Trump 2024 Run Thread

Former President Donald Trump responded with fury Monday after CNN published an audio file of him discussing a sensitive military document he kept after leaving the White House, saying the recording actually exonerates him and reflects an ongoing witch hunt at the Justice Department.

“The Deranged Special Prosecutor, Jack Smith, working in conjunction with the DOJ & FBI, illegally leaked and ‘spun’ a tape and transcript of me which is actually an exoneration, rather than what they would have you believe,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. “This continuing Witch Hunt is another ELECTION INTERFERENCE Scam. They are cheaters and thugs!”
 
Former President Donald Trump responded with fury Monday after CNN published an audio file of him discussing a sensitive military document he kept after leaving the White House, saying the recording actually exonerates him and reflects an ongoing witch hunt at the Justice Department.

“The Deranged Special Prosecutor, Jack Smith, working in conjunction with the DOJ & FBI, illegally leaked and ‘spun’ a tape and transcript of me which is actually an exoneration, rather than what they would have you believe,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. “This continuing Witch Hunt is another ELECTION INTERFERENCE Scam. They are cheaters and thugs!”
I can’t wait until it comes out that the people in the room will testify that trump had documents marked classified in his hand during that audio recording.
 
I think this guy has listed every excuse in the book so far for these classified documents. Now he is saying it was just bravado and he was just showing off

‘It was bravado’: Trump says he wasn’t holding up classified documents in 2021 meeting​

Former President Donald Trump insisted on Tuesday that he was not showing off classified documents in an audio clip first published by CNN in which he referred to “highly confidential” material and “secret information” that he could no longer declassify.

“I would say it was bravado, if you want to know the truth, it was bravado,” Trump said in an interview aboard his plane with Semafor and ABC News. “I was talking and just holding up papers and talking about them, but I had no documents. I didn’t have any documents.”

The latest comments suggested a new potential legal argument from the former president: That he was overselling the material he was showing to an aide and people working on a biography of former chief of staff Mark Meadows in the recording, a transcript of which featured heavily in his recent federal indictment.

“I just held up a whole pile of — my desk is loaded up with papers. I have papers from 25 different things,” he said, adding he kept relevant news articles about topics like Iran on hand.

At one point, Trump gestured to the seat next to him on the plane, where a stack of various papers — newspapers, copies of his speech, printouts of articles — sat. He grabbed some from the pile and placed them in front of him, moving them around as he spoke and offering up a physical reenactment of what he said was occurring on the audio tape.

Asked about his use of the word “plans” during a Fox News interview earlier Tuesday to describe some items he may have highlighted in the 2021 meeting, Trump insisted he was referring to “building plans” and plans for golf courses strewn about his desk.

“Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”

Asked if he had any regrets about his handling of classified documents, Trump said he did not.

“No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”

Asked whether the audio would affect whether he considers a plea deal, Trump said he was confident that the government’s use of the Espionage Act to prosecute him would fail and repeated unverified accusations against President Biden before ending the interview.

“Frankly, that you even ask a question like that's a disgrace,” he said. “So let's end it.”

 
What happens if Republicans accept that Trump is guilty? the week

Former President Donald Trump is the clear frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. He also faces the real possibility of being convicted of several felonies before Election Day.

Trump could be convicted of lying to New York State about paying off a porn actress to hide an alleged extramarital affair, or he could be convicted of keeping top secret national security documents in unsecured rooms and lying to the federal government when ordered to return them. He may also conceivably be convicted of illegally or violently trying to stay in power after losing the 2020 election.

Americans are presumed innocent until found guilty, and Republicans have by and large presumed that Trump is being unfairly persecuted, held to a higher standard than other politicians, or even innocent. That presumption became harder to maintain after news organizations obtained and published a two-minute audio clip of Trump appearing to confess to the felonies charged by special counsel Jack Smith in the secret documents case.

Trump and his conservative media allies are trying to spin this recording as inconclusive, no big deal, or even, as Trump claimed, an "exoneration." But what would happen if Republicans just presumed that Trump is probably guilty?

What are the commentators saying?​

A few months ago, proving that Trump willfully kept documents he knew were classified "looked like a major obstacle to conviction. Not so much anymore," Bonnie Kristian wrote at The Daily Beast. The audio of Trump showing off secret Iran attack documents sure "sounds like an admission of guilt" — here's "Trump, with perhaps the most recognizable voice on Earth, saying he knowingly did exactly what he's accused of doing."

Trump is likely to be convicted, but he "shouldn't go to prison" — because he's old, this isn't a violent crime, and it's one "we can absolutely guarantee he won't and can't commit again: All we have to do is not reelect him as president," Kristian said. "One way for that to happen is for Republican voters to accept his guilt here. The tape should make it easy enough."

