Oklahoma is going backwards

But what about private religious schools that believe under God that there is only a need to post a cross, rather than the Ten Commandments in their classrooms? Will they be denied taxpayer dollars until they do? If so, won't that go against the 1st Amendment?

 
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But what about private religious schools that believe under God that there is only a need to post a cross, rather than the Ten Commandments in their classrooms? Will they be denied taxpayer dollars until they do? If so, won't that go against the 1st Amendment?

his resurrected bill to display the Ten Commandments (I see what they did here...lol)

“The Ten Commandments is one of our founding documents,” Olsen said. “It was integral and central to the life of the founders and to our people in general during the founding of the nation, and for us to give our children an honest history of how things really were, I think that needs to be included.” (yeah, let's teach 'honest history of how things really were', US has it's skeletons; don't try to hide them in the closet)
 
empathy is a lost art in our society...seriously, what is wrong with conservatives?...
Surely, Republican reps representing Oklahoma City and Tulsa will vote no on the bill, to reduce the possibility of more homeless people coming there. That would be an indirect way of showing empathy.

Since it's a local town by town government situation, probably state law should stay out of it.
 
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his resurrected bill to display the Ten Commandments (I see what they did here...lol)

“The Ten Commandments is one of our founding documents,” Olsen said. “It was integral and central to the life of the founders and to our people in general during the founding of the nation, and for us to give our children an honest history of how things really were, I think that needs to be included.” (yeah, let's teach 'honest history of how things really were', US has it's skeletons; don't try to hide them in the closet)
He's wrong. The Ten Commandments is a founding document of ancient Israel, not the USA. As for how things really were, I don't recall some of the commandments made into law, such as a ban on making idols or to covet. If the Ten Commandments were usually posted in public schools, then he is advocating for the return of that tradition. What is needed a lot worse is to post the Bill of Rights in the Oklahoma State Capitol.
 
Marriage and child incentive bills look to curb divorce rate kfor

A lawmaker is proposing two laws involving marriage. One incentivizes it, the other, he says, will curb the state’s divorce rate, which ranks fifth in the country.

However, opponents say this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

One proposal requires couples to attend marriage counseling before they can file for divorce.

The other gives a tax credit to married couples with kids, as long as it is their biological child.

“What’s very hard about these bills is that they’re very clearly trying to set up what is a ‘good marriage’ versus a ‘less appropriate marriage,'” Shannon Fleck, Oklahoma Faith Network Director, said.

Oklahoma is considered one of the worst states when it comes to tying the knot. Nearly one out of every 100 marriages ends in divorce.

“Marriage, I think, has been degraded so much that it’s now one of the flimsiest and most trivial contracts that exist,” Sen. Dusty Deevers (R-Elgin) said. “It’s one of the very few legal contracts, that I’m aware of, that you can actually break at any time for any reason.”

For this reason, Deevers is filing two bills.

“The Covenant Marriage Act allows people to opt into a marriage that is more along the lines of what marriage is supposed to be, which is ’til death do us part,'” Deevers said.

Senate Bill 228, known as the Covenant Marriage Act, would require couples to sign a declaration of intent upon marriage.

It also makes it harder to get a divorce. Any struggle during the marriage would require counseling.

The only way a divorce would be granted is if a spouse can prove abandonment of at least a year, or abuse, or adultery.

Opponents of the bill, like Reverend Shannon Fleck, who holds a doctorate in ministry, believe this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

“Couples make choices in their relationship,” Fleck said. “They journey through life together, and life is hard. The choices we make with our partner, our spouse, our family, our siblings, our friends are ours to make. The state doesn’t have a stake in marriage except for the legality pieces.”

Then there’s Senate Bill 328, the Promote Child Thriving Act. Deevers says the goal is to keep a two-parent household intact for the child’s sake.

“Where there is a marriage that’s intact, and a mother and a father in the home, the children thrive in their mental health, their emotional health, their physical health,” Deevers said.

The bill also includes an incentive:

$500 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father while they’re still married;


$1,000 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father who said ‘I do’ before having children.

“I think the language used in this bill that’s providing a tax credit, it keeps on saying a natural marriage, a natural marriage, we know what they mean by that,” Fleck said.


This means if there is a step parent, same sex couple, a child was adopted, or any case where a kid is not the biological child of the married couple, you are not eligible.

“It is creating bills that set up what is good versus what is not good,” Fleck said. They do that with intention because, inevitably, they will be the ones who get to decide who gets benefits, who gets legality, who gets money, and who gets resources.”

