Who Should OSU Hire as Next Basketball Head Coach?

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PorcupinePoke said:
We aren't hiring a coach with a buyout over 1-2 million. Zero chance. I say get a young up and coming assistant from a successful program. Very likely under a million buyout. I know that is not done as often in basketball, but we can't afford to do much. Also if we get him cheaper that helps justify the change as the value compounds over the next year or three.
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We tried the up and coming assistant approach, and well... here we are. I think we need a proven head coach, but the $ (NIL, buyout for HCMB, buyout for incoming coach, salary for incoming coach) is definitely an THE issue.

I agree with your second post about football success being critical in the next 5+ years.
 
LS1 Z28 said:
I was really surprised when I saw that KU’s athletic department made $14M more than ours last year. I thought the revenue would be pretty similar since we have a better football program and they have a better basketball program.

There's no doubt we’re leaving millions on the table every year by having an empty arena and cheap tickets. It may not be easy to find a successful coach, but it's necessary.
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I don't care about pedigree or coaching trees.

Find me a guy who's won championships at any college level. That person has been through it. He's made the tough calls and the right calls in the heat of battle. He knows what he's doing.
 
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LS1 Z28 said:
I was really surprised when I saw that KU’s athletic department made $14M more than ours last year. I thought the revenue would be pretty similar since we have a better football program and they have a better basketball program.

There's no doubt we’re leaving millions on the table every year by having an empty arena and cheap tickets. It may not be easy to find a successful coach, but it's necessary.
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The other day, an OSU guy on X tried to tell me that Basketball isn't a revenue sport. I stated that it was and that we are leaving a lot of money on the table by not getting back to where we were.

He thought NIL was the only way and that NIL will make us a great team again. We are stuck with Boynton, so donate anyway.

My argument was that there are plenty of 50+ year olds with increasing amounts of disposable income as they become empty nesters. Those people remember the glory days and the NIL money will come when there is a coaching change, but not before.
 
Runs Deep said:
Remember if we buy him out and hire a current head coach we will need money for his buyout too. Do you think we have $10 million or more this year?
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This was the same thing that got bandied about when Ford was here, and we're in the same boat: Yes, of course there'll be a buyout and then a new contract for the next guy, and YES, when fan interest/investment gets this low there's nowhere else to go but down if you stick with what you've got. There's also the fact that, like an NFL QB, the next guy's not going to somehow be cheaper iin tomorrow's dollars versus ripping the band-aid off now. As LZ pointed out, there's also the $$$ you're not seeing today and you'll never get back.
 
PJ-OSU said:
We tried the up and coming assistant approach, and well... here we are. I think we need a proven head coach, but the $ (NIL, buyout for HCMB, buyout for incoming coach, salary for incoming coach) is definitely an THE issue.

I agree with your second post about football success being critical in the next 5+ years.
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I would much rather have that too. What I'm proposing is a way to MAYBE make it work in light of the current limitations. We have to be realistic. What would you rather have? Another year of Boynton or what I proposed?

Also, we didn't "try that already". We hired Boynton from within when we were just a moderately successful program. Underwood was here for just one year. He went 20–13 and lost in the opening round of the tournament. I would not call that a "successful program". I'm saying we should higher an up and coming assistant from within very successful basketball program. Like Kansas or Houston. Someone used to a culture of winning at a high level.

The only way we can make this financially work is by going after the people others are not. That does not mean bad. That just means more work and possibly more risk. However, I don't feel like it is risking much considering where our program is right now.
 
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Also, I'm sure it is true that we have NIL issues with basketball, but that is a VERY new thing. Boynton has recruited very very well in his time at OSU and has CONSISTENTLY done very little with that. We have highly recruited players on the team right now and are finishing tied for last in the conference. It is a VERY dumb argument. All more NIL would do is keep our recruiting from getting worse due. It won't fix the problem we already have.
 
VaPoke said:
Can you explain why this?
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There is absolutely no way any one AD and President team could have made this many awful choices that would lead to the total decimation of a single program while elevating other programs. Absolutely no way. I’m not blaming our current AD and President
 
andylicious said:
There is absolutely no way any one AD and President team could have made this many awful choices that would lead to the total decimation of a single program while elevating other programs. Absolutely no way. I’m not blaming our current AD and President
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It is a shit-show. The current AD needs to earn the ~$750k salary that he is paid.
 
VaPoke said:
Can you explain why this?
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There was a serious and well documented animus between Mike Holder, and anything named Sutton. I don’t think it’s worth rehashing on another board another time. But there was absolutely no love lost between Mike Holder and the Suttons.

That said, Brad Underwood wanted one additional year and $1 million extra on his contract after year one. And because of his screwup with the Ford contract, he couldn’t pull the trigger with Underwood. I guarantee every single one of you had we spent that $1 million and done the extension Brad Underwood would still be our coach today.
 
There were several in the athletic department and connected to it that did not like Underwood because he was to hard core and old school, chirping that his treatment of his players was borderline abusive. I am sure that tightened the purse strings.
 
007Poke said:
There were several in the athletic department and connected to it that did not like Underwood because he was to hard core and old school, chirping that his treatment of his players was borderline abusive. I am sure that tightened the purse strings.
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He was a jerk and you could hear the f word in the parking lot
 
The mistake holder made was not responding to the narrative that we won’t pay. We just wouldn’t pay him. His exit made things really hard because holder wouldn’t bash him to take back the narrative. So we had nobody apply
 
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