Border problem.

steross said:
Sort of like the fentanyl and meth problems. Rehab and treatment takes time. Trying to stop the cartels is impossible because they have such huge resources. But the problem is bad right now so we just need to enforce laws against drug users to stop people from using drugs right now. That will work, right?

You guys are looking in the wrong direction. We have a worker shortage. We have an inept government regarding immigration laws. We have countries with people desperate for jobs and businesses (who control government) wanting to hire them. The idea that we can stop that huge economic need by building fences and "closing the border" is on the same logic level as stopping the drug economy by arresting meth/fentanyl users.
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You're not wrong but we are hanging a sign up that says "FREE DRUGS" now and that doesn't work either. We have to do something about the flow before we fix anything. No other country on earth has this problem so I find it hard to believe there is nothing that can be done now about the sheer numbers. Over 100K unaccompanied minors showed up in 21 that's more than 4x the amount of the last 10 years...that ain't helping the workforce. Kind of like a dam that's broken.....we could use water 500 miles away for agriculture.....let's figure out a canal system to get the water where it needs to go but let's patch the dam and not flood all the cities between the dam and the fields before we figure that out...then set up the canals....figure out where to put the water.
 
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We could stop the cartels within a year, but it would take military intervention and ( hopefully) Mexico’s blessing. I mean, we aren’t going to do it, but it’s possible.


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Donnyboy said:
You're not wrong but we are hanging a sign up that says "FREE DRUGS" now and that doesn't work either. We have to do something about the flow before we fix anything. No other country on earth has this problem so I find it hard to believe there is nothing that can be done now about the sheer numbers. Over 100K unaccompanied minors showed up in 21 that's more than 4x the amount of the last 10 years...that ain't helping the workforce. Kind of like a dam that's broken.....we could use water 500 miles away for agriculture.....let's figure out a canal system to get the water where it needs to go but let's patch the dam and not flood all the cities between the dam and the fields before we figure that out...then set up the canals....figure out where to put the water.
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Where do we have a sign that says the equivalent of "free drugs?"

Surely you are not serious that you think we are the only country dealing with these issues? I mean, we are the only country that does a lot of dumb crap (health care, imperial measurements, guns for sale like shoes). But, c'mon, we aren't even close to the only country dealing with asylum seekers. Not even close.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Map lays bare how Europe's migrant crisis is hitting countries

With the political row raging in the UK, figures show that numbers of asylum seekers were higher in Germany, France, Austria and Spain last year.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
steross said:
Where do we have a sign that says the equivalent of "free drugs?"

Surely you are not serious that you think we are the only country dealing with these issues? I mean, we are the only country that does a lot of dumb crap (health care, imperial measurements, guns for sale like shoes). But, c'mon, we aren't even close to the only country dealing with asylum seekers. Not even close.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Map lays bare how Europe's migrant crisis is hitting countries

With the political row raging in the UK, figures show that numbers of asylum seekers were higher in Germany, France, Austria and Spain last year.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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If your house is on fire and you run next door asking for someplace to get away from the flames you’re seeking asylum, if you let your house get run down and crappy so you break in to your neighbor’s to use his a/c and watch his sweet big screen that’s not the same thing.


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steross said:
Where do we have a sign that says the equivalent of "free drugs?"

Surely you are not serious that you think we are the only country dealing with these issues? I mean, we are the only country that does a lot of dumb crap (health care, imperial measurements, guns for sale like shoes). But, c'mon, we aren't even close to the only country dealing with asylum seekers. Not even close.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Map lays bare how Europe's migrant crisis is hitting countries

With the political row raging in the UK, figures show that numbers of asylum seekers were higher in Germany, France, Austria and Spain last year.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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The sign that is equivalent to Free Drugs is the open border where you can walk across without fear and begin in many cases to receive social services. When 42 thousand people can walk through a gate that is welded open in one city in one month that is an equivalent to me...if you prefer we can say "Cheapest Drugs on Earth".

I should have been more clear with the this isn't going on anywhere else in the world. There are migrants in other nations...of course...in the article that uses the term crisis for a continent the 10 nations combined are a little over a third (and we are bigger but they have a population of almost 50 million more people than us when lumped) of what we are dealing with I think it's ok to say what we are dealing with isn't happening anywhere else. 4 of the nations in the article aren't experiencing in a year what Tucson (which has a population smaller than the smallest country listed) did in June. We will likely pass over 7 million in the last three years and it will certainly be closer to 7 than 6....we have more or as many unaccompanied minors alone crossing than 9 of the 10 nations listed have total....this is different. The article also list many leaving war torn places like Libya and Syria....being forced into a camp due to war or being a different sect of a religion is very different than what we are dealing with with predominately Latin American persons seeking work and a different way of life. And again I don't blame the people one bit for doing it... it's on us.
 