When asked specifically about this, Deevers said, “I’d have to look into it further.”

Fleck says this answer is worrisome for her for what may come.

“I think people in Oklahoma need to be mindful of bills like this because Christian nationalism does this,” Fleck said.

The Covenant Marriage Act nearly became law back in 2013 when then Senator Josh Brecheen wrote a similar bill, but it did not pass.

Currently, three states have this distinct kind of marriage.
 
Marriage and child incentive bills look to curb divorce rate kfor

A lawmaker is proposing two laws involving marriage. One incentivizes it, the other, he says, will curb the state’s divorce rate, which ranks fifth in the country.

However, opponents say this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

One proposal requires couples to attend marriage counseling before they can file for divorce.

The other gives a tax credit to married couples with kids, as long as it is their biological child.

“What’s very hard about these bills is that they’re very clearly trying to set up what is a ‘good marriage’ versus a ‘less appropriate marriage,'” Shannon Fleck, Oklahoma Faith Network Director, said.

Oklahoma is considered one of the worst states when it comes to tying the knot. Nearly one out of every 100 marriages ends in divorce.

“Marriage, I think, has been degraded so much that it’s now one of the flimsiest and most trivial contracts that exist,” Sen. Dusty Deevers (R-Elgin) said. “It’s one of the very few legal contracts, that I’m aware of, that you can actually break at any time for any reason.”

For this reason, Deevers is filing two bills.

“The Covenant Marriage Act allows people to opt into a marriage that is more along the lines of what marriage is supposed to be, which is ’til death do us part,'” Deevers said.

Senate Bill 228, known as the Covenant Marriage Act, would require couples to sign a declaration of intent upon marriage.

It also makes it harder to get a divorce. Any struggle during the marriage would require counseling.

The only way a divorce would be granted is if a spouse can prove abandonment of at least a year, or abuse, or adultery.

Opponents of the bill, like Reverend Shannon Fleck, who holds a doctorate in ministry, believe this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

“Couples make choices in their relationship,” Fleck said. “They journey through life together, and life is hard. The choices we make with our partner, our spouse, our family, our siblings, our friends are ours to make. The state doesn’t have a stake in marriage except for the legality pieces.”

Then there’s Senate Bill 328, the Promote Child Thriving Act. Deevers says the goal is to keep a two-parent household intact for the child’s sake.

“Where there is a marriage that’s intact, and a mother and a father in the home, the children thrive in their mental health, their emotional health, their physical health,” Deevers said.

The bill also includes an incentive:

$500 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father while they’re still married;



$1,000 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father who said ‘I do’ before having children.

“I think the language used in this bill that’s providing a tax credit, it keeps on saying a natural marriage, a natural marriage, we know what they mean by that,” Fleck said.


This means if there is a step parent, same sex couple, a child was adopted, or any case where a kid is not the biological child of the married couple, you are not eligible.

“It is creating bills that set up what is good versus what is not good,” Fleck said. They do that with intention because, inevitably, they will be the ones who get to decide who gets benefits, who gets legality, who gets money, and who gets resources.”

When asked specifically about this, Deevers said, “I’d have to look into it further.”

Fleck says this answer is worrisome for her for what may come.

“I think people in Oklahoma need to be mindful of bills like this because Christian nationalism does this,” Fleck said.

The Covenant Marriage Act nearly became law back in 2013 when then Senator Josh Brecheen wrote a similar bill, but it did not pass.

Currently, three states have this distinct kind of marriage.
"Oklahoma is considered one of the worst states when it comes to tying the knot. Nearly one out of every 100 marriages ends in divorce."

Did they mean like one out of two???

And I'm sorry, Marriage is a property/tax agreement. The actual relationship is whatever the two involved make it.
 
"Oklahoma is considered one of the worst states when it comes to tying the knot. Nearly one out of every 100 marriages ends in divorce."

Did they mean like one out of two???

And I'm sorry, Marriage is a property/tax agreement. The actual relationship is whatever the two involved make it.
Iḿ concerned with the Promote Child Thriving Act...just another attempt to discriminate against gay marriages...Oklahoma does not like the LGBTQ+ community and this is only the beginning...our ŕepresentatives'waste a lot of time on trying to decide/change things that are none of their damn business...
 
Marriage and child incentive bills look to curb divorce rate kfor

A lawmaker is proposing two laws involving marriage. One incentivizes it, the other, he says, will curb the state’s divorce rate, which ranks fifth in the country.