No, "the sickness of the Republican Party as it is presently constituted is that there is no conceivable set of facts that would permit it to acknowledge Trump's guilt," Jonathan Chait argued at New York Magazine. The GOP has shifted from fighting for conservative policies to just "ruthlessly" fighting, equating "scruples" with weakness. "A willingness to do or say anything to win was the essence of Trump's appeal," and now "the concept of 'crime' has been redefined in the conservative mind to mean activities by Democrats." Regardless of the strength of the cases against Trump, his GOP "loyalists have been trained to either deny any evidence of misconduct by their side or rationalize it as a necessary countermeasure against their enemies."

"It's not too late for the Republican Party," conservative former federal appellate judge J. Michael Luttig said in The New York Times. Trump "cynically calculated that his indictment would ensure that a riled-up Republican Party base would nominate him as its standard-bearer in 2024," and he appears to be right so far. "The stewards of the Republican Party" have "managed to convince themselves that an indicted and perhaps even convicted Donald Trump is their party's best hope for the future," but that's a losing bet — "there is no path to the White House for Republicans with Mr. Trump." And if Trump's plausible guilt on Espionage Act charges "fails to shake the Republican Party from its moribund political senses, then it is beyond saving itself. Nor ought it be saved."

What happens next?​

Trump's trial on the documents and obstruction charges will start sometime between when the GOP presidential debates begin and when Republicans start voting for their party's nominee. So far, Republican lawmakers are split on whether to support Trump for president "if he's convicted of federal crimes," NBC News reported. "While some GOP lawmakers say they couldn't support a convicted felon for the White House, others are reluctant to close the door," and "the divisions scramble ideological lines." Privately, though, congressional Republicans express "more consternation about the possibility that a convicted criminal could be their party's presidential nominee."

GOP voters seem less disturbed by the idea. A recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 63% of Republicans said they would vote for Trump even if here were found guilty of a crime. "That so many rank-and-file Republicans would stick with Trump, seemingly no matter what, shows the real stronghold he has on the GOP base — and why he's considered the frontrunner to win the Republican nomination again," NPR News reported. But the Republican enthusiasm isn't broadly shared: The same poll — conducted April 17-19 among 1,291 adults, with a margin of error of ±3.4 percentage points — found that 64% of respondents don't want Trump to be president in general, and 70% are a no if he's convicted of a crime.
 
Kevin McCarthy's Trump gaffe exposes Republican dilemma BBC

Spare a thought for Kevin McCarthy, the Republican Speaker of the House, who this week is tying himself in pretzels over Donald Trump.
On Tuesday, McCarthy caused a political firestorm when he told a television interviewer that he didn't know whether Mr Trump is the strongest Republican candidate for the 2024 presidential election. But within a day, Mr McCarthy was backtracking, telling Breitbart News that "Trump is stronger today than in 2016".
The Speaker's critique was pretty mild, the reaction from Trump supporters was anything but. "McCarthy stepped in it," says Bryan Lanza, a former Trump staffer who remains close to the former president. "[McCarthy] can't afford to be seen as soft on Trump or he loses his Speakership."
Mr McCarthy is not the only one to have doubts about Mr Trump. Many in the party's leadership are worried that Mr Trump will win the nomination only to lose the presidential election. They feel he has too many weaknesses. They would love to see an alternative, someone who America's swing voters might prefer.
At the moment, however, that alternative doesn't look likely. Indeed, McCarthy's swift, public clean-up operation tells us a lot about Trump's hold on his party.
Despite being twice indicted, plagued by scandals and ongoing legal investigations, and up against multiple rivals, Mr Trump is still the overwhelming favourite to win his party's nomination for the presidency. A poll this week from NBC News showed him with 51% support among Republican voters, that's up from 46% in April.

Here are three things that help explain what is going on:

1. Trump's legal problems are helping, not hurting him (for now)​

Donald Trump has been found liable of sexual assault, and he has been charged under the Espionage Act with keeping classified documents after he left the White House. He is also facing charges in New York over alleged payments made to a porn star during his 2016 presidential campaign.
None of those things have ever happened before. And there could be more indictments coming, on whether he tried to steal the election in Georgia and over his role in the 6 January Capitol riot. That's a lot of legal headaches.
But the more legal charges he faces, the more Mr Trump can persuade his supporters that he is the victim of a political vendetta. "The indictments helped him with the base and helped him with fundraising," Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee and now a vocal opponent of Mr Trump, told me. "And when the indictment comes out of Georgia, his poll numbers will go up again," he adds.
Of course, this could change in a general election campaign when swing voters may decide they don't want to support someone who's accused of committing crimes.

