Tu quoque.
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Yep.
Also an inaccurate characterization of my attitude towards the border and immigration.
Full summery is below. Fairly scathing review of how Covid was handled all around.
FINAL REPORT: COVID Select Concludes 2-Year Investigation, Issues 500+ Page Final Report on Lessons Learned and the Path Forward - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountabilityoversight.house.gov
I don't know much about this committee, but it's composed of representatives from both parties. It can't be complete BS.
As someone who spent 12 hours a day in rooms with the sickest of the sick COVID patients, I can tell you that is absolute bullshit.
If you look through the findings of this committee, Every. Single. One is the republican talking point. Could some, many, or even most be correct? Sure.
But, let's be honest. If a committee finding blamed Trump for every single thing wrong and claimed that mandates, lockdowns, distancing etc were all glorious things that really helped, would you believe it, or would you call it a partisan committee wasting taxpayer money?
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Tell me how this isn't partisan.
Trump encourage rapid development and authorization of the COVID vaccine, and that was "higly successful" and "saved lives."
Biden, SAME vaccine, "rushed" the approval on an "arbitrary timeline" so blamed for adverse events.
Can you explain how Trump being "rapid" saved lives but Biden being "rushed" caused harm with the same vaccine?
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about politicians. Didn't realize we were talking about each other...
There are still no data showing effectiveness of ivermectin as an antiviral. There have been zero clinical trials which have shown effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin. There was, however, a run on HCQ which caused a shortage and caused other patients taking it for other reasons to not be able to get it. There were also people who were harmed by taking veterinary dosage forms and the wrong dosages. There were also people who were experimenting with off-label drugs without informed consent or IRB oversight. That’s violating both the Nuremberg Code and the Belmont Declaration, human rights violations.
The vaccine failed to stop the spread or transmission AND saved millions of lives. How, exactly?
I was clear during the time I thought we were being misled on a lot of stuff, and it had nothing to do with the president.
I also read 100s of your post at the time and don't discount any of it in regard to the severity. I know I argued with you then, but in the early stages I was in a bit of denial.
Now that we are 5 years after the fact what are your thoughts. Social distancing, masks, vaccines, even heard immunity. What in your opinion was and wasn't BS.
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*herd immunity
Report 9: Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID-19 mortality and healthcare demand
16 March 2020 Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team
DOI: https://doi.org/10.25561/77482
Note the date that this paper came out, 16 March 2020. On Tuesday, March 17 our university president said we weren't going to change anything we were doing. On Wednesday March 18 Gov. Dewine (R) called a meeting with all university presidents. On Thursday our university president told us that we were sending our students home and to prepare to teach via Zoom beginning on the following Monday. It was this patient that laid out pretty much all the nonpharmaceutical interventions that we ended up following. And if you look at their predicted death rates with and without mitigation, they were pretty much dead on balls accurate. Notice carefully that they said in this paper in March 2020 that the aim of vaccines or drugs is not to interrupt transmission completely, but to reduce health impact. They've done that.
Because they’re playing both sides
They know they’re doing it
They DGAF
They are counting on their followers to mindlessly lap it up
Their followers will most likely oblige
I think you answered your own question. It's less mental gymnastics and more mental matrix style fighting.
Of course I answered my own question. Only a pack of buffoons would look at those two sentences and say “this looks good, let’s go with it.”
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