However, opponents say this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

One proposal requires couples to attend marriage counseling before they can file for divorce.

The other gives a tax credit to married couples with kids, as long as it is their biological child.

“What’s very hard about these bills is that they’re very clearly trying to set up what is a ‘good marriage’ versus a ‘less appropriate marriage,'” Shannon Fleck, Oklahoma Faith Network Director, said.

Oklahoma is considered one of the worst states when it comes to tying the knot. Nearly one out of every 100 marriages ends in divorce.

“Marriage, I think, has been degraded so much that it’s now one of the flimsiest and most trivial contracts that exist,” Sen. Dusty Deevers (R-Elgin) said. “It’s one of the very few legal contracts, that I’m aware of, that you can actually break at any time for any reason.”

For this reason, Deevers is filing two bills.

“The Covenant Marriage Act allows people to opt into a marriage that is more along the lines of what marriage is supposed to be, which is ’til death do us part,'” Deevers said.

Senate Bill 228, known as the Covenant Marriage Act, would require couples to sign a declaration of intent upon marriage.

It also makes it harder to get a divorce. Any struggle during the marriage would require counseling.

The only way a divorce would be granted is if a spouse can prove abandonment of at least a year, or abuse, or adultery.

Opponents of the bill, like Reverend Shannon Fleck, who holds a doctorate in ministry, believe this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

“Couples make choices in their relationship,” Fleck said. “They journey through life together, and life is hard. The choices we make with our partner, our spouse, our family, our siblings, our friends are ours to make. The state doesn’t have a stake in marriage except for the legality pieces.”

Then there’s Senate Bill 328, the Promote Child Thriving Act. Deevers says the goal is to keep a two-parent household intact for the child’s sake.

“Where there is a marriage that’s intact, and a mother and a father in the home, the children thrive in their mental health, their emotional health, their physical health,” Deevers said.

The bill also includes an incentive:

$500 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father while they’re still married;



$1,000 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father who said ‘I do’ before having children.

“I think the language used in this bill that’s providing a tax credit, it keeps on saying a natural marriage, a natural marriage, we know what they mean by that,” Fleck said.


This means if there is a step parent, same sex couple, a child was adopted, or any case where a kid is not the biological child of the married couple, you are not eligible.

“It is creating bills that set up what is good versus what is not good,” Fleck said. They do that with intention because, inevitably, they will be the ones who get to decide who gets benefits, who gets legality, who gets money, and who gets resources.”

When asked specifically about this, Deevers said, “I’d have to look into it further.”

Fleck says this answer is worrisome for her for what may come.

“I think people in Oklahoma need to be mindful of bills like this because Christian nationalism does this,” Fleck said.

The Covenant Marriage Act nearly became law back in 2013 when then Senator Josh Brecheen wrote a similar bill, but it did not pass.

Currently, three states have this distinct kind of marriage.

I hate to tell them, but if you are looking at divorce, a $500 tax credit isn't going to be much of an incentive to stick it out.

Also, the marriage counseling requirement-does that apply if the couple has already sought out marriage counseling? My ex and I went to 2 different marriage counselors before I filed. Would I have had to find a 3rd person to tell me to run or would we have already met the requirement?
 
Marriage and child incentive bills look to curb divorce rate kfor

A lawmaker is proposing two laws involving marriage. One incentivizes it, the other, he says, will curb the state’s divorce rate, which ranks fifth in the country.

However, opponents say this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

One proposal requires couples to attend marriage counseling before they can file for divorce.

The other gives a tax credit to married couples with kids, as long as it is their biological child.

“What’s very hard about these bills is that they’re very clearly trying to set up what is a ‘good marriage’ versus a ‘less appropriate marriage,'” Shannon Fleck, Oklahoma Faith Network Director, said.

Oklahoma is considered one of the worst states when it comes to tying the knot. Nearly one out of every 100 marriages ends in divorce.

“Marriage, I think, has been degraded so much that it’s now one of the flimsiest and most trivial contracts that exist,” Sen. Dusty Deevers (R-Elgin) said. “It’s one of the very few legal contracts, that I’m aware of, that you can actually break at any time for any reason.”

For this reason, Deevers is filing two bills.

“The Covenant Marriage Act allows people to opt into a marriage that is more along the lines of what marriage is supposed to be, which is ’til death do us part,'” Deevers said.

Senate Bill 228, known as the Covenant Marriage Act, would require couples to sign a declaration of intent upon marriage.

