mugatu
Ranger
Gonna need to get extra popcorn ready when that train wreck starts.
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mugatu
Ranger
... and the House voted it down.
Too many crazies on either side in the house. It's going to take bipartisan support for anything to happen.
Musk* seems to think he can say boo and people will do his bidding. It doesn't work that way.
*We all know who is really running things here.
GOGETUMPOKE
Ranger
Lol. The republicans tried to get George Soros but he was already taken.
Stop this crap about both sides. Only one side has actively been trying to destroy democracy.
Crazies may have been too strong of a word. Congress is almost evenly split and in two groups of 200 or so people who generally think alike you are always going to find a few who want to do things differently for one reason or another. The Republicans won't be able to do much without democratic support and unless it's an absolute bloodbath for the Republicans in 2026 the incoming democratic majority won't be able to do much either. They are going to have to find a way to work together in spite of President Musks wishes.
PF5
Sheriff
Musk flexes influence over Congress in shutdown drama
Musk and Trump quickly derailed a stopgap spending bill, showing their power before the president-elect even takes office.
www.bbc.com
A funny thing happened on the way to a bipartisan agreement to fund US government operations and avoid a partial shutdown this week.
Conservatives in Congress – encouraged by tech multi-billionaire Elon Musk – balked.
Republicans tried to regroup on Thursday afternoon, offering a new, slimmed-down package to fund the government. That vote failed, as 38 Republicans joined most Democrats in voting no.
All this political drama provides just a taste of the chaos and unpredictability that could be in store under unified Republican rule in Washington next year.
The man at the centre of this week's drama holds no official government title or role. What Elon Musk does have, however, is hundreds of billions of dollars, a social media megaphone and the ear not just of the president of the United States but also rank-and-file conservatives in Congress.
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As the number of his posts about the proposed agreement stretched into triple digits, at times amplifying factually inaccurate allegations made by conservative commentators, opposition to the legislation in Congress grew.
And by Wednesday evening, Donald Trump – perhaps sensing that he needed to get in front of the growing conservative uprising - publicly stated that he, too, opposed the government funding bill.
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Support for the stopgap spending bill then collapsed, forcing Johnson and his leadership team to scramble to find an alternative path forward. As they did, Musk celebrated, proclaiming that "the voice of the people has triumphed".
It may be more accurate, however, to say that it was Musk's voice that triumphed.
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For two years, Republicans in the chamber have grappled with keeping a united front amidst a party populated, at least in part, by politicians with an active contempt for the government they help to run
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What this week has revealed, however, is that the president-elect may not always offer the legislature the clear, consistent direction it requires.
His insistence on raising the debt limit, for instance, caught many in his own party by surprise. And outside influences, such as from Musk or others, could inject extra instability into the process.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene, the firebrand Georgia congresswoman who unsuccessfully pushed to remove Johnson in May, suggested Musk become speaker.
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(what a $h!t sh0w)
GOGETUMPOKE
Ranger
I found this interesting from Tom Cole.
He ain't wrong. Also, you know he's the one who introduced the first "piece of crap" 1,500-page CR right?
Here's what he said about it:
Committee Releases Bill to Continue Current Funding and Provide Much-Needed Disaster Relief
mugatu
Ranger
Really need a constitutional amendment that says if actual gov funding bills (CRs not allowed) are not passed that everyone in congress is inelligible for reelection and has to sit out at least 1 term regardless of how long they have left on their current term. And if government gets shutdown then all states hold elections within 3 months to replace all senators and reps to fill rest of their terms.
Should also be a time limit on funding bills but I'm not sure when. Maybe Sept for following fiscal year budgets.
But it would never happen so here we are flirting with this annual crapshow.
Should also be a time limit on funding bills but I'm not sure when. Maybe Sept for following fiscal year budgets.
But it would never happen so here we are flirting with this annual crapshow.
JTOSU
Ranger
Really need a constitutional amendment that requires spending levels to be no greater than revenue received. With same ineligibility of reelection that you specified.
mugatu
Ranger
I get it, but that's much harder to confirm/predict. The budget office tries but it's never going to be accurate and you won't know actual revenue v cost until after it's in place and had time to stabilize.
mugatu
Ranger
So his incoming administration wrecked a bipartisan deal because for reasons and he's saying it's the current administrations problem so they need to deal with it?
That's just great leadership there.
That's just great leadership there.
I think the House sent a message to him when they voted down his and Musk's preferred resolution. So he's backing off. He's not president. They should have passed the first one.
PF5
Sheriff
How about the House add campaign finance reform to the CR so Republicans and Democrats alike can stop being so scared about what a billionaire man-child thinks before they vote on anything around here
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) December 20, 2024
JTOSU
Ranger
Estimate FY revenues and apply a spending ceiling for that FY…and then adjust (+/-) in following years based on actual revenues.
But we will never figure out our multiple trillion dollar debt growth with a section of citizens seemingly upset when a 1.5k page spending bill was not approved. Some are okay, or precisely don’t care, that we further burden future citizens.
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