2024 Presidential Election

[steross]

I tried to take this with an open mind. I'm not a podcast guy and there is no way in the world I'm going to waste 2 hours of my life on whatever Joe Rogan thinks is important that day. But i gave it a shot. Started about an hour in.

The minute he started talking about his work with Tucker I was done. He can talk all he wants (and make some great points) about things that honestly should be common sense. But working with the biggest shill in entertainment should make him lose all credibility.

That is a perspective. The other perspective is that nobody else will listen. And, they will not listen because by far the largest ad spend that pays their salaries is from pharma. How do you have a show funded by pharma that talks about how pharma is controlling our chronic conditions for their profit?

What you are saying is no different from when I post an article from the NYT and conservative posters say "Fake News! That is a liberal rag" without looking at the content.

The guy basically said he was a never-Trump guy but nobody else would listen to the message.

 

[steross]

Yes Rogan I can’t stand.

This is a different interview with her, a little more technical, less politics.

 

[cowboyinexile]

That is a perspective. The other perspective is that nobody else will listen. And, they will not listen because by far the largest ad spend that pays their salaries is from pharma. How do you have a show funded by pharma that talks about how pharma is controlling our chronic conditions for their profit?

What you are saying is no different from when I post an article from the NYT and conservative posters say "Fake News! That is a liberal rag" without looking at the content.

The guy basically said he was a never-Trump guy but nobody else would listen to the message.

I was ok with his content. I think he made some good points from what I watched. Focusing on improving health through proper diet and exercise vs pills is great and pretty common sense. There are questions big pharma needs to answer and it's frustrating that the people who should be asking those questions don't even know what to ask. Ill have to go back and look at the tweet you posted but I don't understand how you fabricate medical research. I don't think the FDA just approves drugs willy nilly and the scientific community isn't one to just accept anything as a complete fact just because so I don't see how a bunch of research was fabricated.

Again though when he said Tucker it made me question everything he said. I didn't question it being on Rogen and I wouldn't question him having an interview on the cable news network of your choice. But saying he's on the same page as medias biggest charlatan makes me question his credibility. Might be the same as someone else saying it about whatever media they don't like but we both know there is a huge difference between the Wall Street Journal and Tucker Carlson.

 

[GOGETUMPOKE]

Well, I'm a little mindblown right now.

I'm an undecided voter at the moment.

I know posters like @GOGETUMPOKE and @JTOSU love to call me a partisan. But, I don't care because I know I'm not. I want what I feel is best for the country.

I've listed, and still believe, the things I dislike about DJT. Nonsense election fraud, the divisiveness, appointing horrible partisan judges, and so on.

But, I posted in the Trump thread an interview with comedian Andrew Shultz. It was long form so ignored here. But, in that interview Trump seemed way more normal than he has in a long time. Still arrogant and dislikeable, but more normal.

Then, I watched this Joe Rogan podcast:

Again it is long, over two hours, but I feel that it is incredibly important and everyone should watch it. Like most podcasts they were hyperbolic (particularly Calley Means) but the key points they are making are 100% true. I see it every day at work. We are an unhealthy population and the things that we as a society and as a government are doing to try to fix the issue is not fixing the issue and in many ways we are making it worse. Not only health worse, economically worse. And, the bigger problem is that our institutions that are supposed to provide help to our health issues have been bought out by industry and corrupted. It is at the point that even I as a doc have trouble figuring out a good study from bad. And, they are just posting false data so even if you figure out the study, it might be a lie***. Economic incentives rule all of us. And, the economic incentive is for us to be chronically living but unhealthy.

I still think RFK is a bit of a nutcase but even a bit of a nutcase can be right about things. If what is being said about Trump (and RFK) in this podcast is true, we need this. We really, really, need this as we are on a disastrous course health wise. And, I wish it was really about anyone other than Trump. But, this issue is far more important that most of us understand. I will look into this and if the claims are true I'm really going to have to consider what is more important to me. And, I know I'm in OK and my vote doesn't matter but it does matter to me.

