Governments and corporations behave as sociopaths. If you applied their behaviors to a human being you would get Charles Manson in a suit.
Trump 2024 Run Thread
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Chicken/egg. One conspiracy I do believe is that it's in the two parties' (maybe just one?) best interest to keep us divided and thinking of each other as enemies. And that they use the media to do so. BUT that they're preying on the innate human need for in-groups and fear of out-groups. In other words, they're filling a demand and the population keeps buying what they're selling. If we didn't, they'd lose power. Unfortunately our monkey brains won't let us think rationally when fear is involved.
Interesting take from Dimon.
Can't argue with anything there. But Trump's policies were never why he was a dangerous person to have as president.
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I work in the defense industry and as far as war goes, I don't think things would be any different with Trump. Ukraine and Israel still would have happened. The difference there is that we probably would not be providing as much support as we are. At least not to Ukraine which would have been very bad IMHO.
As for a US involved war. That is pretty much just a threat with China invading Taiwan. Under trump I don't think they would be any less likely to invade. The policy concerning China really didn't change much under Biden. However, if China does attack Taiwan, I think we might be less likely to come to their aid under Trump. Not significantly, but less.
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I'm convinced he was willing to do whatever he could get away with. He wanted Pence to not certify the Election results. I don't believe for a second he really thinks there was fraud. I think he is a pathological liar who says whatever he thinks will allow him to "win".
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You may be right but Putin has wanted to do this in Ukraine for the last three prior admins and didn’t budge…..we gave Iran billions now the whole region that was pretty much silent during Trump is popping off and we are under undeniably the weakest leader we have had at least in my lifetime. We trade athletes for arm dealers….we buy hostages from terrorist states. I could be wrong but none of the reasons for what’s going on are new. A guy with dementia at the wheel is. In my opinion the only redeeming quality Trump has heading into this is people are scared of him….not a good personality trait but the world was more at peace under Trump than it has been in a long time because no one knows what that whack job will do. He might do nothing and let you run over Ukraine, he might impose sanctions that crush you even if it does the same to allies economies, he might drop all the bombs on you. Either way you aren’t getting him in a proxy war a price tag in the hundreds of billions and you won’t shoot at our troops and get a measured response.
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I’m sorry, but this is insanity to me.
Trump’s only redeeming quality was that he was a whack job to the extent we (and anyone else) had no idea how or when he might respond militarily and whether any response would be measured or even rational?
Really?
More at peace during Trump that ever in a long time? Syria? Afghanistan (it was his peace agreement that set the hard deadline for all troop removal)? At least 4 documented terrorist attacks by middle eastern fundamentalists on US Soil during his administration?
I would think we would all want a rational, measured, reliable President with his finger on military trigger….not a whack job (your words…not mine).
I’m not saying Biden is any better. He’s not. You accurately (IMO) called Biden out for dementia and then turn around and try to characterize being a whack job with a finger on the nuclear button as a positive, redeeming quality for Trump.
That’s crazy.
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PorcupinePoke
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This is my first dip into the politics forum here and I have to say I am very pleasantly surprised. At least so far I've seen no extremism here. Everyone is very thoughtful and level headed. It is such a breath of fresh air compared to what I normally hear on politics.
It is crazy..... I don't want a whack job. Our choices appear to be whack job or someone that belongs in a home. I'm saying if I had to go up against America and my opponent is a Trump led America or Biden led America give me Biden every time. That guy is lost and if you take hostages first he'll pay for it or ship/leave you weapons. We all do want a rational, measurable, reliable president.....no one on the ballot will fit that criteria so give me the guy people are scared of as it pertains to this particular topic alone over the guy everyone knows is weak as a kitten.
Any Digital Currency fans out there? Trump Vows to NEVER allow the US central bank to adopt a digital currency.
ormer President Donald Trump, on Wednesday, spoke against the idea of the United States adopting a Central Bank Digital Currency.
What Happened: During a campaign stop in New Hampshire, Trump said, “Tonight I’m also making another promise to protect Americans from government tyranny. I will never allow the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency.”
The crowd showed their approval with applause. Trump reacted by saying, “I didn't know you know so much … New Hampshire, very smart people.”
Trump continued to explain his concerns: “Such a currency would give a federal government, our federal government, the absolute control over your money … they could take your money and you wouldn't even know it was gone.”
