Ukraine. Ukraine. Ukraine.

[steross]

White House pressing Ukraine to draft 18-year-olds so it has enough troops to battle Russia

President Joe Biden’s administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of those as young as 18

abcnews.go.com

You know for the future…..

You know you guys may be right about the missiles….i disagree but let’s say you are….a guy who knows he isn’t what he was urging a country to lower its draft age when he knows the entire strategy could change completely in less than two months is a piece of shit human: His son grifts the country their sons should die.

Yea, and the penalty for being 18 and not registering is $250K fine and 5 years in prison.
Oh, oops, that is the penalty for being an 18 year old American, not a Ukrainian.

Donny, what war has the US fought for 3 years before deciding that 18-25 year olds should be involved? If you have concerns that someone is a POS for having 18 year olds serve, why haven't those concerns come up before since that is what we have always done? Is every American president a POS for that reason? Or, is it only a POS move if it is about the war of Russian aggression because for some strange reason the right side of the US has lost their minds and are buddying up to a KGB agent-turned ruthless, territory-grabbing dictator.

 

[Donnyboy]

Yea, and the penalty for being 18 and not registering is $250K fine and 5 years in prison.
Oh, oops, that is the penalty for being an 18 year old American, not a Ukrainian.

Donny, what war has the US fought for 3 years before deciding that 18-25 year olds should be involved? If you have concerns that someone is a POS for having 18 year olds serve, why haven't those concerns come up before since that is what we have always done? Is every American president a POS for that reason? Or, is it only a POS move if it is about the war of Russian aggression because for some strange reason the right side of the US has lost their minds and are buddying up to a KGB agent-turned ruthless, territory-grabbing dictator.

It’s a piece of shit move for a lame duck pres to escalate a war he had no success in ending. No matter who he or she is.

When the pres in question has such a degraded mind he can’t remember when one of his sons died and other has been a source of controversy his whole term for his dealings in that country he should sit out telling them what to do with their sons. That’s not taking up for a dictator or saying countries can’t defend themselves. It’s not doing anything to make shit worse after 4 years of failed foreign policy.

You guys keep waving the Ukraine flag like you care and using the lazy “you love Putin” line but never address the fact he isn’t mentally sound. And he isn’t. His party doesn’t think so the his non-partisan IG doesn’t think he is mentally capable of standing a trial. And he is escalating a war. That is a bad thing. That’s what I’ve been saying. Not hooray Putin….not there is never a time for war…..that paw paw that doesn’t need to be driving a car doesn’t need to be driving a war he will have no say over in 55 days. I bought a pack of hot links that expire Jan 27…..they have a longer useful life than Biden and he is escalating a war. That’s not good.

 

[CowboyJD]

It’s a piece of shit move for a lame duck pres to escalate a war he had no success in ending. No matter who he or she is.

When the pres in question has such a degraded mind he can’t remember when one of his sons died and other has been a source of controversy his whole term for his dealings in that country he should sit out telling them what to do with their sons. That’s not taking up for a dictator or saying countries can’t defend themselves. It’s not doing anything to make shit worse after 4 years of failed foreign policy.

You guys keep waving the Ukraine flag like you care and using the lazy “you love Putin” line but never address the fact he isn’t mentally sound. And he isn’t. His party doesn’t think so the his non-partisan IG doesn’t think he is mentally capable of standing a trial. And he is escalating a war. That is a bad thing. That’s what I’ve been saying. Not hooray Putin….not there is never a time for war…..that paw paw that doesn’t need to be driving a car doesn’t need to be driving a war he will have no say over in 55 days. I bought a pack of hot links that expire Jan 27…..they have a longer useful life than Biden and he is escalating a war. That’s not good.

Stage 5 BDS.

 

[mugatu]

It’s a piece of shit move for a lame duck pres....

 

[Big8+4-2-2+2-2+4+4]

Between the Ruble collapsing, Syrian rebels carrying an offensive towards Aleppo, and Ukraine’s potential use of long range artillery Russia has had an awful week. Guys be thinking of Donny in this trying time…

 

[steross]

It’s a piece of shit move for a lame duck pres to escalate a war he had no success in ending. No matter who he or she is.

When the pres in question has such a degraded mind he can’t remember when one of his sons died and other has been a source of controversy his whole term for his dealings in that country he should sit out telling them what to do with their sons. That’s not taking up for a dictator or saying countries can’t defend themselves. It’s not doing anything to make shit worse after 4 years of failed foreign policy.