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Supreme Court sides with Biden administration in Texas border razor-wire case npr

The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 vote, granted the Biden administration's request to vacate the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals' injunction in a case involving razor wire places along Texas's border with Mexico.

The move paves the way for federal officials to remove the wire.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh dissented.

Texas has maintained that it needs to act on the border because the federal government has failed to stem the tide of migrants crossing from Mexico.

Gov. Greg Abbott launched a controversial state-led, border security effort called "Operation Lone Star" in 2021. Since then, Texas has installed razor wire, a floating barrier in the Rio Grande, and added thousands of Texas state troopers and National Guard soldiers to patrol parts of the state's 1,254 mile long border with Mexico.

Earlier this month, the Biden administration turned to the Supreme Court over the installation of razor wire on the northern banks of the Rio Grande in Eagle Pass. That came after the state sued the administration in October, claiming federal agents were destroying state property and preventing Texas National Guard and Department of Public Safety officers from securing the border.

A federal judge ruled in the Biden administration's favor, but the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals later decided the judge misunderstood a law that spells out what the federal government can be sued for.

On Monday, the Supreme Court sided with the Biden administration, allowing federal agents to cut through portions of the wire if they deem it necessary.
 
gopokes83 said:
We could stop the cartels within a year, but it would take military intervention and ( hopefully) Mexico’s blessing. I mean, we aren’t going to do it, but it’s possible.


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It sounds nice on paper. But it's not accurate.

Just like how the US military could stop the taliban, and they effectively neutered them, and maintained that all the way up until the day they left afghanistan. So unless we want a permanent duty station in mexico fighting well funded sicarios and cartels every day, this wouldnt really work. We see what happens when we enter a place (iraq, afghanistan for example) and then leave. the locals s have to do this themselves and they cant. And we've seen what an all out war with the cartels looks like
 
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Supreme Court sides with Biden administration in Texas border razor-wire case npr

The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 vote, granted the Biden administration's request to vacate the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals' injunction in a case involving razor wire places along Texas's border with Mexico.

The move paves the way for federal officials to remove the wire.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh dissented.

Texas has maintained that it needs to act on the border because the federal government has failed to stem the tide of migrants crossing from Mexico.

Gov. Greg Abbott launched a controversial state-led, border security effort called "Operation Lone Star" in 2021. Since then, Texas has installed razor wire, a floating barrier in the Rio Grande, and added thousands of Texas state troopers and National Guard soldiers to patrol parts of the state's 1,254 mile long border with Mexico.

Earlier this month, the Biden administration turned to the Supreme Court over the installation of razor wire on the northern banks of the Rio Grande in Eagle Pass. That came after the state sued the administration in October, claiming federal agents were destroying state property and preventing Texas National Guard and Department of Public Safety officers from securing the border.

A federal judge ruled in the Biden administration's favor, but the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals later decided the judge misunderstood a law that spells out what the federal government can be sued for.

On Monday, the Supreme Court sided with the Biden administration, allowing federal agents to cut through portions of the wire if they deem it necessary.
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I would love to know more about this; what is the law being reviewed and what are the opinions of the court.
 
Supreme Court allows border agents to remove razor wire in Texas politico

Federal border patrol agents may remove razor wire installed by Texas along the U.S.-Mexico border, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Monday — a major victory for the Biden administration in an ongoing immigration policy dispute with the state’s Republican governor, Greg Abbott.

The terse, one-page order followed a DOJ filing on Jan. 12 that alleged Texas had blocked Border Patrol’s access to parts of the border and asked the court to intervene.

The five-justice majority consisted of two conservatives (Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Amy Coney Barrett) and the court’s three liberals (Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson). Four conservative justices (Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh) voted in dissent.


The court did not explain its reasoning, a typical practice for the court when it rules on applications for emergency relief.
Members of the Texas congressional delegation and beyond weighed in on social media.
Rep. Chip Roy sided with Texas. He encouraged other politicians to oppose funding the Department of Homeland Security and “any other entity facilitating this brazen violation of the security & welfare of Texans.”

Republican Louisiana Rep. Clay Higgins took it further. On X, formerly Twitter, he suggested he’d been asked by the news media about the court order. “My thoughts are that the feds are staging a civil war, and Texas should stand their ground,” he wrote.

