2024 Presidential Election

What would Jesus say if He saw that video? That while on earth that he wished he declared all abortions be banned and that if a woman is dying from her pregnancy, then it's due to God's will that she should never give birth. Anyway, if I was that baby, I would lovingly be wanted when born. I would not want to be born unwanted, unloved with possibly no father to be found.
Probably not just unwanted but also blamed by the mother for ruining her life. No way to live. Unsupported, unloved, uncared for... sounds like a recipe for a person growing up to be a not positive member of society.
 
During Trump's first 4 years, he gave a middle finger to NATO and alienated US allies. He also called top military officials "effing idiots," because they did not support Trump effing up our superpower status via alienating our allies. In return, a top military official called Trump "a terrorist, fascist and a complete moron. Trump is a fascist to the core." Trump is a fool. He severely weakend the US superpower status. He will do it again.

We will soon have a convicted felon as our president. Trump will once again drop his pants and will bend over in front of Putin. I wonder if he'll mock disabled people this go-round. Go to YouTube and type in 'Trump mocking disabled people," and you'll find that Trump is a god damn gigantic pile of shet.

I will edit this post when I'm home from work, because I have so much more to say about this horrific situation we'll soon find ourselves in. I mean , Harris has no business being in the White House either.. but she was by far the better choice between her and Trump
 
To me abortion isn't a political issue.
The technology is out there and rich people will always be able to get them regardless of whatever silly laws.
I don't hate organized religion, but it's a woman's GD choice and if you don't like that, you don't understand science.

I'd love to get abortion out of the political narrative. It's a distraction, not a real issue.
I...can't tell if this post is satire.

Your assertion that "rich people" can get abortions is literally the problem. You know who generally needs more access? Poor people, and people of color.

And organized religion is the entire reason that we're in this spot. Religion and science aren't friends. That's the whole point.

The ENTIRE point is that we, as males, are arguing about what a woman can do with her body. It's not our place! Any law restricting what anybody can do with their own body is wrong. It's women's health...not "what a man can tell a woman to do with her body" health.

You have the luxury to say "it's not a real issue". It's a very real issue, and it's not just about abortion. It's access to critical health care. It's making 50% of this country have to ask permission on how to handle their own body.

I'll say it again for the people in the back: You want less abortion, provide more sex education. Forcing woman to have babies (and make unwilling fathers) is not it.
 
This wouldn’t even be a thing if California, Arizona and a few other states were required to go through a FL/TX school of vote counting. Both TX and FL were at 99% within 8-10 hours. CA and AZ are still sitting around at 55-65% two days after Election Day.
Amen. At this point it's beyond ridiculous.
 
This wouldn’t even be a thing if California, Arizona and a few other states were required to go through a FL/TX school of vote counting. Both TX and FL were at 99% within 8-10 hours. CA and AZ are still sitting around at 55-65% two days after Election Day.

Sure. Maybe. I just don't think you should take things like that and somehow get to stolen election. A lot of people did.
 
Kind of where I was heading with my post. People decided on abortion it's no longer the bigger topic.....it wasn't in the blue wall states. I'm betting the border was a bigger issue for many in AZ. Another issue that killed Harris. She never answered as to why they opened the border and left it open for three years or why the 118B border bill was 90B of foreign military aid. Zona and NV flipped and lost ground in CO,NM, and CA. The dems did a horrible job campaigning and picked the wrong person. They lost 20M votes in the middle of the political spectrum. That's not Trumps fault it's theirs.
The border was never made opened. Instead, the border patrol was overwhelmed by many more thousands wanting in and getting in as in the Chinese who were coming in at a gap at the end of a fence. No border patrol around to stop them. Of course, one may say border was the same as wide open. Trump stopped efforts for more border control, so it will be interesting to see how sincere he is in getting the border under better control. To answer that question independent candidate for president Dr. Shiva said, "F--k no!"
 
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I will edit this post when I'm home from work, because I have so much more to say about this horrific situation we'll soon find ourselves in.

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To me abortion isn't a political issue.
The technology is out there and rich people will always be able to get them regardless of whatever silly laws.
I don't hate organized religion, but it's a woman's GD choice and if you don't like that, you don't understand science.

I'd love to get abortion out of the political narrative. It's a distraction, not a real issue.

While "rich people will always be able to get them regardless of whatever silly laws" (which is self-evidently true), the same is absolutely not true for the non-rich or poor.

It's inherently a political issue.
 
Emotive language is used all the time and that is normal. The problem is that it isn't meant to make policy. If I tell a co-worker who helped me out, "Hey, you're the best!" that doesn't mean that if we were both up for a promotion that I would expect the employer to say "We like you, but you called him 'the best' therefore he is the best, and we have to choose him."

Calling an embryo a baby in common speech is emotive and fine. I don't agree when using it to call people with a different opinion than you "baby murderers."

I’m not disagreeing with you. I would add that when we’re talking policy the issue is personhood, and as I said, I am not as sure about the ethics as I once was.


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Thanks for sharing, I really do appreciate it. I find so, so much wrong with this take, though. I don't want to get into yet another internet argument over it, because it does nothing for me and my mental health. If we're ever in the same place I would gladly sit down with you over a beer and discuss.

I've got to be done for a little bit, though. I'm tired, boss.
 
Already soooo tired of reading on social media that 'God's Will' was done in this election...WTF...if it's God's will, then is this outcome what he wanted or desired for our country? If it is, God hates U.S....
 
The border was never made opened. Instead, the border patrol was overwhelmed by many more thousands wanting in and getting in as in the Chinese who were coming in at a gap at the end of a fence. No border patrol around to stop them. Of course, one may say border was the same as wide open. Trump stopped efforts for more border control, so it will be interesting to see how sincere he is in getting the border under better control. To answer that question independent candidate for president Dr. Shiva said, "F--k no!"
There were gates at the border that were literally welded open. Physically it was open and fused such that the gate could not shut. Among the first actions as president Biden un-did immigration measures Trump had in place. We can argue the effectiveness of the measures that they were reversed cannot be argued. It can be argued that covid had a big part in the dip in crossings that the number of crossings grew to levels never seen cannot be argued. So at a minimum it looks really bad.

Stuff like this is a lot of what cost the dems the election. So many people crossed there aren't accurate counts....the head of DHS couldn't quantify the amount of humanity crossing when testifying before congress. Then a bill was thrown together after it was clear Trump was the opponent 75% of the money applied had nothing to do with the border and instead funded wars that started under the Biden/Harris watch that diplomatic efforts have done very little and are both escalating. That makes it an Ukraine/Israel military spending bill not a border security bill. Then the play was to lay the border problem at Trump's feet. Most people saw through that. A better strategy would have been to say "mistakes were made and we are working to get control of the border and create lasting immigration reform".....but what was said was Trump killed the bill that would fix it and I can't think of anything I would do differently. Both of those were a bad message. This isn't a debate about border control at this point......again millions of people in the middle didn't vote blue this time. They didn't because stuff like this is BS and if you look at it for what it is not "Trump is evil" or "Kamala wants to let millions of votes walk in" and just look at what happened regardless of where you land politically you can see the strategy was flawed.
 
Already soooo tired of reading on social media that 'God's Will' was done in this election...WTF...if it's God's will, then is this outcome what he wanted or desired for our country? If it is, God hates U.S....
Come on PF5 you know no one loves mixed signals like god....
 
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