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She knew it was a lie all along. Now she sees speaking out against it as more politically expedient than perpetuating the lie.

This is an interesting development and is a good sign IMO.
I don't think so. I think she is just like the followers and was a true believer. Even though she somehow made herself a leader.

People joke about "cult" but there is some similarity. Also, the constant repetition of things, typically subtle ie. "the stolen election" and putting misinformation on official websites along with the social media algos giving people only one side of the news (and the leader telling them that any other news they might hear is "fake") is very much like the indoctrination of POWs.

Which is why I'm starting to wonder if the people in the nation that are against all this are taking the exact wrong tact (myself included). It is very easy to argue with them, debate them, and "win" on logic. But, never have I seen any say "you are right, thanks for saving me from my own insanity." Typically, it turns to name-calling. At best and often on this board the "well, I don't like him but l like that policy."

I'm not sure the best way forward but calling them stupid and pointing out the flaws certainly isn't working. My in-laws started watching "News Nation" in place of Fox and they have tempered dramatically. Maybe subtly pointing out the parts most don't like (George Santos, money for Ballroom, murdering people in boats) in place of debating about how the parts they like are being done (ICE, exec orders, trans, etc) may be better.
 
I'm not sure the best way forward but calling them stupid and pointing out the flaws certainly isn't working.
I’ve tried to point this out before.

Remember the discussion about anti-statin here in Northern Michigan? How many would I convince if I simply called them stupid, or treated them as if they were stupid? If I used scare tactics? I mean, we both know that there are all kinds of negative persuasion tactics that just don’t work. But I had the discussion with a patient just yesterday and was frank about the risks and the benefits, and offered him pharmacogenomic testing, told him about how we used to titrate statins and now people start high doses and offered to titrate to minimize adverse effects. He agreed to move forward with me.

“Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi” prevents any reasonable discourse. You can’t persuade someone you can’t talk to.

I think there is a growing number of people like me, disaffected conservatives and centrist liberals who feel abandoned by the two parties. Maybe you are one of us.
 
People joke about "cult" but there is some similarity. Also, the constant repetition of things, typically subtle ie. "the stolen election" and putting misinformation on official websites along with the social media algos giving people only one side of the news (and the leader telling them that any other news they might hear is "fake") is very much like the indoctrination of POWs.
Who's joking about it being a cult? It is a cult.
 
Maybe subtly pointing out the parts most don't like (George Santos, money for Ballroom, murdering people in boats) in place of debating about how the parts they like are being done (ICE, exec orders, trans, etc) may be better.
I wish I could agree, but I have tried with all of these…they don’t seem to care where the $ is coming from for ballroom, they just bring up other “renovations” and they LOVE to bring up Obama’s $370 million renovations (they leave out the part or probably don’t know that it was initiated by Bush and approved under Bush)…killing people they don’t know from another country; meh…Santos, well Biden pardoned ____…
 
I wish I could agree, but I have tried with all of these…they don’t seem to care where the $ is coming from for ballroom, they just bring up other “renovations” and they LOVE to bring up Obama’s $370 million renovations (they leave out the part or probably don’t know that it was initiated by Bush and approved under Bush)…killing people they don’t know from another country; meh…Santos, well Biden pardoned ____…
What is better?

I obviously don’t have the answer.
 
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