He concluded by calling this a threat to freedom and promised to prevent it from happening in America. "You know what they’re doing such a currency we give a federal government our federal government the absolute control over your money they could take your money would you wouldn’t even know is gone. This would be a dangerous threat to freedom."
Trump’s promise comes as he is running for president again, with the election set for November 5, 2024. Before him, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, another Republican candidate, made a similar statement against central bank digital currencies.
Why It Matters: This development takes place at a time when pro-Bitcoin (CRYPTO: BTC) Republican candidate Vivek Ramaswamy dropped out of the race after the Iowa results, where he received about 8% of the votes. He has now shown his support for Trump.
Price Action: At the time of writing, Bitcoin was trading at $42,662 down 0.15% in the last 24 hours, according to Benzinga Pro.
Trump Promises Never To Allow CBDCs In US, Says He Will 'Protect Americans From Government Tyranny'
ormer President Donald Trump, on Wednesday, spoke against the idea of the United States adopting a Central Bank Digital Currency.
What Happened: During a campaign stop in New Hampshire, Trump said, “Tonight I’m also making another promise to protect Americans from government tyranny. I will never allow the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency.”
The crowd showed their approval with applause. Trump reacted by saying, “I didn't know you know so much … New Hampshire, very smart people.”
Trump continued to explain his concerns: “Such a currency would give a federal government, our federal government, the absolute control over your money … they could take your money and you wouldn't even know it was gone.”
He concluded by calling this a threat to freedom and promised to prevent it from happening in America. "You know what they’re doing such a currency we give a federal government our federal government the absolute control over your money they could take your money would you wouldn’t even know is gone. This would be a dangerous threat to freedom."
Trump’s promise comes as he is running for president again, with the election set for November 5, 2024. Before him, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, another Republican candidate, made a similar statement against central bank digital currencies.
Why It Matters: This development takes place at a time when pro-Bitcoin (CRYPTO: BTC) Republican candidate Vivek Ramaswamy dropped out of the race after the Iowa results, where he received about 8% of the votes. He has now shown his support for Trump.
Price Action: At the time of writing, Bitcoin was trading at $42,662 down 0.15% in the last 24 hours, according to Benzinga Pro.
Um..I think you have miss remembered some actual historical Facts.
..Putin invaded and illegally annexed Ukrainian region of Crimea in in 2014
Trump took Russia’s side when the conflict began
A popular revolution in 2014 ousted the pro-Russia regime in Kyiv, which was led by President Viktor Yanukovych, and replaced it with a Western-leaning government. Russian troops soon invaded the Ukrainian territory of Crimea, initiating the armed conflict that escalated this year.
Within weeks, Trump praised Putin for how he handled the takeover of Crimea and predicted that “the rest of Ukraine will fall … fairly quickly.” Echoing Kremlin propaganda, Trump said in a TV interview that the Crimean people “would rather be with Russia,” a position he also pushed in private. One of his 2016 campaign aides falsely claimed that “Russia did not seize Crimea.”
“Trump said that Crimea is Russian, because people speak Russian,” said Elena Petukhova of Molfar, a Kyiv-based business intelligence firm, who called it an “absolutely pro-Kremlin” view. “According to this logic, the entire territory of the United States should belong to Great Britain.”
When Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine shot down a commercial airliner in 2014, killing 298 people, Trump sowed doubt about Russia’s involvement. He embraced Putin’s denials, even after US and European officials publicly concluded that Russia was complicit.
Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort – who had spent a decade advising Yanukovych in Ukraine – collaborated in 2016 with a Russian spy on a secret plan for Trump to help Russia control eastern Ukraine, according to special counsel Robert Mueller’s report. The proposal envisioned that Yanukovych would return to lead a Russian puppet state in eastern Ukraine.
This pro-Russian rhetoric didn’t always translate into policy for the Trump White House. For instance, his administration said sanctions would continue until Russia returned Crimea. But the rhetoric gave Putin an unexpected cheerleader in DC and created tensions within NATO.
