Don't move the goalposts. You said military detaining citizens is "ILLEGAL", it's still not.
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And just for the record, I have absolutely no problem at all with organizing protests against things you feel strongly about.
This group is trying to do it right, but their non-violence disclaimer will go unheeded by some who will try to make it a riot.
The narcissist doesn't need or deserve a military parade for his narcissistic birthday.
This group is trying to do it right, but their non-violence disclaimer will go unheeded by some who will try to make it a riot.
The narcissist doesn't need or deserve a military parade for his narcissistic birthday.
JTOSU
Ranger
Criticism below is not what you posted before the article, but only about the article you included and how it was written.I'm not sure who said anything like "you don't know their story."
There is a huge difference between "I can understand how that happened" and "I am condoning/defending that happening."
You are pretty passionate about college football. When I would explain it to Australians, they would be like "You pay all that money to watch students play football? I don't get it." It makes sense that you wouldn't get this protest given you and your family are at no risk from the thing they are protesting. And, I agree with you that some on both sides look bad. But, I don't agree they have no message.
L.A. protesters say they are speaking up for immigrant ‘family.’
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Protesters in Los Angeles on Sunday.Credit...Gabriela Bhaskar/The New York Times
Some donned bandannas and goggles, and others simply wore their purple union T-shirts. Many scribbled messages on pieces of cardboard or grabbed their phones and cued up a livestream. Then they rolled out — on foot or on skateboards or scooters — to the streets of Los Angeles.
While there were those who set out to cause mayhem, light fires and confront officers, many more of the protesters who have rallied across the region in recent days have been peaceful.
“I’m trying to show my son what it looks like when community comes together,” said Nicole Garcia, 35, an Uber driver who wore a veil and painted her face to look like a skull to honor the Mexican Day of the Dead. She said she brought her 15-year-old son to his first protest in downtown Los Angeles on Sunday to support their immigrant friends and neighbors “because they’re family.”
The protests in Los Angeles have attracted a vast universe of demonstrators.
Some have been seasoned immigrant rights activists who marched in 1994 against Proposition 187, the state measure that would have severely curbed immigrants’ rights in California. Others have been union members who show up at rallies to boost the minimum wage or to celebrate workers on May Day. Some have been young people who learned on social media about the immigration raids, and who gravitated toward them to help detainees in whom they saw reflections of themselves or their parents.
In the past, the city’s mass protests have been inspired by solidarity with communities across the country, or even around the world. The death of George Floyd, a Black man, while in police custody resonated with hundreds of thousands of Angelenos who protested for racial justice in 2020, even though he was murdered in Minnesota. When protests at the University of California, Los Angeles, and the University of Southern California erupted in chaos last year, it was because students had felt compelled to sound an alarm for Palestinians under Israeli bombardment in Gaza, more than 7,000 miles away.
But for many of the thousands of demonstrators who have joined rallies, marches and spontaneous protests since the cluster of immigration raids began on Friday, their cause is intensely personal.
That was true for Lillian Washington, 29, an Angeleno who works for the nonprofit Community Coalition and whose in-laws are immigrants from Guanajuato, Mexico. She attended a rally in downtown Los Angeles to free David Huerta, the local labor leader who was violently arrested while protesting a raid on Friday. (He has since been released on bond.)
Victor M. Gordo, the Mexico-born mayor of Pasadena, joined an impromptu rally on Sunday outside a hotel in his city where immigration agents had stayed the night before, because he remembered the fear that his own parents would be deported following an immigration raid.
Hector Galeano, 25, carried a large flag — half Guatemalan and half American — to the rally for Mr. Huerta on Monday, expressing strong ties to both countries.
“Some of my family and a lot of people out here aren’t able to be a voice themselves. They don’t have a voice at the moment — they are literally scared,” Mr. Galeano said. “Thankfully, I’m a citizen. I’m here being the voice they can’t have right now.”
Other protesters said they wanted to speak up after hearing their family members back the president’s immigration enforcement policies — even if their own loved ones could be targeted.
Noel Becerra, 26, quickly wrote a sign referring to the 2019 massacre of 23 people at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, before heading to a protest in the small city of Paramount on Saturday.
The gunman, who in 2023 pleaded guilty to hate crimes, had sought out his victims, Mr. Becerra’s sign said in all caps, “specifically because they looked like you!”
It continued: “He killed citizens and migrants and you stand here defending his ideology!”
Mr. Becerra, an artist and art handler, said the message was directed at Latino law enforcement officers, including some of his own relatives.
“It’s as if they forgot their own past,” he said. “Because I can tell you with confidence, at least some of the brown men in that line over there — their parents, their grandparents, someone in their family — did not come here the right way.”
He gestured toward the officers who had been clashing with protesters. At least one of them had shot a projectile through his sign.
Jesus Jiménez contributed reporting.
If I did not know the context of the article, I would understand and agree with most of it. But almost every time the word “immigrant” is used, they are talking about “illegal immigrants”, but the author appears to purposely not include the word “illegal”. There is a massive difference between immigrants who properly entered the country and those that wanted to jump the line and not follow regulations.
