Let me get this straight. Rob brings up the fact that the government basically invited tens of millions of undocumented and unvaccinated illegals to invade our country during an unprecedented epidemic in a thread titled “Vaccines”. Then you follow up with some insane whataboutism BS about Musk cutting government fat. And Rob derailed the thread??? I guess you really are that dense.
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Off topic? The OP was about turning from vaccines. I'm sorry if it messed up your "tRump" circle jerk.
He’s now the pivot man in the “We hate Elon” circle jerk.
Again, what do immigration policies have to do with the average Americans trust in our vaccination protocols?
It feels like you deliberately derailed the thread and that seems weird to me.
mugatu
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Yes, there are huge inefficiencies in the fed gov - as with ANY large organization. The solution isn't cut people first and then deal with the fallout due to under-staffed agencies (i.e. the sh!tshow that was twitter for 6+ months after Elon cleaned house). The solution is to find ways to reduce the beaurocracy and actually connect agencies, streamline processes and improve -gasp- efficiency.
Redundancy or unnecessary paperwork is a prime place to make things more efficient - e.g., forms that have no real purpose and all information is provided elsewhere but must be filled out because it's on the other form.
Once you've gotten all the stupid crap smoothed out for an agency, then you can see where staffing is and adjust.
ATF is a prime example. They've been under funded for years and prevented from automating anything. That's why background checks and forms take forever and most aren't completed prior to deadline. Allow them to actually perform their role by modernizing.
It's also about pumping Dogecoin. Hence the name.
Do I really have to spell it out?
OK, is it possible average Americans don't trust Vax protocols because the same government worried about it's employees being vaccinated has zero cares about millions of unvaccinated being allowed in?
I feel like you're being intentionally obtuse here.
Brace yourself.
Pumping, for sure. Elon wants to fire current Federal employees to make room for his people from his company. We only thought we had an oligarchy before. This is the real deal.
Elon Musk Helped Elect Trump. What Does He Expect in Return?
The world’s richest man gave his money and time in campaigning for the president-elect and now is putting in his requests for a friendlier regulatory environment.
Elon Musk Helped Elect Trump. What Does He Expect in Return?
The world’s richest man gave his money and time in campaigning for the president-elect and now is putting in his requests for a friendlier regulatory environment.Even before Donald J. Trump was re-elected, his best-known backer, Elon Musk, had come to him with a request for his presidential transition.
He wanted Mr. Trump to hire some employees from Mr. Musk’s rocket company, SpaceX, as top government officials — including at the Defense Department, according to two people briefed on the calls.
That request, which would seed SpaceX employees into an agency that is one of its biggest customers, is a sign of the benefits that Mr. Musk may reap after investing more than $100 million in Mr. Trump’s campaign, pushing out a near-constant stream of pro-Trump material on his social media platform, X, and making public appearances on the candidate’s behalf across the hard-fought state of Pennsylvania.
The outreach regarding the SpaceX employees, which hasn’t been reported, shows the extent to which Mr. Musk wants to fill a potential Trump administration with his closest confidants even as his billions of dollars in government contracts pose a conflict to any government role.
They’ll be calling you a stupid redneck, Nazi, racist, homophobic, vaccine denier in 3,2,1….Immediately followed by links to at least a dozen double blind, peer reviewed studies that prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the flu vaccine is in fact 101.9639% effective when taken in tandem with the Covid vaccine that will 100% keep you from contracting or spreading Covid. It’s science.For what, more "but tRump"?
I promise that doesn't take any bracing anymore.
I don't think it has anything to do with it. When I think of immigration, the last thing I think of is if they had a covid vaccine, or any vaccine for that matter. To me it seems like a weird excuse.
It got me to thinking though, are we talking about everyone who comes cross the border or just those who are detained, processed, and allowed entry? Because those are two separate populations. I don't think it's fair to blame the government for people who crossed without being caught. You can debate how effective immigration policies are in a different thread, but here it's unfair to say vaccination policies for government employees are bs because people we don't account for crossing the border may or may not be vaccinated.
For anyone detained though, if they wish to obtain residence in the US through any means, they are required to have updated vaccinations for multiple diseases, including COVID. In addition, there are multiple avenues for undocumented immigrants to be vaccinated for COVID without fear of their immigration status being questioned.
So, for the "millions and millions" who can just stroll into the US, if they are detained at the border they need to be vaccinated before they are let through. If they aren't, well its hard to know if someone is vaccinated if you dont know they are here. But they have opportunities to get it without worrying about being sent back wherever they are from.
So, why do you think the government doesn't care if someone crossing the border is vaccinated when it's a requirement if they go through proper channels and it's free to do if they don't?
I think the flu vaccine is generally around 50% effective. No clue on the current COVID variant, but I'm sure the information is easily available if you spent 5 minutes on Google. And there are people here who know a lot more about this stuff than any of us.
That was one of the amazing things about the initial mRNA COVID vaccines-95% effectiveness. But apparently alot of people didn't understand what that meant (or how vaccines work in general) and it gave people hoping for it to fail ammunition when it wasn't 100%.
PF5
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nobody (scientists included) ever said vaccines are 100% in warding off flu, COVID, measles, etc...that's just the deniers mentality in 'proving' that they aren't necessary...the fact that 80% of US had at least one dose, and 70% were fully vaccinated was the main reason COVID became controllable...same with other vaccines that help prevent childhood diseases...
Eh, there were people pretty high up and I think even Biden himself that said "if you get vaccinated, you will not get COVID." That was never true. And I think those people almost did more harm to the CDC's official messaging than the rightwing media. But yeah, whatever the talking heads said, if you went on the CDC's website they went out of their way to say that not all vaccines are 100% effective yada yada yada.
80% of America got at least one round of the covid shot because we were told if you get the shot covid stops there you won't get it or give it. Then they got covid. Then you needed a booster. Then they got covid.
Then the Cleveland Clinic study came out.
That's why people don't trust vaccines as much as they used to. See the measles chart our whole lives vaccines meant you didn't get something.
That is in no way shape or form a statement to say the vaccine provided no protection against covid or lessen the severity of cases. I am not saying that.
Then the Cleveland Clinic study came out.
That's why people don't trust vaccines as much as they used to. See the measles chart our whole lives vaccines meant you didn't get something.
That is in no way shape or form a statement to say the vaccine provided no protection against covid or lessen the severity of cases. I am not saying that.
PF5
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not sure where you got that info...but, when I decided to receive COVID vaccine I knew it wasn't to guarantee I would not get COVID or spread it, I was under the assumption that it would help in limiting the severity of the illness and the conditions post COVID, and help to limit the spread...