I think if this is a subject that you are not familiar with that it is worth the time to listen to this entire podcast to get a sense of how deep this issue is. But, the "political" part sort of is concentrated at about 1:18 or so.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1840790950643183706

Thanks for posting this. I’m going to give it a listen sometime this weekend.

 

[Stillwater Townie]

Every good conspiracy has lots of truth.

But taking your expose to Alex Jones, Mike Adams and other discredited conspiracy theory nuts and fear porn artists only destroys your credibility. Going to Joe Rogan isn't doing much better since he is friends with Alex Jones. Jones has praised Rogan before for starting to come around to his nonsense, insanity and paranoia. At least Rogan comes forth as more rational and considerably less bizarre and hysterical.

 

[steross]

I was ok with his content. I think he made some good points from what I watched. Focusing on improving health through proper diet and exercise vs pills is great and pretty common sense. There are questions big pharma needs to answer and it's frustrating that the people who should be asking those questions don't even know what to ask. Ill have to go back and look at the tweet you posted but I don't understand how you fabricate medical research. I don't think the FDA just approves drugs willy nilly and the scientific community isn't one to just accept anything as a complete fact just because so I don't see how a bunch of research was fabricated.

Again though when he said Tucker it made me question everything he said. I didn't question it being on Rogen and I wouldn't question him having an interview on the cable news network of your choice. But saying he's on the same page as medias biggest charlatan makes me question his credibility. Might be the same as someone else saying it about whatever media they don't like but we both know there is a huge difference between the Wall Street Journal and Tucker Carlson.

No, the FDA does not approve drugs willy-nilly. The point is that we are using drugs to attempt to fix things that are better fixed by other methods. And we are doing that because that is where the incentives are.

This guy was trying to get his message out and was being denied by all media. The first media outlet to even let him on was Tucker Carlson. Because he mentioned that is what happened that makes you doubt his message? He isn't spreading Tucker Carlson's message. He is spreading his own anywhere someone will listen.

I guess I have a question for you. This guy states he was a never-Trump and was trying to discuss this and got no response from the media to what you are calling "common sense." If it is common sense but is for certain not occurring, why was he denied by the media that should have embraced a pharmaceutical lobbyist telling us the issues occurring? Why did a "never-Trump" person have to go to Tucker Carlson and say that while Trump says "stupid sh1#" he is the only politician taking this in? Would you rather he just sit in silence since the media ignored him and his only responses were Tucker and Trump?

 

[steross]

But taking your expose to Alex Jones, Mike Adams and other discredited conspiracy theory nuts and fear porn artists only destroys your credibility. Going to Joe Rogan isn't doing much better since he is friends with Alex Jones. Jones has praised Rogan before for starting to come around to his nonsense, insanity and paranoia. At least Rogan comes forth as more rational and considerably less bizarre and hysterical.

So, what do you do when Rogan is who will listen to your message and none of the media will? Just sit in silence and allow it to continue?

 

[steross]

and the scientific community isn't one to just accept anything as a complete fact just because so I don't see how a bunch of research was fabricated.

It was very easy. This is a Western blot. It is literally ink like lines in a gel matrix.
The researcher simply copy/pasted old western blots in a paper labelled to appear that he did new work and had a new finding. Without doing the Western Blot over again there would be no way to know that it didn't happen and there is a basic level of trust that has to happen in science.

 

[Stillwaterman]

Yes Rogan I can’t stand.

I'm actually baffled by anyone that that just straight up craps on Rogan. The guy opens up his platform to all sides of everything and gets a lot of all of his interviews. The only reason I think folks have issue with that show is if you listen long enough, whatever beliefs a person may have, they will eventually be challenged.

 

[cowboyinexile]

No, the FDA does not approve drugs willy-nilly. The point is that we are using drugs to attempt to fix things that are better fixed by other methods. And we are doing that because that is where the incentives are.

This guy was trying to get his message out and was being denied by all media. The first media outlet to even let him on was Tucker Carlson. Because he mentioned that is what happened that makes you doubt his message? He isn't spreading Tucker Carlson's message. He is spreading his own anywhere someone will listen.

