Harris 2024 election thread

[Polds4OSU]

Kamala Harris pledged to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet if elected, saying she believes it would be crucial to hear from different viewpoints while in office.

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Kamala Harris pledged to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet if elected, saying she believes it would be crucial to hear from different viewpoints while in office.

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Kamala Harris pledged to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet if elected, saying she believes it would be crucial to hear from different viewpoints while in office.

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Kamala Harris pledged to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet if elected, saying she believes it would be crucial to hear from different viewpoints while in office.

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Secretary Kinzinger?

 

[Polds4OSU]

Newsmax Host Greg Kelly:

“Guess who might just be on the fence and thinking about endorsing Kamala Harris? George W. Bush. Remember that guy? Yeah. Word is, he’s contemplating an endorsement of Kamala Harris.”
#RepublicansForHarris

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Newsmax Host Greg Kelly: “Guess who might just be on the fence and thinking about endorsing Kamala Harris? George W. Bush. Remember that guy? Yeah. Word is, he’s contemplating an endorsement of Kamala Harris.” #RepublicansForHarris

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[JTOSU]

CNN interview not starting strong for Harris.

I get that people many, if not most, will vote for her because she is not Trump. And that certainly is an extremely legitimate and valid reason. One that I shared until the Biden/Trump debate.

But other than the reason of voting against Trump, are there any reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote for her?

 

[HacklemanPoke]

CNN interview not starting strong for Harris.

I get that people many, if not most, will vote for her because she is not Trump. And that certainly is an extremely legitimate and valid reason. One that I shared until the Biden/Trump debate.

But other than the reason of voting against Trump, are there any reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote for her?

Today Trump essentially came out for abortion through viability. At the very least he is for allowing 99% of all elective abortions so no significant difference from Harris.

Today JD basically said they were pro union. No difference from Harris.

Since 1989 there have been 52 million jobs created. 50.5 million have occurred during D presidencies. 97 % of all US jobs created in my adult life have been under Ds.

Trump just promised a cabinet/asmin position to a guy who wants to cut the military budget by half. Harris wants the US to have the strongest most lethal military on the planet.

Penn Wharton just came out this week and said Trumps economic policy (and this was before Trump promised to pay for all IVF procedures) would add 500% more to the US National Debt than Harris’s economic plan.

Trump this week said he would allow an unlimited unvetted amount of certain classes of immigrants to have green card status. Harris is sticking w current levels and is in support of bipartisan legislation that has been supported by the very conservative border patrol union.

Trump wants to impose more tariffs which would only add to inflation.

Trump wants to control the interest rate policy of the US.

Trump wants to control the press.

Harris wants a diverse energy policy while Trump wants to drill baby drill which won’t solve any energy problems, ease inflation or solve any climate related issues.

Trump wants to eliminate Dept of Education thereby terminating federal funding and decimating public education.

Trump wants to flood certain industries w cheap labor over Us workers.

Harris wants to strengthen and protect Medicare and Soc Sec.

And we haven’t talked about Project 2025.

Edit: And Harris isn’t a racist convicted criminal found libel for sexual assault who doesn’t crap on the military who hasn’t been found guilty of business fraud and ordered to pay dang near a half billion in fines and who doesn’t make fun of people w disabilities and who doesn’t take money from kids w cancer!!!

 

[CowboyJD]

Today Trump essentially came out for abortion through viability. At the very least he is for allowing 99% of all elective abortions so no significant difference from Harris.

Today JD basically said they were pro union. No difference from Harris.

Since 1989 there have been 52 million jobs created. 50.5 million have occurred during D presidencies. 97 % of all US jobs created in my adult life have been under Ds.

Trump just promised a campaign position to a guy who wants to cut the military budget by half. Harris wants the US to have the strongest most lethal military on the planet.

Penn Wharton just came out this week and said Trumps economic policy (and this was before Trump promised to pay for all IVF procedures) would add 500% more to the US National Debt than Harris’s economic plan.

Trump this week said he would allow an unlimited unvetted amount of certain classes of immigrants to have green card status. Harris is sticking w current levels and is in support of bipartisan legislation that has been supported by the very conservative border patrol union.

Trump wants to impose more tariffs which would only add to inflation.

Trump wants to control the interest rate policy of the US.

Trump wants to control the press.

Harris wants a diverse energy policy while Trump wants to drill baby drill which won’t solve any energy problems, ease inflation or solve any climate related issues.

