OT: General CFB Thread

[Coco Cincinnati]

Did Texas beat a currently ranked team all year? Guess it depends on the final ranking. I remember when the committee used to use wins over other teams in their poll as one of their criteria. Just more evidence of their bias, they will create and discard criteria to justify what they want.

Also, it seemed a few weeks ago that the Big 12 might not get one of the 4 byes. However, ASU started the weekend ranked ahead of Clemson. Does the committee jump Clemson over ASU or will Clemson now be the conference champ that doesn't get a bye.

Will the committee drop SMU below Bama? You know that discussion will at the very least take place.

 

[CptnQuirk]

Did Texas beat a currently ranked team all year? Guess it depends on the final ranking. I remember when the committee used to use wins over other teams in their poll as one of their criteria. Just more evidence of their bias, they will create and discard criteria to justify what they want.

Also, it seemed a few weeks ago that the Big 12 might not get one of the 4 byes. However, ASU started the weekend ranked ahead of Clemson. Does the committee jump Clemson over ASU or will Clemson now be the conference champ that doesn't get a bye.

Will the committee drop SMU below Bama? You know that discussion will at the very least take place.

Here is a partial ranking according to strength of schedule.

 

[DxCowboy]

Color me shocked that they dropped Bama out! Wow!

Otherwise, can’t wait for the first round:

Clemson at Texas
Indiana at ND
Tenn at tOSU
SMU at Penn State

These on campus games are gonna be great!

 

[cowboyinexile]

Color me shocked that they dropped Bama out! Wow!

Otherwise, can’t wait for the first round:

Clemson at Texas
Indiana at ND
Tenn at tOSU
SMU at Penn State

These on campus games are gonna be great!

I didn't think about it but Indiana at Notre Dame is about as good of an on campus game as it gets. 3 hour drive between the campuses. That's pretty sweet.

 

[KK10]

I think SMU gives Penn State all they want

 

[H2Orange]

I think SMU gives Penn State all they want

Winner plays Boise State, so they will be responsible for winning that game and keeping Jeanty from breaking Barry’s record.

 

[andylicious]

I think SMU gives Penn State all they want

I think they beat Pedo U

 

[Georgia Poke]

The trifecta isn't happening this year. GMC jumped out to an early 14-0 lead and then got gobsmacked.

 

[DxCowboy]

Takeaways:

The byes for highest ranked conference champs have to go when the bracket moves to 16 teams. No way that Boise and ASU should get a bye and a top 4 seed. I get what they did in trying to keep the value of the conference CG’s, but nobody in the world thinks they’re 2 of the top 4.

The above rule is penalizing the team that got the number one seed and had a perfect season. How? Boise & ASU’s automatic seeding pushed Tennessee and others down in the seeds, meaning Oregon will meet them earlier.

Oregon’ path is through Tenn/tOSU, then TX/Clemson/ASU.

The other half of the bracket is UGA with Indiana/ND then Penn St/SMU & Boise.

Needs to be tweaked to be more like the bb tournament-win your conference and you’re in. What we have in year one of this format is win your conference and you’re a number one seed.

So glad to see Clemson steal a bid from Bama, spare me the tears crimson tide. The 2nd best team in the SEC hasn’t beaten a ranked opponent, in a league where 9 of the teams were ranked preseason. Do I think Texas is good? Of course, but where’s any case they’re anywhere close to elite? And spare me the recruiting rankings/draft picks SEC crap, exhibit A:LSU, exhibit B: A&M.

Bottom line: SMU, Boise, ASU, Clemson, Penn State, Indiana would’ve never had even a shot under the old format. Does it need tweaking? Sure, but it’s a helluva lot better than what we’ve had.

 

[74072 Poke]

After the Army game, I got 2 words for ya:

GO NAVY

 

[TXPoke]

Takeaways:

The byes for highest ranked conference champs have to go when the bracket moves to 16 teams. No way that Boise and ASU should get a bye and a top 4 seed. I get what they did in trying to keep the value of the conference CG’s, but nobody in the world thinks they’re 2 of the top 4.

The above rule is penalizing the team that got the number one seed and had a perfect season. How? Boise & ASU’s automatic seeding pushed Tennessee and others down in the seeds, meaning Oregon will meet them earlier.

Oregon’ path is through Tenn/tOSU, then TX/Clemson/ASU.

The other half of the bracket is UGA with Indiana/ND then Penn St/SMU & Boise.

Needs to be tweaked to be more like the bb tournament-win your conference and you’re in. What we have in year one of this format is win your conference and you’re a number one seed.

So glad to see Clemson steal a bid from Bama, spare me the tears crimson tide. The 2nd best team in the SEC hasn’t beaten a ranked opponent, in a league where 9 of the teams were ranked preseason. Do I think Texas is good? Of course, but where’s any case they’re anywhere close to elite? And spare me the recruiting rankings/draft picks SEC crap, exhibit A:LSU, exhibit B: A&M.

