UrbanCowboy
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BUT HE WATCHED A WHOLE VIDEO! HE'S PERFECTLY QUALIFIED TO VOTE ON THE SUBJECT OF ABORTION.
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UrbanCowboy
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Which parts of the video were inaccurate?
The arguments I hear against abortion are always rooted in the bible and "christianity". I want religion all the way out of my life. I want it to stop directing how I live my life. The world would be a much, MUCH better place if it was unequivocally proven that god doesn't exist (although you people would just find another excuse to hate, molest, murder, and persecute).
You know the best way to prevent abortion? SEX EDUCATION. Not praying to an invisible person in the sky, and certainly not abstinence.
Don't want abortion? Don't get one. But leave your religion our of other peoples lives, ffs.
You know the best way to prevent abortion? SEX EDUCATION. Not praying to an invisible person in the sky, and certainly not abstinence.
Don't want abortion? Don't get one. But leave your religion our of other peoples lives, ffs.
Whether you call it a baby, which my daughter did while she was pregnant, and she favors abortion being legal, or you use the clinically correct terms zygote/embryo/fetus is irrelevant to the discussion, because the question is ultimately about personhood. I am still a pro-life Christian, but in my studies in bioethics my understanding of the ethics of personhood is… evolving and all I can say is that right now I am not as entirely sure as I once was. I once was against abortion in all circumstances except rape and to save the life of the mother, but would also ask why an innocent would pay a penalty for a rape they didn’t commit. Now I at least understand the ethical argument from pro-lifers who believe that abortion should be legal at least early in pregnancy for safety reasons and no longer see this as ethically inconsistent, even if I haven’t quite accepted the position myself.
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I 100% agree with you on this.
Not just miscarriage, the vast majority, somewhere around 80%, of conceptions never implant. Of those that implant about 50% miscarry.
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It's stupid comments like this that do more harm than good to the pro life argument. It tells me you are more concerned about political arguments than what actually happens to an unborn child.
If you are going to treat "murdered children" as political fodder you should really be ashamed of yourself.
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I haven't watched it. I'm not a doctor. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know more than doctors after watching a 15 minute video. I don't like abortion, I don't want there to be any - but I want that choice to happen between women and their health care professionals, not me. I feel the exact same about euthanasia for the elderly or terminally ill or vaccines. I wish we didn't have to do any of those things. But I trust that the doctors who have studied for decades have my best interest at heart.
You know who I don't trust? The government. Particularly on matters of what people can and can't do.
It's stupid comments like "womens right to choose" without giving any consideration to the baby that make it a political argument at all.
So your critical of a video that you didn't even watch?
Emotive language is used all the time and that is normal. The problem is that it isn't meant to make policy. If I tell a co-worker who helped me out, "Hey, you're the best!" that doesn't mean that if we were both up for a promotion that I would expect the employer to say "We like you, but you called him 'the best' therefore he is the best, and we have to choose him."
Calling an embryo a baby in common speech is emotive and fine. I don't agree when using it to call people with a different opinion than you "baby murderers."
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If you value all life but recognize you aren't the ultimate authority on how that is dictated, if we are being binary that makes you pro choice. I think that terminology is too simplistic for the issue though.
I believe abortion on demand is a moral evil but also understand that my morality isn't the same as everyone else's. I also understand that being truly pro life is more than just being anti abortion. A life is a life regardless of if it is in the womb or not. That includes lives that other segments of society may not deem as important, but they are still lives. It's what really bothers me about people who claim to be pro life (see my previous post in this thread) and those who see this as just another political topic. They will scream to the heavens about unborn children but have no problem turning their back on them once they are born. Abortion is a complex, grey issue and regardless of what you believe I feel there are instances of it that everyone can agree is wrong and everyone can agree is justifiable (ex-ectopic pregnancy). Everyone differs on what is and isnt though, so it doesn't make sense to draw a line and say if you are on one side you are a baby killer and if you are on the other you want to live in Gilead.
You are never going to see the point. If you want to change abortion in this country, you need to convince people your cause is just. Going out of your way to piss them off because actually starting a dialog is outside of your mental capacity doesn't help things.
Dialog means talking if you didn't understand the word.
To me abortion isn't a political issue.
The technology is out there and rich people will always be able to get them regardless of whatever silly laws.
I don't hate organized religion, but it's a woman's GD choice and if you don't like that, you don't understand science.
I'd love to get abortion out of the political narrative. It's a distraction, not a real issue.
The technology is out there and rich people will always be able to get them regardless of whatever silly laws.
I don't hate organized religion, but it's a woman's GD choice and if you don't like that, you don't understand science.
I'd love to get abortion out of the political narrative. It's a distraction, not a real issue.
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I love this because they aren't even done counting.