Reps. Veronica Escobar and Henry Cuellar, who previously spoke in support of removing the wire, did not immediately respond to POLITICO’s requests for comment.

The high court’s order lifted a 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that prevented Border Patrol agents from cutting the concertina wire Texas installed along the Rio Grande. The concertina wire, a type of barbed wire with sharp blades, was installed by the Texas Military Department over the past three years as part of the state’s efforts to independently crack down on illegal immigration.

In September, Border Patrol agents began to cut through and remove wire in order to apprehend migrants and reach injured people to assist them. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued in October, claiming that federal agents had unlawfully destroyed state property.

Paxton’s lawsuit said border patrol agents had “seized and damaged” the razor wire “more than 20 times.”

The appeals court ruled that Border Patrol had not broken any laws, but the agency was barred from interfering with the concertina wire during the appeal.

The Justice Department said in court documents that Texas had installed additional concertina wire, which restricted access to a stretch of the Rio Grande, including part of a park with a boat ramp where Border Patrol routinely launches its patrol boats.
 

Well this is just a complete waste of everyone's time and TAX DOLLARS​

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Texas is exploiting a loophole in a new Supreme Court ruling to keep putting up razor-wire fencing at the border​


  • Texas is seemingly exploiting a loophole in the Supreme Court's recent ruling involving the border.
  • The ruling allows for federal agents to cut through Texas' wire fencing at the southern border.
  • Texas' governor said, "We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration."
Texas is apparently taking advantage of a loophole in a recent Supreme Court ruling involving the US-Mexico border in order to keep putting up more razor-wire fencing along the Rio Grande riverbank.


The Supreme Court's 5-4 Monday ruling delivered a huge win to the Biden administration in its ongoing legal battle with Texas over the southern border by allowing federal border agents to cut or move barbed wire fencing the Republican-controlled state installed at the border.

The ruling does not call for Texas to take any action in the matter — and the state's Republican governor, Greg Abbott, suggested in a post to X on Wednesday that Texas will keep putting up the fencing, even if federal border agents take it down.

"Texas' razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by [President Joe] Biden's open border policies," Abbott said. "We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration."


Abbott's post to the social media site included a photo showing Texas National Guard soldiers erecting more of the fencing. Republicans, like Texas Rep. Chip Roy, have urged the state to ignore the Supreme Court's ruling.

Meanwhile, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the situation who was not authorized to speak publicly told Business Insider on Wednesday that Texas can put up all the wire fencing it wants but that border agents have the right to cut it down if it gets in their way.



"If they put up wire, that's fine," the source said of Texas. "If it interferes with federal law enforcement's ability to do its job, that's when there's an issue."

The Supreme Court's ruling came after the Biden administration asked the nation's highest court to vacate an injunction that the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals imposed last month, which temporarily paused a lower-court ruling that allowed federal agents to cut through Texas' razor-wire fencing.

Texas has put up razor-wire fencing along a stretch of the Rio Grande in the border city of Eagle Pass as part of its efforts to prevent unauthorized immigration at the border.

The US Justice Department said in a court filing earlier this month that Texas National Guard soldiers were blocking Border Patrol agents from accessing the state's border and said the "fencing further restricts Border Patrol's ability to reach the river in particular areas."


It also said Texas' actions demonstrated "an escalation of the State's measures to block Border Patrol's ability to patrol or even to surveil the border and be in a position to respond to emergencies."

In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's ruling this week, Department of Homeland Security general counsel Jonathan Meyer sent a letter to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, again demanding federal access to the Shelby Park area in Eagle Pass.

"As you are aware, yesterday, the Supreme Court vacated the injunction prohibiting the Department from cutting or moving the concertina wire that Texas had placed along the border except in case of emergency, and restored the Department's right to cut and move the concertina wire placed by Texas in order to perform their statutory duties," read the Tuesday letter, which was obtained by Business Insider.

It added, "The Department must also have the ability to access the border in the Shelby Park area that is currently obstructed by Texas."


"The State has alleged that Shelby Park is open to the public, but we do not believe this statement is accurate," the letter read.

Paxton said in a statement on Monday after the Supreme Court ruling that the order "allows Biden to continue his illegal effort to aid the foreign invasion of America."

"The destruction of Texas's border barriers will not help enforce the law or keep American citizens safe. This fight is not over, and I look forward to defending our state's sovereignty," Paxton said.
 
