Oklahoma is going backwards

I sense a good bit of sarcasm in your post so I won't jump to any conclusions.

I'll just point out the obvious.

How often you go to church is a very poor measure for how godly a person is or how much they love God.
Oklahoma has one of the highest rates of weekly church attendance and percentage of people claiming to be a Christian of any place on the planet.

Yet…

Teen preg-4th
STDs-5th
Smoking-4th
Drug overdose-4th
Weed stores -1st
Child abuse-7th
Gambling addiction -7th
# casinos -2nd
Incarceration-2nd
Adultery-5th
Divorce-3rd
Domestic violence-1st
Rape/SA-8th
Murder-7th
Car theft-9th
Package theft-2nd
Break ins-4th

I have 2 really good friends who are Lead Pastors of decent sized churches. 1 in OKC. 1 in Tulsa. We talk about this all of the time. I joke that based on the evidence Pastors in OK must really suck at their job.
 
DEI departments are not about ramps for front doors. There is already legislation that addresses that.
I think the original intent of DEI was probably positive, but DEI has morphed into inequality and division. I hope most would agree that we should treat people equally (although I realize there are some that don’t). But we have segments of society that enjoy preferred unequal treatment.
You are so full of yourself and shite you don’t even know. We live a disabled life every day.

If you would one time take a second and read and think you might learn.

Yes there are laws but laws don’t solve. Every town in OK is in violation of the ADA. I promise you 90% of companies fail to comply w ADA.

The point is we need DEI to have conversations not only about inclusion and equity but also why we need these laws and why diversity is a good thing.

I fully expect you to respond w more drivel and mischaracterization so the forum is yours.
 
No, right wing media has told you that ALL DEI instances has morphed into and become this... And in some cases they are RIGHT.but it is VERY limited and small in those instances... MOST DEI programs I've seen in professional settings are NOTHING close to creating inequality and division and their employees actually praise these programs

You have right wing commentators like Charlie Kirk saying they don't trust Dark Skinned Pilots to fly them because they assume they got to be a pilot simply because they have dark skin and because some corporate DEI program put them in that job without any qualifications or training.

and THAT is ludicrous
No right wing media has told me anything about DEI. When you have requirements of x% of people having a certain characteristic during a job panel interview, and have financial bonus rewards hiring people with specific identities …then equality of opportunity is thrown out the window.
 
You are so full of yourself and shite you don’t even know. We live a disabled life every day.

If you would one time take a second and read and think you might learn.

Yes there are laws but laws don’t solve. Every town in OK is in violation of the ADA. I promise you 90% of companies fail to comply w ADA.

The point is we need DEI to have conversations not only about inclusion and equity but also why we need these laws and why diversity is a good thing.

I fully expect you to respond w more drivel and mischaracterization so the forum is yours.
So you think DEI is needed to inside current laws are being followed?
Diversity is a good thing. Don’t believe people are arguing against that.
Not treating people equally should be a bad thing. But apparently others feel different.
 
No right wing media has told me anything about DEI. When you have requirements of x% of people having a certain characteristic during a job panel interview, and have financial bonus rewards hiring people with specific identities …then equality of opportunity is thrown out the window.
i would like to read the examples and specifics and how widespread this is. Please share, I do NOT want to financially support companies, or utilize services from companies who are bastardizing DEI in such ways and will make some financial decisions based on it.
 
Citations please.
Make sure I am understanding. If I am misunderstanding your comment let me know.

Are you implying that DEI policies for companies/government agencies don’t have specific listed requirements insuring people of designated identities are included on job interview panels?

And disputing that there are DEI goals (including financial bonus goals) regarding increases of hired placement among designated identities?
 
Make sure I am understanding. If I am misunderstanding your comment let me know.

Are you implying that DEI policies for companies/government agencies don’t have specific listed requirements insuring people of designated identities are included on job interview panels?

And disputing that there are DEI goals (including financial bonus goals) regarding increases of hired placement among designated identities?

To avoid misunderstandings in the future, a citation is a quotation from or reference to a book, paper, or author.
 
So you think DEI is needed to inside current laws are being followed?
Diversity is a good thing. Don’t believe people are arguing against that.
Not treating people equally should be a bad thing. But apparently others feel different.
I think DEI programs are a good place to start and at least provide for conversation.

Let’s just stick w disability issues for an example.

There are requirements for restrooms and ramps. But the law does not go far enough and sometimes is the problem itself. Let’s take bathrooms. Go into any Walmart, McDonalds. Go into GIA or BPS.

1st problem is the bathroom door. Put yourself w a cane or walker or wheelchair. Now envision how you open the door and keep it open while you go in. Often the doors are not on an automatic switch and they are heavy and close quickly. So you have to go ask someone to help you with the door.

