Biden 2024 Run Thread
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Gary Null said on Tuesday that he doubts that Biden will be allowed to debate out of fear he is too incoherent. And that the October surprise will be that Hillary Clinton will replace Biden. Oh, no, not again.
Clayton Morris says that Biden will soon resign saying it's due to health reasons and will be replaced by Gavin Newsom. Gerald Celente agrees.
I assume that Roger Stone still thinks that Biden will be replaced by Michelle Obama at the Democrat Convention.
I say let both Biden and Trump debate each other so we can see how much they both need to be replaced.
Clayton Morris says that Biden will soon resign saying it's due to health reasons and will be replaced by Gavin Newsom. Gerald Celente agrees.
I assume that Roger Stone still thinks that Biden will be replaced by Michelle Obama at the Democrat Convention.
I say let both Biden and Trump debate each other so we can see how much they both need to be replaced.
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Democrats Privately Discuss Replacing Biden on Presidential Ticket
ATLANTA—President Biden’s halting performance against Donald Trump on Thursday left the Democratic Party in turmoil, with officials trying to sort through the president’s prospects after an appearance in which he stumbled over words, stammered through many answers and elevated widespread voter concerns that he is too old to serve.
For months, many Democrats have argued that the 81-year-old president is fit for a second term. But following the debate, some Democratic strategists, donors and advisers to donors said they were shocked by Biden’s showing, which they said had spurred private discussions about replacing him on the presidential ticket. They acknowledged, however, that the chances of the president withdrawing remained slim.
The panic was widespread, they said, but there was little consensus on a plan forward. Some tried to game out scenarios that could lead to a change at the top of the ticket, like high-ranking party officials publicly calling for Biden to step aside. Others said they felt a sense of resignation, knowing only a handful of people close to the president had the power to do anything.
One Biden ally said he had to turn off the TV several times. Another said Biden’s performance made even Trump, 78, who repeated falsehoods throughout the 90-minute event, look like a statesman. Some also expressed concerns about the effect the debate would have on Biden’s fundraising at a time when Trump is poised to wipe out the president’s financial advantage.
“I’m very worried,” said one Democratic lawmaker, adding that constituents don’t like Trump but were shaken by Biden’s performance. “I’m on my knees praying it’s not too late to replace him. This was so avoidable,” the lawmaker said.
Another Democratic elected official said that many Democratic members of Congress were panicked after the debate, saying that some, including those loyal to the White House, want a new nominee.
“Joe Biden had one thing he had to do tonight and he didn’t do it,” former Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.) said on MSNBC. “He had one thing he had to accomplish, and that was reassure America that he was up to the job at his age. And he failed at that.”
Several advisers to prominent Democrats seen as potential presidential candidates in 2028 received messages from donors expressing their concerns about the president’s showing, according to people briefed on the discussions.
If Biden were to withdraw before the Democrats’ national nominating convention in August—which remains a remote possibility—it would raise the prospect of an open convention, in which delegates would be free to abandon commitments made to Biden during the primary elections and to back a new nominee. If he were to withdraw after the convention, a special meeting of the Democratic National Committee would decide the party’s presidential ticket, according to the DNC’s rules.
Biden dismissed concerns about his debate performance and calls for him to drop out. “I think we did well,” he told reporters during a stop at a Waffle House after the debate.
“It’s hard to debate a liar,” Biden added, referring to Trump.
A Biden adviser said that the campaign never expected the race to turn on one event or one night and that it will continue to make efforts to break through with a largely locked-in electorate. The adviser also said Biden’s circle is used to being counted out, noting that the president at one point faced calls to exit from the 2020 Democratic primary. “Of course Joe Biden is not dropping out,” the adviser said.
Biden’s campaign also argued that Trump’s performance was a turnoff to the independent voters who could decide the election, citing their own survey of voters in a Midwestern state. The campaign said that 11 p.m. to midnight Thursday was the best grassroots fundraising hour of the campaign.
For many voters, the debate was likely to have been the first real exposure to Biden in recent months, given that he has kept a relatively muted public presence and that many voters pay little attention to politics. The onstage contest between two men who have served as president was likely to be the first event prompting less-interested voters to tune into the campaign.
Some undecided voters said they were stunned by Biden’s demeanor.