Polds4OSU said:

Well this is just a complete waste of everyone's time and TAX DOLLARS​

​

Texas is exploiting a loophole in a new Supreme Court ruling to keep putting up razor-wire fencing at the border​


  • Texas is seemingly exploiting a loophole in the Supreme Court's recent ruling involving the border.
  • The ruling allows for federal agents to cut through Texas' wire fencing at the southern border.
  • Texas' governor said, "We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration."
Texas is apparently taking advantage of a loophole in a recent Supreme Court ruling involving the US-Mexico border in order to keep putting up more razor-wire fencing along the Rio Grande riverbank.


The Supreme Court's 5-4 Monday ruling delivered a huge win to the Biden administration in its ongoing legal battle with Texas over the southern border by allowing federal border agents to cut or move barbed wire fencing the Republican-controlled state installed at the border.

The ruling does not call for Texas to take any action in the matter — and the state's Republican governor, Greg Abbott, suggested in a post to X on Wednesday that Texas will keep putting up the fencing, even if federal border agents take it down.

"Texas' razor wire is an effective deterrent against the illegal border crossings encouraged by [President Joe] Biden's open border policies," Abbott said. "We continue to deploy this razor wire to repel illegal immigration."


Abbott's post to the social media site included a photo showing Texas National Guard soldiers erecting more of the fencing. Republicans, like Texas Rep. Chip Roy, have urged the state to ignore the Supreme Court's ruling.

Meanwhile, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the situation who was not authorized to speak publicly told Business Insider on Wednesday that Texas can put up all the wire fencing it wants but that border agents have the right to cut it down if it gets in their way.



"If they put up wire, that's fine," the source said of Texas. "If it interferes with federal law enforcement's ability to do its job, that's when there's an issue."

The Supreme Court's ruling came after the Biden administration asked the nation's highest court to vacate an injunction that the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals imposed last month, which temporarily paused a lower-court ruling that allowed federal agents to cut through Texas' razor-wire fencing.

Texas has put up razor-wire fencing along a stretch of the Rio Grande in the border city of Eagle Pass as part of its efforts to prevent unauthorized immigration at the border.

The US Justice Department said in a court filing earlier this month that Texas National Guard soldiers were blocking Border Patrol agents from accessing the state's border and said the "fencing further restricts Border Patrol's ability to reach the river in particular areas."


It also said Texas' actions demonstrated "an escalation of the State's measures to block Border Patrol's ability to patrol or even to surveil the border and be in a position to respond to emergencies."

In the aftermath of the Supreme Court's ruling this week, Department of Homeland Security general counsel Jonathan Meyer sent a letter to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, again demanding federal access to the Shelby Park area in Eagle Pass.

"As you are aware, yesterday, the Supreme Court vacated the injunction prohibiting the Department from cutting or moving the concertina wire that Texas had placed along the border except in case of emergency, and restored the Department's right to cut and move the concertina wire placed by Texas in order to perform their statutory duties," read the Tuesday letter, which was obtained by Business Insider.

It added, "The Department must also have the ability to access the border in the Shelby Park area that is currently obstructed by Texas."


"The State has alleged that Shelby Park is open to the public, but we do not believe this statement is accurate," the letter read.

Paxton said in a statement on Monday after the Supreme Court ruling that the order "allows Biden to continue his illegal effort to aid the foreign invasion of America."

"The destruction of Texas's border barriers will not help enforce the law or keep American citizens safe. This fight is not over, and I look forward to defending our state's sovereignty," Paxton said.
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How is it a waste if it is an effective deterrent to illegal immigration?
 
GOGETUMPOKE said:
How is it a waste if it is an effective deterrent to illegal immigration?
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Because Texas is paying workers to put it up and the feds are paying workers to cut it and remove it ..and Texas is going to continue to put it up and the feds are going to continue to pay people to take it down


Illegal immigration has enough cost already without us adding these types of cost on top of it in wasted labor and materials

The absurdity of it at the expense of the tax payer should piss off everyone
 
Polds4OSU said:
Because Texas is paying workers to put it up and the feds are paying workers to cut it and remove it ..and Texas is going to continue to put it up and the feds are going to continue to pay people to take it down


Illegal immigration has enough cost already without us adding these types of cost on top of it in wasted labor and materials

The absurdity of it at the expense of the tax payer should piss off everyone
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I don't know how much of it Texas has actually put up but I seriously doubt that the Feds have taken much if any of it down. Even if it deters a small number of illegals there is probably a net cost benefit. Most of the numbers I've seen show that the border is going to be one of the top issues in the election. Really stupid hill for the Dems to die on in my opinion.
 
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