The US had an agreement with Iran that was keeping everything in Check. Trump removed the agreement and said he could make a Much better deal and then NEVER DID make another deal with Iran
On Iran
On September 8, 2015, President Obama secured the last three votes to win Senate passage of his historic agreement with Iran, locking in the ability to ensure Iran remained a nuclear weapons free nation. The agreement had been years in the making. Obama had rallied the world to enact a system of crippling economic sanctions on Iran, and then, defying the odds, had united Europe, China, and Russia behind a diplomatic strategy that eventually won an agreement for Iran to roll back its nuclear research and allow unprecedented international inspections of its program.
That same day, presidential candidate Donald Trump authored an op-ed in USA Today eviscerating this massive diplomatic breakthrough. Trump confidently declared that if elected President, he would do better: “A Trump presidency will force the Iranians back to the bargaining table to make a much better deal.”
Once President, Trump’s closest national security advisors begged him not to tear up the deal. They told him the deal was working. Iran had lived up to its promises, shut down major parts of its nuclear program, and allowed the inspectors in. And that unlikely coalition Obama had constructed on Iran policy—America, Europe, China and Russia—was now assembled and ready to get to work on Iran’s other malevolent behavior, like its support for terrorist groups in the region. America was safer with the deal in place, they told him.
But Trump didn’t listen. He scrapped the deal and reimposed sanctions. Not a single other nation joined him, and the other nations in Obama’s coalition took Iran’s side and did their best to help Iran avoid the impact of Trump’s reapplied sanctions. To make matters worse, Iran began to restart parts of its dormant nuclear research program. Within a few years, experts estimated the time it would take Iran to enrich enough weapons-grade uranium for a nuclear weapon (the “breakout time”) had dropped from a year to two months. Iran stepped up other provocative actions, ordering its proxy armies in Iraq to start shooting again at U.S. troops there—after halting such attacks during Obama’s term.
And, of course, Trump made no effort to find that “better deal.” His second Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, scribbled out a non-sensical list of twelve demands that Iran needed to meet to even begin negotiations, knowing that Iran could never agree to most items. As Trump’s term dragged on, Iran’s nuclear research program grew, their attacks on U.S. forces continued, and their destabilizing activity in the Middle East increased. Trump’s Iran policy proved to be a complete, unconditional fiasco.
What could possibly go wrong.
Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts
Canada's prime minister says police will also be given "more tools" to imprison or fine demonstrators.
www.bbc.com
This is a story about freezing personal bank accounts of individuals and has NOTHING to do at all with a Digital Currency (the items in this article could actually happen in the US right now without any hint of digital currency.)What could possibly go wrong.
Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts
Canada's prime minister says police will also be given "more tools" to imprison or fine demonstrators.
i'm more worried about those who will lose their investments should Trump win. 17% of Americans are currently invested in Digital currency and 31% of Americans between the ages of 18-29 are invested in and use Digital currency.
If the US doesn't adopt and lead this Digital revolution in currency someone else will (China) and the Dollar will devalue because of it and large portions of American's invested in it will be investing their money in OTHER countries outside of America
Thus the end of America holding a global strangle hold on the currency market and losing its leadership position.
How about not supporting either one on the ballot?
But addressing your false dichotomy....and assuming and accepting your characterization as accurate for the sake of argument...further....
If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to pick between a "lost" candidate that would pay for hostages with arms and/or money and a whack job candidate that might destroy our allies and possibly the entire world in a temper tantrum.....I'm picking the one that is least likely to destroy the entire world in a temper tantrum.
To put it in your exact words....
Picking the "whack job" guy "people" [including myself] are scared of as it pertains to "this particular topic alone" [uncontrolled, irrational, unmeasured violence/violent responses] over the "weak as a kitten guy" seems crazy to me.
Picking the "whack job" that would have the power to end up destroying your allies and even the world over the guy you know isn't going to resort to destroying the world because he is "weak as a kitten" seems like signing up for potential self-immolation just so we can appear to be tough guys to the world.
Yeah, this is a weird argument even for Donny. Even so, Trump's negative effect domestically far outweighs the "positive" effect of his unpredictability in international affairs.
My point is that once they force the entire banking system into their digital currency (eventually cashless society), and they will, they will be able to freeze you out of the financial system with a keystroke. You seem to be under the impression that CBDC is the same as crypto. It most definitely is not. I'm not against decentralized digital currency (crypto) and I don't think that's what Trump is referring to . I am, however, very much opposed to giving the federal govt any more control over our personal finances.
