Donartdude1979
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Most of you, perhaps all, are far more knowledgeable about football than I am. So, what new schemes, approaches do you anticipate from the new coaches? And Happy New Year also.
New Schemes on Offense and Defense
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SweetOrange
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The kind of schemes that score more points than the other team.
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Marshall
We're really not quite sure about either.
Grantham has run just about every defense out there.
Meacham has been with spread coaches his whole career, so on the surface it may not look much different, except for perhaps more tight ends? Meacham also has had running QBs (like Boykin from TCU) so you have to think that's why Hejny followed him here.
Grantham has run just about every defense out there.
Meacham has been with spread coaches his whole career, so on the surface it may not look much different, except for perhaps more tight ends? Meacham also has had running QBs (like Boykin from TCU) so you have to think that's why Hejny followed him here.
OrangeFanatic2
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New DC will do some things similar to Knowles. Plays 3 DL with a walked down stand-up edge rusher (Colin Oliver). Doesn’t appear to be as aggressive as Knowles in regards to man coverage (which I hope changes).
Gundy brought in 4 guys with OC experience so I don't think the O is fully designed. From what's been pieced together though, the O will look a little like the Chiefs personnel-wise. A lot more TE involvment than were used to.
Still going to run up tempo but more QB run than before. Not sure what the run schemes will be since Meach and the O line coaches have been running different stuff. Meacham has always been an Air Raid guy so I'd expect those kind of route concepts again, just with more TE.
Finally and most promising for me, Meacham has spoken against RPO, even though he has used it a considerable amount in the past. Hopefully we use it very sparingly if at all.
This is all a guess based on some things I've heard, read, and the type of players and coaches we've brought in. Hopefully we get a spring game to look at it.
Still going to run up tempo but more QB run than before. Not sure what the run schemes will be since Meach and the O line coaches have been running different stuff. Meacham has always been an Air Raid guy so I'd expect those kind of route concepts again, just with more TE.
Finally and most promising for me, Meacham has spoken against RPO, even though he has used it a considerable amount in the past. Hopefully we use it very sparingly if at all.
This is all a guess based on some things I've heard, read, and the type of players and coaches we've brought in. Hopefully we get a spring game to look at it.
Curious about your opinion on RPO?
It really inhibits o-linemen from firing off the ball and climbing to the second level because they are afraid of getting called for illegal man downfield. (Which they still managed to do at least once a game)
The read has to be very quick. I don't think it's worth it to have 5 linemen block tentatively just to put one player in conflict and maybe complete a slant. Look at how many times Ollie got hit right at the line of scrimmage on RPOs.
I am in favor of pre-snap RPOs where you have a quick screen option if the numbers are right. Line can still block hard because the pass is horizontal.
Meach from 2020.
OrangeFanatic2
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Agreed.
What a lot of people don’t realize is Lincoln Riley and some of the other top play callers in football don’t really run a lot of true RPO’s either. They have calls built into their system for different types of play action with pulling OL that is just eye candy, while the concept is pass 100% for OL and skill players. I think Meacham will bring a lot of that to the table.
Rpos when holgy was killing it with them were too quick to have lineman downfield. These are bastardized versions
OrangeFanatic2
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Yep. They’ve went to far with it and defenses have adapted. Football has always and will always be a fun circle sport. It’s full to watch the cycle! I’m excited for what this offense can be next year if it all comes together.
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This is correct. The big difference is that those were all pre-snap reads and didn't include the fake hand-off. Defenses eventually figured out how to read them and they evolved into what we have now. Refs are also getting more strict about calling them right at 3 yards.
Rpos are post snap reads. They evolved into pre snap bs
RPOs under Holgy were analogous to the triple option under Switzer as an OC, fast and designed to counteract superior DLs to your OL.
I had to go back and look but you are right. We used to run a stick route attached to a draw that was post snap.
Correct. Stick draw. Takes less than a second to read. Somehow that turned into outthinking
HacklemanPoke
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I have had a question for the last 3-5 seasons. It seems like we are rarely open down field. It’s like the defense knows our routes. This combined w our unwillingness to throw the ball inside the numbers let alone the hashes seems to have really compressed and hindered our offense. Way too many contested or fought for catches.
Is it because we don’t have option routes? We don’t throw it deep unless it’s a trick play or 3rd and short deep fade? Or we haven’t had a QB that can read defenses?
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RPO's are great and have their purpose. I agree that they can be overrused.
The most frustrating RPO I can remember was in 2017 Bedlam, OSU is down 41-38 in 3q and has 1st and goal at the 3. Instead of handing if off, Mason Rudolph throws a pick into double coverage. Ended up being the difference in the game. Just call a run and lets punch it in!
The most frustrating RPO I can remember was in 2017 Bedlam, OSU is down 41-38 in 3q and has 1st and goal at the 3. Instead of handing if off, Mason Rudolph throws a pick into double coverage. Ended up being the difference in the game. Just call a run and lets punch it in!
OrangeFanatic2
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Yep, now post snap reading safeties and OLB’s with deep routes. It’s ignorant really in CFB right now. Defenses are much better and match athleticism now at all 3 levels.