I guess I have a question for you. This guy states he was a never-Trump and was trying to discuss this and got no response from the media to what you are calling "common sense." If it is common sense but is for certain not occurring, why was he denied by the media that should have embraced a pharmaceutical lobbyist telling us the issues occurring? Why did a "never-Trump" person have to go to Tucker Carlson and say that while Trump says "stupid sh1#" he is the only politician taking this in? Would you rather he just sit in silence since the media ignored him and his only responses were Tucker and Trump?

I'd rather them continue to find other methods of getting his message out. If you can't get ABC to cover your story, you don't run to the weekly world news. It's 2024, there are a million ways to get internet famous.

That being said, the more I look at it the more questions I have. Some of their stuff makes alot of sense to me and some of it (particularly in relation to vaccination) I really question.

I question some of the political motivation here as well. He says he's a never Trumper, but he did intern at Heritage. If he comes from a right wing anti government ideological background, that's going to generate a bias in how we views the world. I'm not saying he's wrong or I don't buy what he's selling, just that it's a reason to give pause before you jump right in.

 

[Stillwaterman]

No, the FDA does not approve drugs willy-nilly. The point is that we are using drugs to attempt to fix things that are better fixed by other methods. And we are doing that because that is where the incentives are.

This guy was trying to get his message out and was being denied by all media. The first media outlet to even let him on was Tucker Carlson. Because he mentioned that is what happened that makes you doubt his message? He isn't spreading Tucker Carlson's message. He is spreading his own anywhere someone will listen.

I guess I have a question for you. This guy states he was a never-Trump and was trying to discuss this and got no response from the media to what you are calling "common sense." If it is common sense but is for certain not occurring, why was he denied by the media that should have embraced a pharmaceutical lobbyist telling us the issues occurring? Why did a "never-Trump" person have to go to Tucker Carlson and say that while Trump says "stupid sh1#" he is the only politician taking this in? Would you rather he just sit in silence since the media ignored him and his only responses were Tucker and Trump?

The food people eat and the pills people take.....

 

[mugatu]

Both-sidesism debunked? Study finds conservatives more anti-democratic, driven by two psychological traits

A new study has found that conservatives exhibit stronger anti-democratic tendencies than liberals, driven by psychological traits like authoritarianism and social dominance orientation.

www.psypost.org

Color me not surprised. Study found both parties are not equally undemocratic.

 

[Polds4OSU]

The growing list of Republicans endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris includes former vice president Dick Cheney, top George W. Bush and Reagan officials and many who served under Donald Trump.

The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) on Threads

The growing list of Republicans endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris includes former vice president Dick Cheney, top George W. Bush and Reagan officials and many who served under Donald Trump.

www.threads.net

 

[Polds4OSU]

After being targeted by three different shootings over a three-week period, Arizona Democratic Party has decided to close one of their field offices in a must-win swing state out of concern for the safety of staff and volunteers.

Democrats close field office in must-win swing state after 3 shootings

After being targeted by three different shootings over a three-week period, Democrats have decided to close one of their field offices in a must-win swing state out of concern for the safety of staff and volunteers.According to USA TODAY, the Arizona Democratic Party is closing a field office in...

www.rawstory.com

 

[inappropriate.name]

Which campaign has the most billionaire donors?

 

[cowboyinexile]

Which campaign has the most billionaire donors?

If I'm guessing it's about a 50/50 split with many of them donating to both.

 

[Donnyboy]

If I'm guessing it's about a 50/50 split with many of them donating to both.

Kamala Harris Has More Billionaires Openly Backing Her Than Trump (But Many Are Staying Silent)

The likes of Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates have shied away from offering endorsements like their ultrarich counterpart Elon Musk, but they have shared some thoughts about the two candidates.

www.forbes.com

I thought that was an interesting question. I would have thought the same as you. Forbes says out of the ones from their list that are publicly supporting a candidate it's 76 - Harris 49 - Trump. Makes sense. The Biden/Harris has been really good to billionaires not as good to the middle class.

