I agree that Space-X is amazing. How much of it is him being a visionary, and how much of the credit should go to the people that actually did the work to make it happen?
2024 Presidential Election
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No one remembers the people that worked for Edison (except Tesla). History doesn't always give credit where it's really deserved.
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hard to read tone on messages...were you being sarcastic with this? or serious?...I honestly can't tell...
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kind of like in HS where the cliques of kids gravitate to each other...and the majority of his followers are the goofballs who want to be invited to eat lunch with them...
I believe musk joined Tesla 6 months after it was founded and four years before they began production.
His endgame is more power and money, trump will give him both.
And, to be fair, to keep his power, he didn't get a lot of choice. Despite Tesla being an American company making the most American made cars, Tesla was completely shunned by the Biden administration. In 2021, Tesla made 3/4s of the EVs on the road and the White House had an "EV summit" and invited the CEOs of GM and Ford and nobody from Tesla. That is purposefully making an enemy and simply an idiotic move (likely kowtowing to unions).
Take a narcissist who has the largest American car company by market cap and by far the largest EV company and shun him from every government event and have multiple agencies go after him. At that point, it doesn't matter if he was previously a centrist dem, he is going to protect his companies, wealth, and ego with the politician that will work for him. Yep, he's an a$$, but I can't blame him for this move at all.
How Joe Biden drove Elon Musk into the arms of Donald Trump
Musk's endorsement of Trump has fueled speculation that it may be influenced by regulatory pressures from the Biden administration.
www.newsweek.com
Honestly, to me it sort of shows how little the president really matters.
The U.S. presidential election is less than three weeks away. Yet, neither candidate—Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris or former Republican President Donald Trump—looks to have a commanding lead in the polls.
If voters can agree on anything, it’s that the economy is a top concern in this year’s contentious race. It is debatable whether any sitting president, or vice president, can exert much control over an economy as large and complex as that of the U.S. Yet, both candidates are running on their respective administrations’ economic records, so let’s have a closer look.
(charts too big to copy paste but free link to Barrons.)
The Trump vs. Biden-Harris Economy, in 10 Charts
The U.S. presidential election is less than three weeks away. Yet, neither candidate—Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris or former Republican President Donald Trump—looks to have a commanding lead in the polls.
If voters can agree on anything, it’s that the economy is a top concern in this year’s contentious race. It is debatable whether any sitting president, or vice president, can exert much control over an economy as large and complex as that of the U.S. Yet, both candidates are running on their respective administrations’ economic records, so let’s have a closer look.
(charts too big to copy paste but free link to Barrons.)
And, to be fair, to keep his power, he didn't get a lot of choice. Despite Tesla being an American company making the most American made cars, Tesla was completely shunned by the Biden administration. In 2021, Tesla made 3/4s of the EVs on the road and the White House had an "EV summit" and invited the CEOs of GM and Ford and nobody from Tesla. That is purposefully making an enemy and simply an idiotic move (likely kowtowing to unions).
Take a narcissist who has the largest American car company by market cap and by far the largest EV company and shun him from every government event and have multiple agencies go after him. At that point, it doesn't matter if he was previously a centrist dem, he is going to protect his companies, wealth, and ego with the politician that will work for him. Yep, he's an a$$, but I can't blame him for this move at all.
How Joe Biden drove Elon Musk into the arms of Donald Trump
Musk's endorsement of Trump has fueled speculation that it may be influenced by regulatory pressures from the Biden administration.
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That was a ridiculously stupid move on Bidens part. Dems want to go all in on EV's but they snub their nose at the EV king.
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getting ready for work this AM, tv showed early mail in voting percentages and was surprised that Reps was higher than Dems...interesting...wondering if it means anything...my gut feeling is don is gonna win this election...my maga buddy told me this AM that his gut feeling is Kamala is gonna win...maybe we are both just gearing up for the scenario we don't want...
mugatu
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For which state and what source? Actual tally or just votes by registration.
NBC is showing Dem lead in at least MN, MI, PA, WI, NC and NV...though some of those are very close. I think Rep early turnout is much higher than 2020, but request for mail in was much higher so that shpuld be expected. Also don't know anything other than registration counts, not actual votes.
All that said, I don't feel confident about the outcome this cycle.
Early Voting and Mail-In Ballots by State 2024 Results
View the results for mail-in and early in-person ballots in your state for the 2024 general elections
www.nbcnews.com
Republicans Eat Into Democrats’ Early Voting Advantage
More than 15 million Americans have already voted, as both parties scour data for clues on turnout
Democrats have a clear edge in early voting so far, but Republicans are embracing the practice of casting their ballots before Election Day more than they have in past election cycles, despite former President Donald Trump sending mixed signals on the issue.
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Good Morning America. Just saw it while passing through living room. I want to say it was just comparing 2020 and 2024 early mail in voting by party. And Reps #s were way up. (Not results, just using mail in)For which state and what source? Actual tally or just votes by registration.
NBC is showing Dem lead in at least MN, MI, PA, WI, NC and NV...though some of those are very close. I think Rep early turnout is much higher than 2020, but request for mail in was much higher so that shpuld be expected. Also don't know anything other than registration counts, not actual votes.
All that said, I don't feel confident about the outcome this cycle.
Early Voting and Mail-In Ballots by State 2024 Results
View the results for mail-in and early in-person ballots in your state for the 2024 general elections
Some math nerd figured out how many votes she needs to be ahead by in Pennsylvania going into election day to feel confident about her odds. That number is 500,000. As of this morning she's up by 420,000 and adding a 25k/day lead. So if that 25k/day holds she should be up ~670k by Nov 5.
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TargetSmart's Early Vote Dashboard
Early and absentee voting data is more important than ever. TargetSmart has created a site to paint a picture of the votes cast thus far. Check back often for updates.
Stillwater Townie
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I feel fairly confident. Republicans are running their own biased polls and trying to get them in the mix. And I like Gerald Celente for saying that Harris will win big. He may be a has been, but he still tries to go by data and the trends he sees in them, rather than by his own personal biases.For which state and what source? Actual tally or just votes by registration.
NBC is showing Dem lead in at least MN, MI, PA, WI, NC and NV...though some of those are very close. I think Rep early turnout is much higher than 2020, but request for mail in was much higher so that shpuld be expected. Also don't know anything other than registration counts, not actual votes.
All that said, I don't feel confident about the outcome this cycle.
Early Voting and Mail-In Ballots by State 2024 Results
View the results for mail-in and early in-person ballots in your state for the 2024 general elections
Bear in mind that Trump couldn't even beat a senile old man, Biden, who didn't have much charisma when not acting too old.
Trump has been his own worst enemy with his stunts and awful, disgusting things he says and hopefully all that will backfire.
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Stillwater Townie
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mugatu
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I'm probably trying to prevent a surprise disappointment like 2016. The "don't count him out because sh!t happens in this country" mindset. Although, holy crap is he extra far off his rocker this year.
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