardoned his son to avoid any cases being prosecuted and evidence seeing the light of day and preemptively pardoned people for crimes they say they didn't commit.....it's a bad look no matter who is coming in behind him.
This is a scary precedent for any president. And they will all use it in the future.
A government that gets itself 37T in debt is obviously shortsighted. This is shortsighted.
I'm not sure Trump could weaponize the Justice System any further than it has already been compromised. The last 4 years have been an excellent example of "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime".
I don't think he's concerned about cover but it will give talking heads something to justify whatever he does in that area.
And yeah, this broad increase in executive power we've seen the past few years will likely be problematic in future administrations.
This gives administrations the ability to do whatever they want outside of the law and pardon their folks before anything sees the light of day. I guess to an extent they have always had that but it was never used as the public wouldn't stand for it. Now I guess about half think it is ok.
Can you think of any President in our history more dangerous with that than the one taking over today?
PF5
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Obama and Clintons draw boos from Trump supporters watching from parade arena
NBC News' Tom Llamas reports from Capital One arena where Trump supporters watching the inauguration ceremonies let out loud boos for former President Bill Clinton, former Secy. Hillary Clinton and former President Obama as they were shown arriving at the Capitol.
www.nbcnews.com
I understood Hunter’s pardon.,.. I don’t agree with the presumptive pardons for Fauci and others but I understand the action.
But this I don’t get. It certainly appears Biden is almost admitting that his family did something criminal. At least according to Adam Schiff in a 2020 interview (who received a pardon today), who said those receiving a presidential presumptive pardon should be viewed as a presumption of guilt.
UPDATE (January 20, 2025, 11:57 1.m. ET): In his final moments as president, Joe Biden also issued pardons for several members of his family: James B. Biden, Sara Jones Biden, Valerie Biden Owens, John T. Owens, and Francis W. Biden. They come more than a month after the outgoing president also pardoned his son, Hunter Biden.
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Elon Musk draws outrage over 'odd-looking salute' at Trump inauguration celebration
The world’s richest man drew a ton of attention over an ill-advised “salute” he did on stage, with many likening it to a “Nazi” gesture.
www.independent.co.uk
Can we all agree Nazis are bad and people standing behind the podium with POTUS's seal shouldn't give a Nazi salute?
Elon Musk draws outrage over 'odd-looking salute' at Trump inauguration celebration
The world’s richest man drew a ton of attention over an ill-advised “salute” he did on stage, with many likening it to a “Nazi” gesture.
Can we all agree Nazis are bad and people standing behind the podium with POTUS's seal shouldn't give a Nazi salute?
What the…
Elon Musk draws outrage over 'odd-looking salute' at Trump inauguration celebration
The world’s richest man drew a ton of attention over an ill-advised “salute” he did on stage, with many likening it to a “Nazi” gesture.
Can we all agree Nazis are bad and people standing behind the podium with POTUS's seal shouldn't give a Nazi salute?
Dude has to be the worst person in the world at reading the room. All that money and he can't hire a pr team to make him look normal.
There's a reason white supremacists love Trump and Co. They've told them plenty of times who's team they're on.Elon Musk draws outrage over 'odd-looking salute' at Trump inauguration celebration
The world’s richest man drew a ton of attention over an ill-advised “salute” he did on stage, with many likening it to a “Nazi” gesture.
Can we all agree Nazis are bad and people standing behind the podium with POTUS's seal shouldn't give a Nazi salute?
I have to think he knows exactly what he did.
Schiff said he did not want a pardon for himself even stating he doesn't think preemptive pardons should be given as it would give the incoming president rationalization for unrelated pardons. Dec 4 24 he described it as defensive and unnecessary to Politico.
It's a crazy move that looks bad. You back date a pardon for your son.... preemptively pardon family members, elected officials, and the face of covid. It just puts a massive cloud of doubt over the ones involved and gives Trump fodder to spin up the base. I also think you are about to see any and all justification for state charges brought against those folks in deep red states to skirt this with a justice department that will turn over any documents state folks want.....he is already talking about document reclassification.
It's a dangerous precedent that should be illegal and will now be abused. Trump will do this too. And the next one.....and the next one.
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