You guys keep waving the Ukraine flag like you care and using the lazy “you love Putin” line but never address the fact he isn’t mentally sound. And he isn’t. His party doesn’t think so the his non-partisan IG doesn’t think he is mentally capable of standing a trial. And he is escalating a war. That is a bad thing. That’s what I’ve been saying. Not hooray Putin….not there is never a time for war…..that paw paw that doesn’t need to be driving a car doesn’t need to be driving a war he will have no say over in 55 days. I bought a pack of hot links that expire Jan 27…..they have a longer useful life than Biden and he is escalating a war. That’s not good.

If you are going to claim that we are "waving the Ukrainian flag" then you are clearly "waving the Russian flag." The current position of our nation is opposing a dictator invading a sovereign country. If you want to constantly argue for the Russian side, fine. But this nonsense of "I'm going to argue for the Russian side while always claiming I'm not for them" is just silliness. Do you want Ukraine to succeed in being a sovereign nation or not?

If you just want them to capitulate, then you are taking the Russian side. If you want them to survive, get rid of your ignorance that you have better intel on how to do that than our government.


And your response to me was just Donny anti-Biden rambling and ignored all that I said. You are blowing a gasket because our president urged a country to draft people at the same age we draft them. Also the same age that the invading country that you are siding with conscripts them. Only a true Russian partisan would be able to claim such obvious logic is wrong.

 

[Donnyboy]

I love the way you keep saying sovereign nation like we haven’t interfered in all that is Ukraine for decades…..hell the President profits off of it and brags about it.

Im not pro-Russia I’m just not naive enough to think this ends well in any scenario so end it. I’m anti long drawn out proxy wars that never end well. Afghanistan publicly supports Russia in the war…..you know Afghanistan where we spent 20 years for them to be right back where they were. The foreign policy strategy of being the world’s police has not worked. It hasn’t worked for us or the countries we use like pawns. There was a deal to be made….its worse now because of long range weapons use. Long range weapon use authorized by a man of diminished mental ability…..that should be enough…..yall just keep avoiding the fact the President of the United States is seriously compromised mentally…..but any lame duck shouldn’t be doing this.

Yall sound like Dick Cheney.

 

[steross]

I love the way you keep saying sovereign nation like we haven’t interfered in all that is Ukraine for decades…..hell the President profits off of it and brags about it.

Im not pro-Russia I’m just not naive enough to think this ends well in any scenario so end it. I’m anti long drawn out proxy wars that never end well. Afghanistan publicly supports Russia in the war…..you know Afghanistan where we spent 20 years for them to be right back where they were. The foreign policy strategy of being the world’s police has not worked. It hasn’t worked for us or the countries we use like pawns. There was a deal to be made….its worse now because of long range weapons use. Long range weapon use authorized by a man of diminished mental ability…..that should be enough…..yall just keep avoiding the fact the President of the United States is seriously compromised mentally…..but any lame duck shouldn’t be doing this.

Yall sound like Dick Cheney.

LOL. If you think the diplomatic relationship the US has had with Ukraine since 1991 affects their sovereignty like Russia invading does then it is no wonder we cannot agree on anything because that is bats#!^ crazy.

 

[Donnyboy]

LOL. If you think the diplomatic relationship the US has had with Ukraine since 1991 affects their sovereignty like Russia invading does then it is no wonder we cannot agree on anything because that is bats#!^ crazy.

I’m not saying that either. There is nuance here lots of it. But diplomatic relationship is a stretch also… we have used them as a pawn…..now we are taking actions that will more likely be reversed in days that is getting more people killed and more ground lost. Nothing good has come of the decision to use long range weapons. None of y’all can point to one. You just keep saying “Russia bad”. Yeah no shit Russia is bad so quit making it worse. There hasn’t been a time in our history the Democratic Party has been pro war or pro lame ducks making big moves. I guess they were just waiting for one who can’t think anymore for it to be cool.

 

[Donnyboy]

Zelenskyy suggests 'hot phase' of Ukraine war could end in return for NATO membership if offered - even if seized land isn't returned immediately

The Ukrainian president told Sky News's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay NATO membership would have to be offered to unoccupied parts of the country in order to end the "hot phase of the war", as long as the NATO invitation itself recognises Ukraine's internationally recognised borders.

news.sky.com

He must not know as much as y’all….what a coward

 

[steross]

I’m not saying that either. There is nuance here lots of it. But diplomatic relationship is a stretch also… we have used them as a pawn…..now we are taking actions that will more likely be reversed in days that is getting more people killed and more ground lost. Nothing good has come of the decision to use long range weapons. None of y’all can point to one. You just keep saying “Russia bad”. Yeah no shit Russia is bad so quit making it worse. There hasn’t been a time in our history the Democratic Party has been pro war or pro lame ducks making big moves. I guess they were just waiting for one who can’t think anymore for it to be cool.