Bottom line: SMU, Boise, ASU, Clemson, Penn State, Indiana would’ve never had even a shot under the old format. Does it need tweaking? Sure, but it’s a helluva lot better than what we’ve had.

There has got to be a benefit for winning your conference that is more than just admission to the dance. I'm completely ok with ASU and BSU getting byes in this format.

I'm sorry, SEC and Big 10 guys. They wanted to make more money together, they picked their schedules and can deal with the consequences. Not providing benefits to conference winners would only serve to devalue the season for teams like OSU. Playoffs are there to determine a tournament champion, the best team over the course of the season doesn't always win.

None of this is to say I'm completely happy with the situation as it stands. It can definitely be improved upon. But better than the BCS.

 

[DxCowboy]

There has got to be a benefit for winning your conference that is more than just admission to the dance. I'm completely ok with ASU and BSU getting byes in this format.

I'm sorry, SEC and Big 10 guys. They wanted to make more money together, they picked their schedules and can deal with the consequences. Not providing benefits to conference winners would only serve to devalue the season for teams like OSU. Playoffs are there to determine a tournament champion, the best team over the course of the season doesn't always win.

None of this is to say I'm completely happy with the situation as it stands. It can definitely be improved upon. But better than the BCS.

I agree with you for the most part, & understand the OSU angle.

There’s no way that ASU & Boise just deserve a bye and an automatic top 4 seed though. Nobody who’s watched anything thinks they’re top 4, which is what this is.

 

[Duke Silver]

I agree with you for the most part, & understand the OSU angle.

There’s no way that ASU & Boise just deserve a bye and an automatic top 4 seed though. Nobody who’s watched anything thinks they’re top 4, which is what this is.

Too bad. There are a lot of conference tourney winners that have no business in the tourney in basketball too.

The real problem is nobody else deserves to be there either and it shows every team has a chance which wasn't the case last year.

 

[DxCowboy]

Too bad. There are a lot of conference tourney winners that have no business in the tourney in basketball too.

The real problem is nobody else deserves to be there either and it shows every team has a chance which wasn't the case last year.

Try reading.

Confrerence tourney winners aren’t guaranteed a seed, whereas they are in fb.

 

[Duke Silver]

Try reading.

Confrerence tourney winners aren’t guaranteed a seed, whereas they are in fb.

I read. ACC didn't get a seed, big 12 wasn't. Nobody is guaranteed a seed except 4 of the top 5 conference winners.

 

[DxCowboy]

I read. ACC didn't get a seed, big 12 wasn't. Nobody is guaranteed a seed except 4 of the top 5 conference winners.

Nobody in the world thinks that ASU & Boise are top 4 seeds, please.

I get it that this is the way it’s structured in yo1, but it’s flawed, which is my point.

 

[TXPoke]

Nobody in the world thinks that ASU & Boise are top 4 seeds, please.

I get it that this is the way it’s structured in yo1, but it’s flawed, which is my point.

But again, they're being rewarded for winning the conference. That has to matter, and it can't just be admission to the tournament. Sitting here and giving Big 10 and SEC teams basically all the byes every year is terrible for the sport long term as a national tournament.

NBA West might be way overpowered compared to the East, but you don't see West teams getting better seeds compared to the East in the tournament if there is an objectively better West team.

Same in the NFL. Multiple examples of sub .500 division winners getting home playoff games because they won their division.

 

[KK10]

I don't want to see them make knee-jerk sweeping changes based on 1 year's results. Next year things can/will shake out very differently. Book it

 

[mugatu]

Nobody in the world thinks that ASU & Boise are top 4 seeds, please.

I get it that this is the way it’s structured in yo1, but it’s flawed, which is my point.

Disagree strongly. It balances out the number potentially biased numbers and prevents conferences getting top seeds out of reputation only.

It's impossible to compare conferences to each h other. SEC already plays fewer conference games and fewer Power conference teams. Giving them more byes just because they have convinced people the conference is tougher wouldn't be good.

 

[DxCowboy]

But again, they're being rewarded for winning the conference. That has to matter, and it can't just be admission to the tournament. Sitting here and giving Big 10 and SEC teams basically all the byes every year is terrible for the sport long term as a national tournament.

NBA West might be way overpowered compared to the East, but you don't see West teams getting better seeds compared to the East in the tournament if there is an objectively better West team.

Same in the NFL. Multiple examples of sub .500 division winners getting home playoff games because they won their division.

I don’t disagree at all, but I think this version is flawed in the ways I stated.

Getting rid of preseason/early season polls would help,

You can’t make an NFL comparison though, because of scheduling and we all know it. Bama isn’t taking a road game in Stillwater and on and on. NFL doesn’t care, KC is playing in Carolina, etc…

There’s no world, other than the current structure, where anyone can logically argue that ASU & Boise deserve a bye.