“I was like, holy crap, he doesn’t have a whole lot of life or vigor in him—not for the most powerful man in the free world,” said Roman DeWitt, 27, of Phoenix. “It was rough watching an 81-year-old man up there.”
DeWitt, who voted for Biden in 2020 and described himself as “very left leaning,” said he would never vote for Trump. But he remains undecided on whether he would cast a ballot for Biden in November. “A vote for Biden is just a vote for the vice president,’’ said DeWitt, who said he doesn’t support Vice President Kamala Harris. “I’m just not confident in Biden’s ability to really make it another four years.”
Laura Eklund, 49, of Elko, Nev., said she was surprised by how much Biden’s age showed during the debate.
Eklund—a Republican who has supported Democrats in the past and is undecided about how she will vote in November—said that if Biden were her father, “I would probably ask him not to proceed. His overall appearance has substantially changed. He stuttered before in the past, but not like he did this time.”
But Eklund, a health and safety manager for an exploration drilling company, said she wasn’t happy with Trump’s performance either. “I felt they both acted like children, unfortunately,” she said.
Polls have consistently found that voters believe both Biden and Trump are too old to serve as president, but that more feel Biden isn’t up to the job. Nearly three-quarters of voters said in a Wall Street Journal survey in February that Biden is too old to run for the presidency, and more than half said so of Trump.
One Biden donor called the president’s performance “very disappointing and disturbing,” adding it was “hard to understand.” The donor said it was so different from Biden’s vigorous State of the Union address. “Just can’t figure it out,” the donor said.
Some large-dollar Biden donors expressed concern about his debate showing. One donor said there were increasing worries that Biden looked and sounded too old. Another said it was so bad they didn’t want to talk about it. A third referred to it as “awful.” A fourth said: “He was so bad.”
Still, some of the large donors were skeptical the Democrats would make a dramatic change so close to the election. One of the donors said the Democratic Party is “too committed to him at this point to pivot.” A different one said: “It’s hard. There’s nothing anyone can do.” Another Democratic donor said that Biden should step aside to let another Democrat run but predicted that the president wouldn’t do so.
Republicans said that Biden’s performance was so disturbing that their concern transcended partisanship.
“It’s over,” said Mark Harris, a Republican political consultant in Pennsylvania. “It’s over. Either Democrats replace him, or he’s going to lose the election … Joe Biden cannot win this election.”
Harris added, “I think for a lot of Americans, it’s now clear that Joe Biden cannot execute the duties of the president. I legitimately am worried that he’s not capable of being president though January, let alone for another four years.”
By contrast, Stuart Stevens, a top strategist for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney, disputed the idea that the debate had damaged Biden’s standing. Stevens, who is now with an anti-Trump group, the Lincoln Project, said that former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama lost ground in opinion polls after the first debates of their re-election campaigns but went on to win.
“I’d rather be Biden than a guy from Queens out on bail, bragging about overturning Roe v. Wade and defending Jan. 6,’’ said Stevens, referring to Trump and the 2021 Capitol riot. “Trump didn’t reframe his candidacy, and I think that’s the essential thing.”
Democrats didn’t immediately come down to the spin room in Atlanta where top surrogates gather after the debate. When they did, they spoke for less than 15 minutes and took a few questions about Biden’s performance on the debate stage.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, was asked repeatedly whether he would consider replacing Biden on the ticket. He said that he didn’t believe the party should change nominees. “Our nominee is Joe Biden, I’m looking forward to voting for him in November, he’s going to be our nominee,” he said, trailed by reporters as he walked through the spin room.
“You don’t turn your back because of one performance,” Newsom said during an MSNBC TV interview. “What kind of party does that?”
It's not too late for Dems to choose another candidate. Here's how it would work.
- Biden's debate performance has led to mounting pressure for him to bow out of the presidential race.
- Experts said it's not too late, but a decision to drop out could lead to chaos, like in 1968.
- Biden could say he's not running, resign as president, or face delegate defections.
Following the president's fumbled debate performance on Thursday, this question could be on many people's minds.
And as Business Insider has previously written, history can usually guide us on what could happen.
In 1968, when President Lyndon B. Johnson dropped out of the race, his vice president, Hubert Humphrey, entered the Democratic primary, but he was too late to get on some states' ballots.
Humphrey amassed a larger share of delegates than his rivals, Robert F. Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy, but did not have the majority needed for the nomination.
This led to a contested Democratic National Convention in Chicago, marked by violent protests.
