Middle East

[HacklemanPoke]

I'm afraid that Iran has us by the balls. They want a cease fire, on theirn terms.

Pretend you are a neutral observer from another world brought in to look at this disagreement. Who seems to be in control here:


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I would be curious how much China via Russia is influencing this. There was no question we are coming out of this in a weakened position (how much so seems to be the question).

Putin can play nice and negotiate security agreements w Eastern Europe while China negotiates trade including agriculture agreements w Europe and energy trade agreements w Iran and Russia including $2MM and up tolls w Iran.

We will be weakened economically w trade partners cut off and potentially militarily if Gulf allies restrict access to bases.

We may not agree w any of our Middle East excursions to date but it did allow us to check Iran w proximity. Now that Iran continues to call our bluff our Gulf Allies could switch to China who would have a more favorable relationship via Russia w Iran.

This is probably all worst case scenario but does anyone think 47 doesn’t hold a masters degree in effing up a train wreck?

 

[cowboyinexile]

I would be curious how much China via Russia is influencing this. There was no question we are coming out of this in a weakened position (how much so seems to be the question).

Putin can play nice and negotiate security agreements w Eastern Europe while China negotiates trade including agriculture agreements w Europe and energy trade agreements w Iran and Russia including $2MM and up tolls w Iran.

We will be weakened economically w trade partners cut off and potentially militarily if Gulf allies restrict access to bases.

We may not agree w any of our Middle East excursions to date but it did allow us to check Iran w proximity. Now that Iran continues to call our bluff our Gulf Allies could switch to China who would have a more favorable relationship via Russia w Iran.

This is probably all worst case scenario but does anyone think 47 doesn’t hold a masters degree in effing up a train wreck?

We are getting into stuff the next President can't fix even if he turns out to be a really good one.

Amazing how bad we effed this up.

 

[Polds4OSU]

Holy shit, Pete Buttigieg murdered Joe Kernen live on CNBC over the economy and the war in Iran.

https://www.threads.com/@mike_nellis/post/DW9No9DCIiv?xmt=AQF09LMstC6gfgMiPMAWVXwnB2X-g0wEthu0b2R1nNThuI5yWilm0jSsVluKlG5bVTN5DCbR&slof=1

 

[Polds4OSU]

"Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law who took $2 billion from Saudi Arabia, secretly offered Iran unlimited uranium enrichment for 'peaceful purposes'."

Jeff Moyers (@moyers.jeff) on Threads

I'm sorry, WHAT????!!!!! "Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law who took $2 billion from Saudi Arabia, secretly offered Iran unlimited uranium enrichment for 'peaceful purposes'."

www.threads.com

 

[Polds4OSU]

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[Polds4OSU]

“White House reporters who speak with Trump regularly believe that he’s already moved on from the Iran war—recognizing that it’s a political loser—and doesn’t intend to return. When toppling the Iranian regime appeared within reach to him, Trump wanted the credit; now, sensing the war’s unpopularity, he is content to let Vance own the outcome.”

Trump’s War, Vance’s Problem

The war was intended to change Iran’s political future. In the end it may change America’s.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[CowboyJD]

I'm afraid that Iran has us by the balls. They want a cease fire, on theirn terms.

Pretend you are a neutral observer from another world brought in to look at this disagreement. Who seems to be in control here:


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In an analogy of a boxing match to this war:

Trump is a heavyweight with heavy hands, but little skill or stamina.

Iran is the middleweight journeyman counterpunching veteran fighter with an unimpressive record but is cagey, scrappy, and not above low blows and head butts to stay in the fight.

All the middleweight has to do is survive the early rounds and drag that lumbering heavyweight into deep waters and let them punch themselves out until they don’t have the will to continue.

It’s not looking good for the heavyweight at this point.

 

[cowboyinexile]

“White House reporters who speak with Trump regularly believe that he’s already moved on from the Iran war—recognizing that it’s a political loser—and doesn’t intend to return. When toppling the Iranian regime appeared within reach to him, Trump wanted the credit; now, sensing the war’s unpopularity, he is content to let Vance own the outcome.”

Trump’s War, Vance’s Problem

The war was intended to change Iran’s political future. In the end it may change America’s.

www.theatlantic.com

He's willing to throw in the towel in the first few weeks of a war that is not going how he hoped. Does he realize that these things tend to take time? Im not a fan of this military action in the least but what does it say to our enemies when our leader is willing to bail on something at the first sign of adversity?

 

[Stillwater Townie]

Holy shit, Pete Buttigieg murdered Joe Kernen live on CNBC over the economy and the war in Iran.

https://www.threads.com/@mike_nellis/post/DW9No9DCIiv?xmt=AQF09LMstC6gfgMiPMAWVXwnB2X-g0wEthu0b2R1nNThuI5yWilm0jSsVluKlG5bVTN5DCbR&slof=1

Buttigieg is great but he would be greater if he admitted that Democrats were wrong to let in so many illegal immigrants while Biden was president. It should have been learned from 9/11 that America has made a lot of enemies over the years and immigrants wanting in have to be well vetted first. And also, that he won't be like Trump and take any bribe money from the Israel lobby.