If they have a handicap stall is it properly labeled as such?

Now go look inside the handicap stall. Is it built to ADA specifications? Door width? Locking mechanism down low enough for person in a chair to reach? Is it big enough to accommodate a walker or chair? Does it accommodate enough space for a lift? What about space for a helper?

Next time you’re in one look at the placement of the rails. 99% have a rail behind the stall not even at the proper height. Now think “How in the he!! Does a rail behind an elongated bowl or bowl w a tank even help 99% of the people who would use one? Next look at the toilet paper placement is it where a lift can access the bowl? How about can someone disabled reach it? Is the bowl the proper height? What about flushing mechanism?

Since you mentioned ramps how about this? Are they built to spec? Are they the proper incline? Width? Are they adjacent to the handicap spot or do you have to walk/wheelchair half a block IN TRAFFIC (bc remember you can’t access the sidewalk). Are they made of solid safe material? Is the material crumbling? Are the handicap parking places sufficient in number and properly marked? Are they at an angle (like all in downtown Stillwater) where the handicap vehicle can’t poperly park bc the vehicle ramp gets to close to the curb which doesn’t allow the wheel chair enough room to exit? So the wheelchair has to wait in the street or adjacent to the vehicle bc remember that ramp you said was solved by the law is half a block down the street.

Is every DEI program perfect? Probably not but they allow for conversations to take place safely that allow for people to think about issues like I mentioned. They also allow for minority based discussions to occur. They also address issues that whether you agree or not need addressed.
 
To avoid misunderstandings in the future, a citation is a quotation from or reference to a book, paper, or author.
I understand “citation”. But surprised anyone is doubting that many companies and government agencies require certain identities be included in job panel interviews.

You can certainly be for or against those DEI policies, but stating that fact is not remotely controversial or a debatable statement.

But maybe that gives me hope. Maybe some people are for DEI because they don’t realize many DEI programs have such policies.

Here is an article that is pro DEI. And what they call “diverse panels

 
No right wing media has told me anything about DEI. When you have requirements of x% of people having a certain characteristic during a job panel interview, and have financial bonus rewards hiring people with specific identities …then equality of opportunity is thrown out the window.
I guess call me dumbfounded.

You liked a post that started this conversation where UCO is eliminating some DEI programs. You decry hiring/interview panels where a very successful company has instituted such a policy and then extols the positive impact that process has had on diversifying hiring and in the company itself.

I’ve seen other successful people and companies praise DEI policies. Mark Cuban for one.

Wouldn’t we want programs and policies at Universities that actually promote minority enrollment and more importantly increase retention? Why throw out the entire DEI program? Isn’t the smarter move to create a diverse panel and listen to all voices and implement a DEI program that benefits?

Nope. We’ve got to scare people like you that DEI is code for quota and takes opportunities away from white people. Therefore DEI is bad and we should just kill the whole thing.
 
Re: Diversity requirements on hiring panels, history, and the need for them

Racially homogenous interview panels will tend to hire or promote employees that look, act, and think like them.

Generally, the folks that are threatened by DEI policies are those that have benefited from a lack of diversity in interview panels, hiring, etc.

They see the unearned advantages they have had for 100+ years slipping away.
 
I guess call me dumbfounded.

You liked a post that started this conversation where UCO is eliminating some DEI programs. You decry hiring/interview panels where a very successful company has instituted such a policy and then extols the positive impact that process has had on diversifying hiring and in the company itself.

I’ve seen other successful people and companies praise DEI policies. Mark Cuban for one.

Wouldn’t we want programs and policies at Universities that actually promote minority enrollment and more importantly increase retention? Why throw out the entire DEI program? Isn’t the smarter move to create a diverse panel and listen to all voices and implement a DEI program that benefits?

Nope. We’ve got to scare people like you that DEI is code for quota and takes opportunities away from white people. Therefore DEI is bad and we should just kill the whole thing.

Keep in mind who you are dealing with.
 
I guess call me dumbfounded.

You liked a post that started this conversation where UCO is eliminating some DEI programs. You decry hiring/interview panels where a very successful company has instituted such a policy and then extols the positive impact that process has had on diversifying hiring and in the company itself.

I’ve seen other successful people and companies praise DEI policies. Mark Cuban for one.

Wouldn’t we want programs and policies at Universities that actually promote minority enrollment and more importantly increase retention? Why throw out the entire DEI program? Isn’t the smarter move to create a diverse panel and listen to all voices and implement a DEI program that benefits?

Nope. We’ve got to scare people like you that DEI is code for quota and takes opportunities away from white people. Therefore DEI is bad and we should just kill the whole thing.
Yes, purposely treating people unequally is bad. Sad, but not dumbfounded that some want to celebrate divisive policies that treat people differently only due identities.
 
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