Border problem.

I gave you actual $60B in spend. You have provided not even a “nebulous” SS dollar amount benefit. The $13B benefit came from me.

If you want to honestly debate. I’m in. But appears you want to live in a world that illegal immigrants don’t have a cost, so I am out.

You didn't ask me for an SS amount. Are you wanting me to dig up some number to disagree with the $13B you posted?

You claimed $450B. I asked you to show it. You haven't. You then claimed "$60B" in education but did not subtract what they pay into education.

Your accounting is shambles. You are not seeing the full picture just the one side you desire to see. That is why I'm badgering you. I never said there weren't costs. All I am saying is there are costs and benefits and which side is magnified is based on politics. You've fully shown that you 100% believe only one side, even the parts that are false. No pragmatism, pure partisanship.

I bolded the claims you made with no evidence at all. And the internet is just for a few more months. And most of them cannot get it.

Illegal immigrants receive free K-12 education (including free breakfast and lunch), healthcare (in many cases), free high-speed home internet (yes, they are eligible for ACP), discounted and free health insurance in many states, subsidized housing, food assistance, etc.
 
To me the most frustrating part of this is how Senate R leadership have rolled over.

There is absolutely zero chance that Senate R leadership was not involved in crafting language and even stipulating to Lankford what to push for and what to give on. This was a team effort. They knew and approved what was finalized.

Not a one w any integrity.
 
I dont understand how Trump can possibly use border security now to campaign on after shutting down this bill. If it was important he should have claimed responsibility for its success. Now Biden can campaign on and push for stronger border security for the rest of the year and take that option away from him without even having to be successful because "Trump killed the bill". I get Trump wanting to use it now with the economy picking up and inflation easing but I don't know how you do that now with this very public bill killing by him.
 
You fell for this stupidity too
Fell for what? I posted the current POTUS response on the border bill situation in a thread about the Border

Doesn't mean it's right or wrong or anyone supports anything...it's just literally the POTUS response to the border bill
 
Or confirmation bias. Either way
I've posted like at least 3-4 things Trump has said about this bill and his opposition to it...I've posted the GOP House Leader words and statements on it, I've posted multiple GOP senators and House Reps words and remarks about it...and the first time I post the actual POTUS remarks about the bill all of a sudden it's confirmation bias???

It sure is because you just confirmed your own bias with this ridiculous crap
 
I've posted like at least 3-4 things Trump has said about this bill and his opposition to it...I've posted the GOP House Leader words and statements on it, I've posted multiple GOP senators and House Reps words and remarks about it...and the first time I post the actual POTUS remarks about the bill all of a sudden it's confirmation bias???

It sure is because you just confirmed your own bias with this ridiculous crap
Haha. No. You are spam.
 
Article about Langford. While I don't always agree with him, he is clearly as good as it gets for republicans these days.


By Kayla Guo
Reporting from the Capitol
Feb. 7, 2024, 5:03 a.m. ET

It was late on a Thursday afternoon in the marbled halls of the Senate, and a small group of negotiators — one Republican, one Democrat and one independent — had just about finished a painstakingly put together border security compromise it took them months to forge.
But what should have been a triumphant moment felt more like an ordeal for the lone Republican in the trio.
“I feel like the guy standing in the middle of the field in a thunderstorm, holding up the metal stick,” Senator James Lankford, the Oklahoma Republican who was his party’s lead broker of the deal, told reporters last week.
The plight of Mr. Lankford, a slim, understated Baptist minister with a neatly combed shock of red hair and a baritone voice that regularly delivers deadpan quips, reflects the extraordinary rise and fall of the border and Ukraine deal that is expected to collapse in a test vote in the Senate on Wednesday — and the political forces within the Republican Party that brought it down.

For months, Mr. Lankford, a staunch conservative, labored over the package alongside Senators Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, and Kyrsten Sinema, an Arizona independent, demanding strict immigration policies his party insisted must be a part of any bill to send a fresh infusion of aid to Ukraine. But when Mr. Lankford managed to extract them, he found his fellow Republicans unwilling to embrace the plan, in a vivid illustration of how the political ground for any compromise on immigration has vanished for a party that has decided the issue is too valuable as a political weapon to resolve.
 

Republican Chip Roy Hits Trump Over Border Claim in Floor Speech: ‘With All Due Respect, That Didn’t Happen’​


Roy then turned his attention to remarks Trump made on social media saying the president has the unilateral ability to “close” the border.