It also makes it harder to get a divorce. Any struggle during the marriage would require counseling.

The only way a divorce would be granted is if a spouse can prove abandonment of at least a year, or abuse, or adultery.

Opponents of the bill, like Reverend Shannon Fleck, who holds a doctorate in ministry, believe this is an example of the state overstepping its bounds.

“Couples make choices in their relationship,” Fleck said. “They journey through life together, and life is hard. The choices we make with our partner, our spouse, our family, our siblings, our friends are ours to make. The state doesn’t have a stake in marriage except for the legality pieces.”

Then there’s Senate Bill 328, the Promote Child Thriving Act. Deevers says the goal is to keep a two-parent household intact for the child’s sake.

“Where there is a marriage that’s intact, and a mother and a father in the home, the children thrive in their mental health, their emotional health, their physical health,” Deevers said.

The bill also includes an incentive:

$500 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father while they’re still married;



$1,000 for each child under 18 living in the home of a mother and father who said ‘I do’ before having children.

“I think the language used in this bill that’s providing a tax credit, it keeps on saying a natural marriage, a natural marriage, we know what they mean by that,” Fleck said.


This means if there is a step parent, same sex couple, a child was adopted, or any case where a kid is not the biological child of the married couple, you are not eligible.

“It is creating bills that set up what is good versus what is not good,” Fleck said. They do that with intention because, inevitably, they will be the ones who get to decide who gets benefits, who gets legality, who gets money, and who gets resources.”

When asked specifically about this, Deevers said, “I’d have to look into it further.”

Fleck says this answer is worrisome for her for what may come.

“I think people in Oklahoma need to be mindful of bills like this because Christian nationalism does this,” Fleck said.

The Covenant Marriage Act nearly became law back in 2013 when then Senator Josh Brecheen wrote a similar bill, but it did not pass.

Currently, three states have this distinct kind of marriage.
Mind-blowing that this horrible person would give tax breaks to parents but only if the kid was NOT adopted.

What kind of horrible person would even consider that appropriate?
 
Mind-blowing that this horrible person would give tax breaks to parents but only if the kid was NOT adopted.

What kind of horrible person would even consider that appropriate?
Someone that hates LGBT and doesn't believe they should have kids. This is another way to punish them, but as you know it also hurts everyone else that adopts for a variety of other reasons.
 
Mind-blowing that this horrible person would give tax breaks to parents but only if the kid was NOT adopted.

What kind of horrible person would even consider that appropriate?
right?! WTF...you adopted three kids? well, youŕe not a ńatural' couple...one of you gave birth, the other didn´t, so as a gay couple, you are not a ńatural marriage´,... how in the actual f&%k does this $h!t enter a personś brain???? And of course, they try to make it appear as though they are looking out for the child: Ṕromote Child Thriving Act´...
 
Exactly why we need to stop calling these people "pro life". They are not pro-life, they are pro forced birth.
A child needing adopted was the result of a woman being pro-life and may not even felt forced to do it. No reward for the child's new parents. Another example how Republicans don't want to help disadvantaged children after birth, especially in this case where the circumstances are right.
 
This just in: DemonRATS have used their weather machines to blast the country with extreme cold. Because of this, our lord and savior DJT has to move his inauguration indoors. I heard there were going to be 5 million+ people there, now they can only fit about 250,000.
 
Dusty Deevers is a Southern Baptist minister in Elgin, which is near Lawton. Got elected in a special election in November 2023. This guy is so far out there, he makes Ryan Walters look liberal. He is a regular speaker at the abolitionist rallies at the state capital. Doesn't believe in any type of contraceptive. He has about seven kids, so that $1,000/head would come in handy.

Last year Deevers introduced nine bills, one dealt with an abortion being considered murder and another had to do with arresting people who watched porn (something like that). None of those bills even made it to committee. Most of the Republicans don't take him seriously. I doubt these new bills will ever see the light of day.
 
Dusty Deevers is a Southern Baptist minister in Elgin, which is near Lawton. Got elected in a special election in November 2023. This guy is so far out there, he makes Ryan Walters look liberal. He is a regular speaker at the abolitionist rallies at the state capital. Doesn't believe in any type of contraceptive. He has about seven kids, so that $1,000/head would come in handy.

Last year Deevers introduced nine bills, one dealt with an abortion being considered murder and another had to do with arresting people who watched porn (something like that). None of those bills even made it to committee. Most of the Republicans don't take him seriously. I doubt these new bills will ever see the light of day.

$20 says he has a really weird kink
 
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