 

[TheMonkey]

Makes sense. The Biden/Harris has been really good to billionaires not as good to the middle class.

Two questions I’ll probably regret…

1. Not sure you can draw the conclusion that Biden/Harris policies toward middle class have any impact on whom the billionaires back.

2. Are you saying their policies have been more beneficial to billionaires than Trump’s? He lowered corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%. That expires in 2025 and Harris said she won’t extend it, but would raise it to 28%.

 

[Donnyboy]

Two questions I’ll probably regret…

1. Not sure you can draw the conclusion that Biden/Harris policies toward middle class have any impact on whom the billionaires back.

2. Are you saying their policies have been more beneficial to billionaires than Trump’s? He lowered corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%. That expires in 2025 and Harris said she won’t extend it, but would raise it to 28%.

If you want to go into the details of specific policy we could and there will probably be a lot of disagreement....Covid is the big trigger here and the debate on the handling of that is a whole other ball of wax. When I say it's been a better 4 years for billionaires it has been. It's been a better 4 years for 500thousandaires as well. Inflation impacts lower income households the most....market gains benefit billionaires more than low net worth households. I make a good wage and invest some.....it was hard to find a loser in the market....I make enough to still have money after eggs and gas double.....lots of people don't. The merits of the way the economy has been handled can be debated but markets and banks were protected more than consumers.....businesses got PPP loans they are never gonna pay back teachers/firemen/service industry/etc got 2k. A billionaire get their loans completely different than a say 150K combined income family buying a car....the rate rise hits them way harder. Agree/disagree with what was done I think everyone will agree something had to be done. That result widened the wealth gap. It's been a great 4 years to have working/disposable capital....If it was close to tight you have more month than money now that life is 20+% more expensive.

PPP and stimulus started under Trump so I'm not laying everything at the feet of this administration.....the pain of the policy results of both Trump's last year and Biden/Harris showed up and stayed in the last few years. I don't think anyone actually likes either of these two. People are choosing the lessor of two evils in their eyes. If you are the 150K family above and you used to have money at the end of every month and now you are having to put life on a credit card (and numbers show that's happening) you can handle a lot more of Trump's crap and have less tolerance for Harris' joy campaign. If you are a billionaire and have been riding this market wave it hasn't been as bad and you see more of Trump's lunacy and 4 more years of the same just means you make another billion in the market.

 

[steross]

If you want to go into the details of specific policy we could and there will probably be a lot of disagreement....Covid is the big trigger here and the debate on the handling of that is a whole other ball of wax. When I say it's been a better 4 years for billionaires it has been. It's been a better 4 years for 500thousandaires as well. Inflation impacts lower income households the most....market gains benefit billionaires more than low net worth households. I make a good wage and invest some.....it was hard to find a loser in the market....I make enough to still have money after eggs and gas double.....lots of people don't. The merits of the way the economy has been handled can be debated but markets and banks were protected more than consumers.....businesses got PPP loans they are never gonna pay back teachers/firemen/service industry/etc got 2k. A billionaire get their loans completely different than a say 150K combined income family buying a car....the rate rise hits them way harder. Agree/disagree with what was done I think everyone will agree something had to be done. That result widened the wealth gap. It's been a great 4 years to have working/disposable capital....If it was close to tight you have more month than money now that life is 20+% more expensive.

PPP and stimulus started under Trump so I'm not laying everything at the feet of this administration.....the pain of the policy results of both Trump's last year and Biden/Harris showed up and stayed in the last few years. I don't think anyone actually likes either of these two. People are choosing the lessor of two evils in their eyes. If you are the 150K family above and you used to have money at the end of every month and now you are having to put life on a credit card (and numbers show that's happening) you can handle a lot more of Trump's crap and have less tolerance for Harris' joy campaign. If you are a billionaire and have been riding this market wave it hasn't been as bad and you see more of Trump's lunacy and 4 more years of the same just means you make another billion in the market.

The PPP ended in May 2021, 4 months after Biden entered office.

I'm curious what you feel Biden did to cause inflation and what he could have done to prevent it?