The nation, already facing upheaval with the Vietnam War and the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., had been thrown into shock and mourning when Kennedy, the younger brother of late President John F. Kennedy, was assassinated in Los Angeles.
Delegates eventually voted to name Humphrey the nominee, but he ultimately lost the election to former Vice President Richard Nixon.
Biden may choose not to stand, but it could lead to chaos
If Biden were to drop out of the race before August, when Democrats are scheduled to formally nominate a candidate in Chicago, there would likely be another contested convention.Mitch Robertson, a lecturer in US modern political history at University College London, told BI that such a scenario would evoke the tumultuous events of 1968 — a comparison that he said was both apt and disheartening.
Robertson said that, like 1968, which was precipitated by Johnson announcing that he wouldn't run for president, Biden would need to make the decision to decline his party's nomination.
Like Johnson, he could also pledge to serve the rest of his term in office.
Still, it would kick off a contest to find his replacement, as there is no formal mechanism for Biden to automatically anoint his successor.
Robertson said that the process could be bad news for the Democrats.
"The lessons of 1968 and the convention of 1968 in particular have always loomed large in the Democratic mind and the US political history mind as an unmitigated disaster," he said.
In 1968, it led to chaos and an election loss, which Robertson said would be the Democrats' main fears of a contested convention, "that it would do the same thing all over again."
It takes a majority of the roughly 4,000 pledged delegates to win the party's nomination. In the primaries and caucuses, Biden won 3,900 delegates.
Thomas Gift, director of UCL's Center on US Politics, explained that if Biden bows out, and the DNC rules don't change, his pledged delegates would become uncommitted, potentially leading to lobbying and voting for a replacement.
"I think that is still quite unlikely, but it is more likely than it was before last night," he told BI.
Gift said a key challenge is that there is "no obvious heir apparent."
Typically, the vice president is the go-to individual, but Gift said Vice President Kamala Harris's approval ratings are too low for her to be a serious contender.
"I think a lot of individuals would want to throw their hat into the ring," he said. "I think it would have the potential to create a lot of disorder, chaos, and conflict within the party."
Mark Shanahan, an associate professor at the University of Surrey, whose research focuses on US presidential politics, said the "best bet" is that Biden throws his support behind a strong new candidate before the August convention.
Governors Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer, as well as Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg, are seen as potential candidates.
Shanahan continued: "The worst-case scenario for the Democrats is there's no clear succession by the time of the convention, which becomes, in effect, an 'open convention' and who takes on Trump in November is decided through a divisive faction floor fight in Chicago."
Biden could resign, but Harris wouldn't automatically become the nominee
Biden could go one step further. Under intense pressure, he could resign as president.It would make Harris the president, but not necessarily the nominee.
"Even if Kamala Harris is president, it still doesn't mean that Biden can say, 'All my delegates are now hers,'" Iwan Morgan, emeritus professor of US History at UCL's Institute of the Americas, told BI.
"The rules are very clear," he said. "You're committed to a particular person on the first ballot."
The delegates wouldn't automatically transfer to Harris, so she would still need to win a majority of delegates at the convention, which Morgan said would involve a lot of "horse-trading" and intense lobbying.
Delegates could defect
Another scenario, which the experts said is pretty unlikely, is that delegates could defect en masse."Unchartered waters doesn't even begin to describe it," Morgan said. "Yes, they could do that, but it would need to be coordinated."
While delegates aren't legally bound to their candidates, they are largely presumed to be loyal.
The current DNC rules read that "delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them."
Theoretically, this provides some wiggle room, but not much.
"The point is the DNC is under Biden's control," he said. "It's just a question of what kind of influence can be brought to bear on Biden."
It's not too late, but it wouldn't be easy
Morgan said the Democrats still have time because the election campaign "proper" doesn't typically start until Labor Day in September.However, he added that for a smooth process, "the sooner they can move Biden, the more chance they have to prepare for the convention."
John Owens, a professor of US government and faculty fellow at the American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies, told BI via email that "given Biden's insistence on this early debate, there may be enough time for Democrats to turn this round."
But he said it's going to be a tall order and will depend on the flexibility of the party, as well as state rules and regulations making this possible.
Owens said one thing is clear to him: "Biden is toast, and if the Dems do not turn this around, US democratic procedures and culture may also be toast."