Trump wants to eliminate Dept of Education thereby terminating federal funding and decimating public education.

Trump wants to flood certain industries w cheap labor over Us workers.

Harris wants to strengthen and protect Medicare and Soc Sec.

And we haven’t talked about Project 2025.

Edit: And Harris isn’t a racist convicted criminal found libel for sexual assault who doesn’t crap on the military who hasn’t been found guilty of business fraud and ordered to pay dang near a half billion in fines and who doesn’t make fun of people w disabilities and who doesn’t take money from kids w cancer!!!

 

[Polds4OSU]

CNN interview not starting strong for Harris.

I get that people many, if not most, will vote for her because she is not Trump. And that certainly is an extremely legitimate and valid reason. One that I shared until the Biden/Trump debate.

But other than the reason of voting against Trump, are there any reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote for her?

@HacklemanPoke didn't even cover 2025 stuff like pointed out

AND

VP pick. Trump is 78 and the life expectancy in the US is 76...there is a very high probability if you elect Trump you also get a president Vance at some point

Vance is CLEARLY no where close to being capable of holding that office

 

[cowboyinexile]

Today Trump essentially came out for abortion through viability. At the very least he is for allowing 99% of all elective abortions so no significant difference from Harris.

Today JD basically said they were pro union. No difference from Harris.

Since 1989 there have been 52 million jobs created. 50.5 million have occurred during D presidencies. 97 % of all US jobs created in my adult life have been under Ds.

Trump just promised a cabinet/asmin position to a guy who wants to cut the military budget by half. Harris wants the US to have the strongest most lethal military on the planet.

Penn Wharton just came out this week and said Trumps economic policy (and this was before Trump promised to pay for all IVF procedures) would add 500% more to the US National Debt than Harris’s economic plan.

Trump this week said he would allow an unlimited unvetted amount of certain classes of immigrants to have green card status. Harris is sticking w current levels and is in support of bipartisan legislation that has been supported by the very conservative border patrol union.

Trump wants to impose more tariffs which would only add to inflation.

Trump wants to control the interest rate policy of the US.

Trump wants to control the press.

Harris wants a diverse energy policy while Trump wants to drill baby drill which won’t solve any energy problems, ease inflation or solve any climate related issues.

Trump wants to eliminate Dept of Education thereby terminating federal funding and decimating public education.

Trump wants to flood certain industries w cheap labor over Us workers.

Harris wants to strengthen and protect Medicare and Soc Sec.

And we haven’t talked about Project 2025.

Edit: And Harris isn’t a racist convicted criminal found libel for sexual assault who doesn’t crap on the military who hasn’t been found guilty of business fraud and ordered to pay dang near a half billion in fines and who doesn’t make fun of people w disabilities and who doesn’t take money from kids w cancer!!!

 

[JTOSU]

Harris wants the US to have the strongest most lethal military on the planet.

Harris is sticking w current levels and is in support of bipartisan legislation that has been supported by the very conservative border patrol union.

Harris wants a diverse energy policy

Harris wants to strengthen and protect Medicare and Soc Sec.

Thanks for the response, but asking for reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote FOR Harris and not just AGAINST Trump.

I condensed your answers to Harris specific. Listed are: 1) national defense; 2) immigration; 3) diverse energy policy; 4) Medicare and Social Security.

No doubt all important items. It’s subjective, but I doubt many independents and moderate republicans would say they would vote FOR Harris on the first three issues..as the Economy and Immigration are the two issues polls show Trump is more trusted.

Medicare and Social Security is a good answer.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Thanks for the response, but asking for reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote FOR Harris and not just AGAINST Trump.

I condensed your answers to Harris specific. Listed are: 1) national defense; 2) immigration; 3) diverse energy policy; 4) Medicare and Social Security.

No doubt all important items. It’s subjective, but I doubt many independents and moderate republicans would say they would vote FOR Harris on the first three issues..as the Economy and Immigration are the two issues polls show Trump is more trusted.

Medicare and Social Security is a good answer.

Did you really want facts or did you just want to play a game and debate. I gave you facts. If you are the one that needs convincing I’m willing as are others to have a fact based discussion. If you are trying to convince someone else bc now you see that Harris is the better choice then I as well as others will help you w the facts.