“ALL A PRESIDENT HAS TO DO IS SAY, “CLOSE THE BORDER,” AND THE BORDER WILL BE CLOSED,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “A COSTLY NEW BILL IS NOT NECESSARY!”

The congressman stated:

And no, we’re not just going to pass the buck and say that, “Oh, any president can walk in and secure the border.” I saw former President Trump make that allegation earlier today on one of his social media posts. All a president has to do is declare the border’s closed and it’s closed. Well, with all due respect, that didn’t happen in 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. There were millions of people that came in the United States during those four years.
But what did happen was that that administration, led by the president, led by people who believe in America, led by strong leaders at DHS, they worked to secure the border, they worked to get those numbers down. They worked to force Mexico to hold people in place with the migrant protection protocols.
 
You'd certainly know all about confirmation bias.
Trump LITERALLY went to his social Media and stated to "Blame Him" for the border deal failing...which I posted in this very Thread

Then the FOLLOWING day the current POTUS goes on live TV and Blames Donald Trump for the border bill failing. Which I post in this thread.

And the second is called confirmation bias!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Guy One.. Blame Me I did it
Guy two...Ok You did it

Guy 3 Your bias against guy One for saying he did it!!


UMMM what. There has been some disconnect with reality.
 
Trump LITERALLY went to his social Media and stated to "Blame Him" for the border deal failing...which I posted in this very Thread

Then the FOLLOWING day the current POTUS goes on live TV and Blames Donald Trump for the border bill failing. Which I post in this thread.

And the second is called confirmation bias!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Guy One.. Blame Me I did it
Guy two...Ok You did it

Guy 3 Your bias against guy one for saying he did it!!


UMMM what. There has been some disconnect with reality.
Recognize whom you're dealing with and act accordingly. *shoulder shrug*
 

Lankford: Commentator threatened to 'destroy' me for trying to fix border in election year​

Sen. James Lankford (R-Oklahoma), who was the lead Republican negotiator in the bipartisan border security legislation, didn't hold back in blasting the far-right media ecosystem for its role in tanking the 370-page bill he spent weeks crafting.

Ahead of the US Senate's vote on the bill Republicans have already signaled they won't pass, Lankford shared a threat he received from an unnamed far-right "popular political commentator" that they would target him over his efforts to pass a bipartisan package to address the ongoing flow of migrants at the Southern border currently overwhelming law enforcement.
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"I had a popular commentator four weeks ago that I talked to... that told me flat out if you try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during this presidential year, I will do whatever I can to destroy you," Lankford said. "Because I do not want you to solve this during the presidential election. By the way, they have been faithful to their promise and have done everything they can to destroy me in the past several weeks."


Lankford's assertion that the commentator followed through on that threat may be related to the Oklahoma Republican Party voting to censure him in late January. Oklahoma state senator Dusty Deevers tweeted the censure resolution, which accused Oklahoma's senior US senator of "playing fast and loose with Democrats on our border policy" and demanded he "cease and desist jeopardizing the security and liberty of the people of Oklahoma and the United States."



Wednesday's vote on the doomed bill is the culmination of Republicans fighting hard for far-right immigration policies, winning concessions on the vast bulk of their demands, then abruptly scuttling the deal after former President Donald Trump warned GOP lawmakers not to support it in an effort to deny President Joe Biden a victory on his biggest campaign issue.

In December, as the US Senate was mulling a supplemental foreign aid package to help Ukraine in its fight against Russian incursion on its own borders — along with additional funding for Israel and Taiwan — House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) insisted the bill wouldn't pass muster in his chamber without money to bolster security on the Southern border.

"The battle is for the border," Johnson said late last year. "We do that first as a top priority, and we’ll take care of these other obligations."



Watch the video of Lankford's remarks below, or by clicking this link.
 
It will be interesting how this campaigns. Why do Mango and Magastanians want to campaign so hard on immigration?

The presidency and likely the House will be won w Moderates and Indies. These are not partisans and they tend to be policy driven voters.

They also don’t lean towards the “I alone can fix it”. They expect government to work for the people not tribes or sects.

The Ds will hammer this issue and the extreme stance Magastanians are taking on abortion. Mango has gifted them the moderates on this issue.
 
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