I'm confused as to why everyone is in a panic this morning but were just fine yesterday morning? There is nothing surprising about what we saw in the debate last night....from either side.
Freak out mode should have happened 8 months ago.
Freak out mode should have happened 8 months ago.
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UrbanCowboy
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It wouldn't be chaos for him to step down - the election is still months away and the conventions haven't even happened yet.
I wish both of them would step down and let someone who wasn't born closer to the Civil War than to today be president. Think about that for a second. Biden already is older than that, and Trump would be within his own term. It's honestly disgusting that it's come to this.
mugatu
Ranger
Undecided voters say they now support Joe Biden after debate
A group of undecided Latino voters said they would support President Joe Biden over former President Donald Trump.
www.newsweek.com
Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago.
NYT Editorial Board calling for Biden to step down as a candidate. Wow.
OPINION
THE EDITORIAL BOARD
To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
June 28, 2024, 5:59 p.m. ETBy The Editorial Board
The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.
President Biden has repeatedly and rightfully described the stakes in this November’s presidential election as nothing less than the future of American democracy.
Donald Trump has proved himself to be a significant jeopardy to that democracy — an erratic and self-interested figure unworthy of the public trust. He systematically attempted to undermine the integrity of elections. His supporters have described, publicly, a 2025 agenda that would give him the power to carry out the most extreme of his promises and threats. If he is returned to office, he has vowed to be a different kind of president, unrestrained by the checks on power built into the American political system.
Mr. Biden has said that he is the candidate with the best chance of taking on this threat of tyranny and defeating it. His argument rests largely on the fact that he beat Mr. Trump in 2020. That is no longer a sufficient rationale for why Mr. Biden should be the Democratic nominee this year.
At Thursday’s debate, the president needed to convince the American public that he was equal to the formidable demands of the office he is seeking to hold for another term. Voters, however, cannot be expected to ignore what was instead plain to see: Mr. Biden is not the man he was four years ago.
The president appeared on Thursday night as the shadow of a great public servant. He struggled to explain what he would accomplish in a second term. He struggled to respond to Mr. Trump’s provocations. He struggled to hold Mr. Trump accountable for his lies, his failures and his chilling plans. More than once, he struggled to make it to the end of a sentence.
Mr. Biden has been an admirable president. Under his leadership, the nation has prospered and begun to address a range of long-term challenges, and the wounds ripped open by Mr. Trump have begun to heal. But the greatest public service Mr. Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election.
They are not wrong.Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago.www.nytimes.com
NYT Editorial Board calling for Biden to step down as a candidate. Wow.
OPINION
THE EDITORIAL BOARD
To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
June 28, 2024, 5:59 p.m. ET
By The Editorial Board
The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.
President Biden has repeatedly and rightfully described the stakes in this November’s presidential election as nothing less than the future of American democracy.
Donald Trump has proved himself to be a significant jeopardy to that democracy — an erratic and self-interested figure unworthy of the public trust. He systematically attempted to undermine the integrity of elections. His supporters have described, publicly, a 2025 agenda that would give him the power to carry out the most extreme of his promises and threats. If he is returned to office, he has vowed to be a different kind of president, unrestrained by the checks on power built into the American political system.
Mr. Biden has said that he is the candidate with the best chance of taking on this threat of tyranny and defeating it. His argument rests largely on the fact that he beat Mr. Trump in 2020. That is no longer a sufficient rationale for why Mr. Biden should be the Democratic nominee this year.
At Thursday’s debate, the president needed to convince the American public that he was equal to the formidable demands of the office he is seeking to hold for another term. Voters, however, cannot be expected to ignore what was instead plain to see: Mr. Biden is not the man he was four years ago.
The president appeared on Thursday night as the shadow of a great public servant. He struggled to explain what he would accomplish in a second term. He struggled to respond to Mr. Trump’s provocations. He struggled to hold Mr. Trump accountable for his lies, his failures and his chilling plans. More than once, he struggled to make it to the end of a sentence.
Mr. Biden has been an admirable president. Under his leadership, the nation has prospered and begun to address a range of long-term challenges, and the wounds ripped open by Mr. Trump have begun to heal. But the greatest public service Mr. Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election.
HacklemanPoke
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You are a d!@k! Please delete this post.
UrbanCowboy
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I'm voting Biden and I thought it was funny. Serious question that maybe I'm missing something - why should this be deleted?
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