Some of the reasons I listed that you coin as against Trump should just be intuitively obvious as reasons you would vote FOR Harris. I apologize for not taking the time to type out the obvious.

Asfar as the economy goes I gave you 4 very key points. I don’t care what polls say about specific issues.you asked how moderateRs and indies could be convinced to vote for Harris. Let’s just stick to facts.

Fact 1: Jobs added by Pres Admin since 1989 is just an insane #. 52 million total and D Presidemts created j50.5 million of them. Wanna job? Vote Harris.

Fact2: Trump is tariff happy.

Fact3: Trump will continue past R presidential admin policies and increase the National debt at 5 times the rate of Harris.

Fact4: Harris will continue to let the fed be the Fed. Trump who is over 1/2 a billion in debt and owes another 1/2 billin in civil penalties wants to control the fed and this control interest rates putting his own interests above those of the country. This could have very crippling long term implications.

And I forgot on my list that Harris will continue to make lives better for the middle class by continuing to fight to expand a significant achievement of Biden’s which is to lower the cost of very expensive drugs for those on Medicare. This is a bigger impact than his tax cuts. Just 1 drug alone will save our family $4800 per year. That’s real money that we have for other things like club tickets for Cowboy Baseball!!!

She will also further strengthen the middle class and families w child tax credits and expanding parental leave.

She also wants to protect the Affordable Care Act which preserves insurance for 20,000,000 Americans.

Honestly if you are a moderate R or Indy. Hell if you’re anyone that doesn’t worship hate what ACTUAL reason do you have to not vote for Harris. It’s really not close.

 

[Polds4OSU]

Thanks for the response, but asking for reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote FOR Harris and not just AGAINST Trump.

I condensed your answers to Harris specific. Listed are: 1) national defense; 2) immigration; 3) diverse energy policy; 4) Medicare and Social Security.

No doubt all important items. It’s subjective, but I doubt many independents and moderate republicans would say they would vote FOR Harris on the first three issues..as the Economy and Immigration are the two issues polls show Trump is more trusted.

Medicare and Social Security is a good answer.

Ok Patches

 

[JTOSU]

Some of the reasons I listed that you coin as against Trump should just be intuitively obvious as reasons you would vote FOR Harris. I apologize for not taking the time to type out the obvious.

Asfar as the economy goes I gave you 4 very key points. I don’t care what polls say about specific issues.you asked how moderateRs and indies could be convinced to vote for Harris. Let’s just stick to facts.

Fact 1: Jobs added by Pres Admin since 1989 is just an insane #. 52 million total and D Presidemts created j50.5 million of them. Wanna job? Vote Harris.

Fact2: Trump is tariff happy.

Fact3: Trump will continue past R presidential admin policies and increase the National debt at 5 times the rate of Harris.

Fact4: Harris will continue to let the fed be the Fed. Trump who is over 1/2 a billion in debt and owes another 1/2 bill up n in civil penalties wants to control the fed and this control interest rates putting his own interests above those of the country. This could have very crippling long term implications.

And I forgot on my list that Harris will continue to make lives better for the middle class by continuing to fight to expand a significant achievement of Biden’s which is to lower the cost of very expensive drugs for those on Medicare. This is a bigger impact than his tax cuts. Just 1 drug alone will save our family $4800 per year. That’s real money that we have for other things.

She will also further strengthen the middle class and families w child tax credits and expanding parental leave.

She also wants to protect the Affordable Care Act which preserves insurance for 20,000,000 Americans.

Honestly if you are a moderate R or Indy. Hell if you’re anyone that doesn’t worship hate what ACTUAL reason do you have to not vote for Harris. It’s really not close.

* Tariff: Again, that is a reason to vote AGAINST Trump. Plus remember the Biden administration just increased tariffs this year.

* Nation debt: Agree they both suck here. Both Trump and Biden/Harris spend foolishly. Wish we had candidates with serious solutions. Increasing taxes by $5T is not going to excite independents or moderate republicans.

* Fed: Again, this is a reason to vote AGAINST Trump.

* Medicare, child tax credit, expanding parental leave, ACA: Good answers and are reasons to vote FOR Harris. Although I would guess a government mandate expanding parental leave is not at top of list for independents and moderates.