Personal opinion: I personally feel this way, but many polls (Pew - Jan ‘24; Texas Policy Project - April 2024; CBS News - June 2024) show this as well…although Hispanic citizens have an understandable strong support for immigrants, most do not agree with illegal immigration. These are citizens that went through the process, sometimes not easy…and often times lengthy, to become a citizen of the United States.
I think debating how Trump is executing the strategy to deport illegal immigrants is absolutely fair. But too many people, especially white liberals, forget or don’t realize most Hispanic citizens support deportation of illegal immigrants. Many white liberals are now calling for the end of ICE, border security, etc. The author Jesus Jimenez certainly has a right to his opinion, but he should be more honest in his reporting…and realize his view is a minority among Hispanic citizens.
PF5
Sheriff
why would it matter what ´most´ Hispanic citizens think about deportation to white liberals?
ICE is out of control...actually not a full thought out process of rounding up illegals...it seems as though it was ´go arrest illegals´ without any training or plan...
and personally I am against deporting people who are established in a community and paying taxes and going to school and etc.
Jesus Cruz polished luxury cars at an LA car wash for a decade. Then ICE showed up
The BBC obtained CCTV footage of a raid at a Los Angeles car wash that shows how President Trump's immigration crackdown has ramped up.
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How do you know the status of the people in the article?
Are we going to use this "illegal" determination for all involved in the system that has brought all these illegal immigrants here, or just the immigrants? Walmart, virtually all the meat packers, landscapers, painters, contractors etc have at some point broken the law and hired these workers. If we are going to denote the legality of people's actions each time they are mentioned, the companies that hired illegal immigrants should be called illegal companies, correct?
I have not seen a poll, but it would be a pretty easy guess that the companies that do not break the law would be in favor of forcing the illegal companies to follow the laws.
JTOSU
Ranger
100% agree that companies that hired illegal immigrants should face punishment.
PF5
Sheriff
Who has been arrested by ICE under Trump?
Tens of thousands of people have been detained since Trump took office, including permanent residents.
www.bbc.com
Stillwater Townie
Ranger
How are you going to mass deport 51,000 illegal immigrants now under detention, let alone 10 million or more in addition to that? What if Canada and Mexico say, "You're not dumping them here."Who has been arrested by ICE under Trump?
Tens of thousands of people have been detained since Trump took office, including permanent residents.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
President Trump has cited the chief of the LAPD when it comes to bypassing Gov. Newsom and deploying the National Guard.
But Chief Jim MCDonnell tells me tonight, "We’re nowhere near a level where we would be reaching out to the governor for the National Guard."
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But Chief Jim MCDonnell tells me tonight, "We’re nowhere near a level where we would be reaching out to the governor for the National Guard."
Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) on Threads
President Trump has cited the chief of the LAPD when it comes to bypassing Gov. Newsom and deploying the National Guard. But Chief Jim MCDonnell tells me tonight, "We’re nowhere near a level where we would be reaching out to the governor for the National Guard."
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Stillwater Townie
Ranger
Trump should also add that he also wants to go after the employers that have been hiring illegal immigrants. But why does it seem that rarely has been done? Have employers been paying off LE and/or politicans to leave them alone?
Polds4OSU
Marshall
White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller reportedly engineered the raids that sparked the protests engulfing LA in recent days—likely because he wanted a pretext to send in federal troops.
In an intense meeting at ICE headquarters last month, Miller repeatedly told officers to do “what they needed to do."
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In an intense meeting at ICE headquarters last month, Miller repeatedly told officers to do “what they needed to do."
Stephen Miller Behind Draconian Orders That Set Off L.A. Protests
Miller reportedly engineered the raids that sparked the protests that have engulfed the city in recent days—likely because he wanted a pretext to send in federal troops.
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Polds4OSU
Marshall
National Guard troops and Marines deployed to Los Angeles are “deeply troubled” about the assignment and feel like they have become “political pawns.” They’re sleeping on concrete floors with no beds, not enough toilets, no funds for food or water, and morale is low.
“The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for.”
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“The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for.”
Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) on Threads
National Guard troops and Marines deployed to Los Angeles are “deeply troubled” about the assignment and feel like they have become “political pawns.” They’re sleeping on concrete floors with no beds, not enough toilets, no funds for food or water, and morale is low. “The sentiment across the...
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Polds4OSU
Marshall
The chief of the Los Angeles Police Department shot down Donald Trump’s claim that he asked the president to send in the National Guard to help control immigration protests in the city.
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The chief of the Los Angeles Police Department shot down Donald Trump’s claim that he asked the president to send in the National Guard to help control immigration protests in the city.
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PF5
Sheriff
Federal immigration raid at Omaha meat production plant sparks protests
OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — Immigration authorities raided an Omaha meat production plant Tuesday morning and took dozens of workers away in buses, leaving company officials bewildered because they said the…
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This $h!t is why most people are protesting!
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