I love the way you keep saying sovereign nation like we haven’t interfered in all that is Ukraine for decades…..hell the President profits off of it and brags about it.

It was your own words Donny. If it "is not what you are saying" then don't actually say it.

When did you get so anti-American? "We used them as a pawn." No, we didn't. You just voted for a guy based on "America first" and at the same time are claiming that because we had a relationship with a country that was a former Soviet state that we used them. Show me any way that the US forced Ukraine into anything they were not willing to do because they had a better alternative? Are you saying we should have avoided any diplomatic relations with them? Are you saying we should have been altruistic and only had a giving relationship with them? WTF are you actually doing other than whining about every thing the US does which coincidentally would be what benefits Russia?(We know, you are arguing for Russia but don't really want it to help them.)

 

[CowboyJD]

Zelenskyy suggests 'hot phase' of Ukraine war could end in return for NATO membership if offered - even if seized land isn't returned immediately

The Ukrainian president told Sky News's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay NATO membership would have to be offered to unoccupied parts of the country in order to end the "hot phase of the war", as long as the NATO invitation itself recognises Ukraine's internationally recognised borders.

news.sky.com

He must not know as much as y’all….what a coward

This wouldn’t have even been a possibility for him to propose as a settlement position without American and other NATO support that you continue to rail against.

 

[Donnyboy]

It was your own words Donny. If it "is not what you are saying" then don't actually say it.

When did you get so anti-American? "We used them as a pawn." No, we didn't. You just voted for a guy based on "America first" and at the same time are claiming that because we had a relationship with a country that was a former Soviet state that we used them. Show me any way that the US forced Ukraine into anything they were not willing to do because they had a better alternative? Are you saying we should have avoided any diplomatic relations with them? Are you saying we should have been altruistic and only had a giving relationship with them? WTF are you actually doing other than whining about every thing the US does which coincidentally would be what benefits Russia?(We know, you are arguing for Russia but don't really want it to help them.)

I didn’t vote for Trump. That’s just more lazy talk.

The American government isn’t good at anything anymore. Our standing in the world is worse, our citizenry is fat sick and taking 80% of the worlds anti-depressants, our schools are losing ground to world every year, we are 36 trillion dollars in debt with depending on where you look between 35-40% of total revenue going to interest, Donald Trump is about to be President, Biden is President…..none of that is good. I’ve never claimed to have the perfect answer for this. Doing the same dumb unsustainable failing strategy we have imposed for decades ain’t the answer.

You’re still avoiding that the president in the question is senile and has been involved corrupt dealings in the country in question. I didn’t vote for Trump but more Americans did than didn’t and that’s a signal that as a nation we don’t want this either. So again this all started with the statement that a guy who you wouldn’t hire at any level for any job other Walmart greeter shouldn’t throw gas on a fire as he walks out of the door and that is exactly what has been done. It needs to stop….there needs to be a deal and we aren’t going to get everything we want and neither is Ukraine and neither is Russia….but a deal we can live with and this war needs to end before it gets out of hand because Ukraine doesn’t have a year left in them without another country….and I’m not talking Poland….im talking us, UK, Germany, NATO coalition type force getting boots on the ground involved and that doesn’t need to happen.

 

[Donnyboy]

This wouldn’t have even been a possibility for him to propose as a settlement position without American and other NATO support that you continue to rail against.

That’s true. I never said it wasn’t. I agreed if you’re going to fight don’t put gloves on.
But we did. It’s worse there than it was days ago. It didn’t have to be. Ukraine will not win this. They lose what they already have…..they lose it all….or they get blown up to the point that they are a third world nation with infighting and outside governments meddling in everything for decades while the nuclear powers fight in their yard.

 

[CowboyJD]

That’s true. I never said it wasn’t. I agreed if you’re going to fight don’t put gloves on.
But we did. It’s worse there than it was days ago. It didn’t have to be. Ukraine will not win this. They lose what they already have…..they lose it all….or they get blown up to the point that they are a third world nation with infighting and outside governments meddling in everything for decades while the nuclear powers fight in their yard.

So now you want to take the gloves completely off, stop doing what got Ukraine in a position to even be able to negotiate, stop doing anything for them, and leaving them where the only thing available to them will be surrender to whatever demands Putin makes because…..Biden.