Reason for my question: Biden has a long history. Swing voters understand what they were getting from him. Harris’s past history is fairly liberal (no fracking, defund police, making unauthorized border crossing legal, #1 most liberal Senator, etc). Harris has smartly avoided interviews like the plague over the last 45-days and allowed the media to carry her…and have Trump continue to say dumb things. She has enjoyed a bump. She excited the progressives and liberals (which is important), but swing voters want to hear from her - what does she stand for. They know the devil Trump, they don’t know Harris. And unless she can articulate some reasons to vote FOR her, many might select the devil they know.

I know you follow Nate Silver. Her bump has slowed. His most recent projection now shows Trump with a higher probability of winning the election…for the first time in 3 weeks. Harris has to start talking about policies that matter to swing voters and describing why an independent should vote FOR her.

 

[CowboyJD]

If you're anti-tariff.....and Harris is anti-tariff....and Trump is exceedingly pro-tariff.

You're voting FOR Harrist because her policies align with you more than Trump. You're not voting AGAINST Trump.

The same is true for any other policy proposals.

If you believe the country has prospered more under prior Democratic administrations than Trump's....you're voting FOR Harris because of that, not AGAINST Trump.

If you believe a Harris administration as a whole will act and behave with dignity and respect and care for the country as a whole more than Trump has and will in the future....that's a vote FOR Harris, not AGAINST Trump.

These independents moderate Republicans we are talking about MAY vote for the devil they know, but that's far, far from guaranteed at this point. Especially given the sheer numbers of moderate Republican office holders past and present that have already endorsed Harris.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

* Tariff: Again, that is a reason to vote AGAINST Trump. Plus remember the Biden administration just increased tariffs this year.

* Nation debt: Agree they both suck here. Both Trump and Biden/Harris spend foolishly. Wish we had candidates with serious solutions. Increasing taxes by $5T is not going to excite independents or moderate republicans.

* Fed: Again, this is a reason to vote AGAINST Trump.

* Medicare, child tax credit, expanding parental leave, ACA: Good answers and are reasons to vote FOR Harris. Although I would guess a government mandate expanding parental leave is not at top of list for independents and moderates.

Reason for my question: Biden has a long history. Swing voters understand what they were getting from him. Harris’s past history is fairly liberal (no fracking, defund police, making unauthorized border crossing legal, #1 most liberal Senator, etc). Harris has smartly avoided interviews like the plague over the last 45-days and allowed the media to carry her…and have Trump continue to say dumb things. She has enjoyed a bump. She excited the progressives and liberals (which is important), but swing voters want to hear from her - what does she stand for. They know the devil Trump, they don’t know Harris. And unless she can articulate some reasons to vote FOR her, many might select the devil they know.

I know you follow Nate Silver. Her bump has slowed. His most recent projection now shows Trump with a higher probability of winning the election…for the first time in 3 weeks. Harris has to start talking about policies that matter to swing voters and describing why an independent should vote FOR her.

So you just want to argue w documented facts and then cherry pick a detail as a “Aha gotcha”

It’s really simple want the Fed to continue as is vote for Harris. Want an absolute moronic self serving turd to control interest rates knowing said turd who breaks rules and decency norms to the SOLE benefit of himself and to damned be the country VOTE FOR Harris.

Want to experience intellectual pain equivalent to hitting your thumb w a hammer on a cold day, engage w JT on a message board.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

* Tariff: Again, that is a reason to vote AGAINST Trump. Plus remember the Biden administration just increased tariffs this year.

* Nation debt: Agree they both suck here. Both Trump and Biden/Harris spend foolishly. Wish we had candidates with serious solutions. Increasing taxes by $5T is not going to excite independents or moderate republicans.

* Fed: Again, this is a reason to vote AGAINST Trump.

* Medicare, child tax credit, expanding parental leave, ACA: Good answers and are reasons to vote FOR Harris. Although I would guess a government mandate expanding parental leave is not at top of list for independents and moderates.

Reason for my question: Biden has a long history. Swing voters understand what they were getting from him. Harris’s past history is fairly liberal (no fracking, defund police, making unauthorized border crossing legal, #1 most liberal Senator, etc). Harris has smartly avoided interviews like the plague over the last 45-days and allowed the media to carry her…and have Trump continue to say dumb things. She has enjoyed a bump. She excited the progressives and liberals (which is important), but swing voters want to hear from her - what does she stand for. They know the devil Trump, they don’t know Harris. And unless she can articulate some reasons to vote FOR her, many might select the devil they know.