2. The other Republican candidates are splitting the non-Trump vote.​

As of today there are more than a dozen Republicans running for president. Some are running as the alternate-Trump, some are running as the anti-Trump and some are just trying to ignore him. Polls suggest about half of Republican voters don't love the former president, but for now they are splitting their allegiance pretty evenly between all those other candidates. Divide and conquer was a successful Trump strategy in 2016 - it seems to be working again.

But what about Ron DeSantis, the Florida Governor, who was supposed to be the big challenger to Trump? Well, so far, his numbers are falling, not rising. It's no secret in Republican circles that Mr DeSantis has been a weak candidate, the more people see of him on the trail, the less they like him, not more. "None of the other candidates matter," is Mr Steele's conclusion. It would, he says, take an act of God to dislodge Trump from the nomination.

3. The race is about confrontation more than conservatism.​

The days of Ronald Reagan's optimistic Morning in America campaign are over. This Republican Party is looking for someone who can fight for them on cultural issues, like abortion and transgender rights, and who isn't afraid to take on even the Republican establishment. There is no better fighter than Donald Trump, the man who physically took on another billionaire, and won, at a 2007 wrestling match. No candidate commands attention and whips up crowd anger like Mr Trump.
Remember that at this same stage in the 2016 election campaign, he was polling at a mere 6% in the Republican field. But rally by rally, debate by debate, he pushed the other candidates off the stage. He did it by attacking them hard (with words that may have sometimes felt like punches) and by telling voters he was as mad as they were about the state of America.
Still, all the while, the alternative candidates to Mr Trump continue to hope that primary voters will tire of the chaos surrounding the former president or that his legal troubles will drag him down - and by proxy - raise them up.
That doesn't worry the Trump camp. "No one is beating Trump," Mr Lanza, the former Trump staffer, says confidently. "I assume everyone still running is auditioning for a Cabinet position [in a Trump White House]."

IMO:...McCarthy is just kissin @$$, like many Americans...1. It definitely doesn't seem to be hurting him at the moment, my conservative friends seem to be in this group, saying it's just political, what about biden, innocent til proven guilty, etc...2. I agree with this point, republicans seem to be in two camps: trump lovers and tired of trump, but who do they turn to? 3. to me, when they speak about 'cultural issues' like abortion and transgender rights, I cringe to think about desantis in power!!!! (worse than trump? yeah, maybe, probably, really? I don't know, but UGH!!)
 
A former Trump administration official claims in a new book that Donald Trump talked about his daughter Ivanka Trump's "breasts, her backside, and what it might be like to have sex with her," and that the lewd comments made female staffers uncomfortable.

Miles Taylor, who served as chief of staff to Homeland Security Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen during Trump's presidency, made the allegations in his upcoming book, Blowback: A Warning to Save Democracy from the Next Trump
 
Kevin McCarthy's Trump gaffe exposes Republican dilemma BBC

Spare a thought for Kevin McCarthy, the Republican Speaker of the House, who this week is tying himself in pretzels over Donald Trump.
On Tuesday, McCarthy caused a political firestorm when he told a television interviewer that he didn't know whether Mr Trump is the strongest Republican candidate for the 2024 presidential election. But within a day, Mr McCarthy was backtracking, telling Breitbart News that "Trump is stronger today than in 2016".
The Speaker's critique was pretty mild, the reaction from Trump supporters was anything but. "McCarthy stepped in it," says Bryan Lanza, a former Trump staffer who remains close to the former president. "[McCarthy] can't afford to be seen as soft on Trump or he loses his Speakership."
Mr McCarthy is not the only one to have doubts about Mr Trump. Many in the party's leadership are worried that Mr Trump will win the nomination only to lose the presidential election. They feel he has too many weaknesses. They would love to see an alternative, someone who America's swing voters might prefer.
At the moment, however, that alternative doesn't look likely. Indeed, McCarthy's swift, public clean-up operation tells us a lot about Trump's hold on his party.
Despite being twice indicted, plagued by scandals and ongoing legal investigations, and up against multiple rivals, Mr Trump is still the overwhelming favourite to win his party's nomination for the presidency. A poll this week from NBC News showed him with 51% support among Republican voters, that's up from 46% in April.