Got it.

 

[Donnyboy]

So now you want to take the gloves completely off, stop doing what got Ukraine in a position to even be able to negotiate, stop doing anything for them, and leaving them where the only thing available to them will be surrender to whatever demands Putin makes because…..Biden.

Got it.

I want a deal to be made. It’s what’s going to happen in the end anyway. I don’t want to spend hundreds of billions more for years while making the globe less stable.

No lame duck pres should do this. If Kamala won it should t have been done.

It should matter that America just spoke in an election.

It does matter that it’s Biden because he isn’t all there and his family has profited from corruption in the country.

That would have been considered rational my entire life and applauded by the left until a few weeks ago.

 

[CowboyJD]

I want a deal to be made. It’s what’s going to happen in the end anyway. I don’t want to spend hundreds of billions more for years while making the globe less stable.

No lame duck pres should do this. If Kamala won it should t have been done.

It should matter that America just spoke in an election.

It does matter that it’s Biden because he isn’t all there and his family has profited from corruption in the country.

That would have been considered rational my entire life and applauded by the left until a few weeks ago.

Lot of words just to confirm exactly what I said….

So now you want to take the gloves completely off, stop doing what got Ukraine in a position to even be able to negotiate, stop doing anything for them, and leaving them where the only thing available to them will be surrender to whatever demands Putin makes because…..Biden.

Got it.

 

[steross]

I didn’t vote for Trump. That’s just more lazy talk.

The American government isn’t good at anything anymore. Our standing in the world is worse, our citizenry is fat sick and taking 80% of the worlds anti-depressants, our schools are losing ground to world every year, we are 36 trillion dollars in debt with depending on where you look between 35-40% of total revenue going to interest, Donald Trump is about to be President, Biden is President…..none of that is good. I’ve never claimed to have the perfect answer for this. Doing the same dumb unsustainable failing strategy we have imposed for decades ain’t the answer.

You’re still avoiding that the president in the question is senile and has been involved corrupt dealings in the country in question. I didn’t vote for Trump but more Americans did than didn’t and that’s a signal that as a nation we don’t want this either. So again this all started with the statement that a guy who you wouldn’t hire at any level for any job other Walmart greeter shouldn’t throw gas on a fire as he walks out of the door and that is exactly what has been done. It needs to stop….there needs to be a deal and we aren’t going to get everything we want and neither is Ukraine and neither is Russia….but a deal we can live with and this war needs to end before it gets out of hand because Ukraine doesn’t have a year left in them without another country….and I’m not talking Poland….im talking us, UK, Germany, NATO coalition type force getting boots on the ground involved and that doesn’t need to happen.

Ok. sorry, I certainly thought that you would be for trump. Like the Russia thing. You don't want to benefit Russia, but have made pages of arguments that would benefit Russia. And you didn't vote for Trump, but you made pages of arguments against any other candidate but Trump. You are right, I am too "lazy" to try to figure out what you really mean when you do this.

 

[Donnyboy]

Ok. sorry, I certainly thought that you would be for trump. Like the Russia thing. You don't want to benefit Russia, but have made pages of arguments that would benefit Russia. And you didn't vote for Trump, but you made pages of arguments against any other candidate but Trump. You are right, I am too "lazy" to try to figure out what you really mean when you do this.

No you want a black white one zero answer and there isn’t one. If you don’t like everything about Biden you must love Trump…..not the case. If you don’t want endless war that drives us further into debt and damages foreign relations around the globe you must love Russia…..not the case. Few years back if you didn’t slobber over Yangs UBI you said people were for an endless welfare state…..again not the case. Turns out some things have layers.

 

[steross]

No you want a black white one zero answer and there isn’t one. If you don’t like everything about Biden you must love Trump…..not the case. If you don’t want endless war that drives us further into debt and damages foreign relations around the globe you must love Russia…..not the case. Few years back if you didn’t slobber over Yangs UBI you said people were for an endless welfare state…..again not the case. Turns out some things have layers.

I'll give you $1000 if you search and find one post where I wrote, or even implied, that I like everything about Biden. This is total nonsense, Donny. And, our big debate about Yang's UBI is you said it would cause horrible inflation. Well, gee, I guess you were "right."

We are only talking about this because the US drafts at age 18. Russia drafts at age 18. And you wrote that Biden was basically acting like a war criminal for urging Ukraine to draft at age 18. That isn't "like everything" that is "whine incessantly."