I know you follow Nate Silver. Her bump has slowed. His most recent projection now shows Trump with a higher probability of winning the election…for the first time in 3 weeks. Harris has to start talking about policies that matter to swing voters and describing why an independent should vote FOR her.

Did you actually look at Nate Silver’s numbers? His latest update still has Harris w a 3.8 national lead. Same as Tuesday. And up week over week. It shows momentum slowing for both candidates as you can see in his graph. He mentioned PA in his write up and adjusting the model for more accurate polls so I’ll roll w him but his numbers show Harris still leading in PA and up week over week. I think where Trump may have helped in the model is Wisconsin and AZ. Still Harris leans but his campaigning there over the last week helped. I realize the probability indicator is EC based and this is where his model makes adjustments. If you are Harris you have to be concerned that a week out from convention and your momentum is slowing.

Still a long ways to go.

 

[CowboyJD]

Heck let's play this game in reverse.

But other than the reason of voting against Harris and Democrats, are there any reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote FOR "the Devil they know"?

I'd say, no....not really.

It's not like Trump has set forth clear, express policy positions at all.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Heck let's play this game in reverse.

But other than the reason of voting against Harris and Democrats, are there any reasons an independent or moderate Republican would vote FOR "the Devil they know"?

I'd say, no....not really.

I’m actually pretty conservative went it comes to fiscal issues but I don’t think we can just cut spending and cut taxes. We didn’t build this house in 4 years and by tearing everything down in 4 yrs I believe we will do way more long term harm. We all have to sacrifice and some of us might have to a bit more than others. I am okay w that.

But how anyone today can look back at the actual data of the last 50 years and say Rs perform better on the economy shows you just how manipulative the media has been which is even more maddening bc all we’ve heard for the last 25 years is how main stream media is in the pocket of the left.

Sure we can cherry pick certain stats or quarters or micro bits. But when you look at the entirety of the US economy including the National debt over the last 50 years how do you not conclude it performs better w a D in the White House?

 

[CowboyJD]

I’m actually pretty conservative went it comes to fiscal issues but I don’t think we can just cut spending and cut taxes. We didn’t build this house in 4 years and by tearing everything down in 4 yrs I believe we will do way more long term harm. We all have to sacrifice and some of might have to a bit more than others. I am okay w that.

But how anyone today can look back at the actual data of the last 50 years and say Rs perform better on the economy shows you just how manipulative the media has been which is even more maddening bc all we’ve heard for the last 25 years is how main stream media is in the pocket of the left.

Sure we can cherry pick certain stats or quarters or micro bits. But when you look at the entirety of the US economy including the National debt over the last 50 years how do you not conclude it performs better w a D in the White House?

Like you said.....

"Want to experience intellectual pain equivalent to hitting your thumb w a hammer on a cold day, engage w JT on a message board."

 

[JTOSU]

So you just want to argue w documented facts and then cherry pick a detail as a “Aha gotcha”

It’s really simple want the Fed to continue as is vote for Harris. Want an absolute moronic self serving turd to control interest rates knowing said turd who breaks rules and decency norms to the SOLE benefit of himself and to damned be the country VOTE FOR Harris.

Want to experience intellectual pain equivalent to hitting your thumb w a hammer on a cold day, engage w JT on a message board.

I am not cherry picking. I asked why a moderate republican or independent would vote FOR Harris.

I realize it is not always easy for a liberal or progressive to step-back and consider other perspectives (and same for those on right and far-right). It is why I asked this on this board. So I do appreciate your response.

However Harris has not released any policy about the Fed. That is not a reason to vote FOR her.

I am not looking for gotchas. As of now, Harris has not stated a strong case for swing voters to vote for her. Other than the fact she is not Trump. As I said initially, voting AGAINST someone is a very valid and legitimate reason. But at some point Harris needs to articulate why swing voters should vote FOR her.

Maybe we are starting to see that now with her policy position changes on energy and immigration.

 

[mugatu]

Like you said.....

"Want to experience intellectual pain equivalent to hitting your thumb w a hammer on a cold day, engage w JT on a message board."

I'm laughing over here. JT asks for list of reasons to vote FOR Harris. List of policy differences between Harris and Trump is presented. JT responds asking why they aren't reasons to vote for Harris and are instead reasons to vote against Trump.

When you have 2 choices, any difference is both a reason for one and against the other. Come on. You're better than that JT.