Here are three things that help explain what is going on:

1. Trump's legal problems are helping, not hurting him (for now)​

Donald Trump has been found liable of sexual assault, and he has been charged under the Espionage Act with keeping classified documents after he left the White House. He is also facing charges in New York over alleged payments made to a porn star during his 2016 presidential campaign.
None of those things have ever happened before. And there could be more indictments coming, on whether he tried to steal the election in Georgia and over his role in the 6 January Capitol riot. That's a lot of legal headaches.
But the more legal charges he faces, the more Mr Trump can persuade his supporters that he is the victim of a political vendetta. "The indictments helped him with the base and helped him with fundraising," Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee and now a vocal opponent of Mr Trump, told me. "And when the indictment comes out of Georgia, his poll numbers will go up again," he adds.
Of course, this could change in a general election campaign when swing voters may decide they don't want to support someone who's accused of committing crimes.

2. The other Republican candidates are splitting the non-Trump vote.​

As of today there are more than a dozen Republicans running for president. Some are running as the alternate-Trump, some are running as the anti-Trump and some are just trying to ignore him. Polls suggest about half of Republican voters don't love the former president, but for now they are splitting their allegiance pretty evenly between all those other candidates. Divide and conquer was a successful Trump strategy in 2016 - it seems to be working again.

But what about Ron DeSantis, the Florida Governor, who was supposed to be the big challenger to Trump? Well, so far, his numbers are falling, not rising. It's no secret in Republican circles that Mr DeSantis has been a weak candidate, the more people see of him on the trail, the less they like him, not more. "None of the other candidates matter," is Mr Steele's conclusion. It would, he says, take an act of God to dislodge Trump from the nomination.

3. The race is about confrontation more than conservatism.​

The days of Ronald Reagan's optimistic Morning in America campaign are over. This Republican Party is looking for someone who can fight for them on cultural issues, like abortion and transgender rights, and who isn't afraid to take on even the Republican establishment. There is no better fighter than Donald Trump, the man who physically took on another billionaire, and won, at a 2007 wrestling match. No candidate commands attention and whips up crowd anger like Mr Trump.
Remember that at this same stage in the 2016 election campaign, he was polling at a mere 6% in the Republican field. But rally by rally, debate by debate, he pushed the other candidates off the stage. He did it by attacking them hard (with words that may have sometimes felt like punches) and by telling voters he was as mad as they were about the state of America.
Still, all the while, the alternative candidates to Mr Trump continue to hope that primary voters will tire of the chaos surrounding the former president or that his legal troubles will drag him down - and by proxy - raise them up.
That doesn't worry the Trump camp. "No one is beating Trump," Mr Lanza, the former Trump staffer, says confidently. "I assume everyone still running is auditioning for a Cabinet position [in a Trump White House]."

IMO:...McCarthy is just kissin @$$, like many Americans...1. It definitely doesn't seem to be hurting him at the moment, my conservative friends seem to be in this group, saying it's just political, what about biden, innocent til proven guilty, etc...2. I agree with this point, republicans seem to be in two camps: trump lovers and tired of trump, but who do they turn to? 3. to me, when they speak about 'cultural issues' like abortion and transgender rights, I cringe to think about desantis in power!!!! (worse than trump? yeah, maybe, probably, really? I don't know, but UGH!!)
Trump is actually pretty liberal when it comes to gay/trans issues. He should probably be who you're rooting for. ;)
 
@GOGETUMPOKE and @andylicious, I get it, you both are transphobic and/or homophobic...as you know I am for LGBTQ+ rights...let's try to move on...agree to disagree...OR continue to make your 'middle school comments...good day
Nothing middle school about it. Trump is obviously the better choice if you are concerned about gay/trans rights.
 
@GOGETUMPOKE and @andylicious, I get it, you both are transphobic and/or homophobic...as you know I am for LGBTQ+ rights...let's try to move on...agree to disagree...OR continue to make your 'middle school comments...good day
I'm not transphobic, I'm against incorrect facts or omission of facts that perpetuate ignorance. Your choice to cherry pick what you wish to espouse and how you wish to support your arguments is sadly lacking.
 
Those of you who still support Trump, and have daughters (or young children in general)...how do you do it? Trump has been convicted of sexual assault, and is on tape bragging about multiple other instances. Do you think your daughters don't make the connection that you support a man who assaults women, no matter what? Do you think your sons aren't also making the same connection - that as long as you're powerful you can do whatever you want to women?

If it ever happens to one of your children, I hope you'll take a much different stance than "fake news" or "locker room talk". But then again your daughters will never tell you because you are letting them know your stance on the issue right now.

I assume I'll just get 'creepy joe' and 'crooked hillary' rhetoric, but I thought I'd ask the question. If any of you fervent supporters can enlighten me, I'd love to hear a rational response.
 
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