US continues to go backward...

[cowboyinexile]

That's not conservative vs liberal at all. That's someone high up with a personal vendetta. I'll never try to justify any insane thing he's ever done and I never have.

Yeah. None of this is conservative vs liberal.
For someone who says he won't justify insane things he's done, you spend alot of time tying to do just that.

 

[Rob B.]

Yeah. None of this is conservative vs liberal.
For someone who says he won't justify insane things he's done, you spend alot of time tying to do just that.

Yeah. What insane things have I justified?
Please be specific.

 

[steross]

I think it couldn't be more wrong and heads should roll for it with a ton of compensation. Does this still make me a magastani?

Lite.

Magastani Lite.

 

[Rob B.]

Lite.

Magastani Lite.

I'll take what I can get with this crowd.

 

[cowboyinexile]

Yeah. What insane things have I justified?
Please be specific.

I can look stuff up when I have the time, but off the top of my head:

1. Trump's transgender mice statement. You put up some bs about how that was what he was really talking about.

2. You have implied support of the current tariff policy. Did you post the infamous "ignore/panic" graph all of maga is throwing out there to somehow justify the recent stock market drop?

 

[mugatu]

I can look stuff up when I have the time, but off the top of my head:

1. Trump's transgender mice statement. You put up some bs about how that was what he was really talking about.

2. You have implied support of the current tariff policy. Did you post the infamous "ignore/panic" graph all of maga is throwing out there to somehow justify the recent stock market drop?

Pretty sure he defended the sending guys to El Salvador without going through court too. Otherwise there wouldn't have been pages of explaining why it was bad that first couple days.

 

[Rob B.]

I can look stuff up when I have the time, but off the top of my head:

1. Trump's transgender mice statement. You put up some bs about how that was what he was really talking about.

2. You have implied support of the current tariff policy. Did you post the infamous "ignore/panic" graph all of maga is throwing out there to somehow justify the recent stock market drop?

1. The "b.s." I put up was simply proving that there were, indeed, transgender mice studies after some of you raged that there was no such thing.

2. In 2022 the Nasdaq dropped 30% and the S&P 500 was down 20% and the media spent the year telling us that we weren’t in a recession and in fact the definition of a recession we had always used wasn’t actually correct.
Apparently they have now moved the goalposts back.

Sorry, I won't count either of those "insane".

 

[Rob B.]

Pretty sure he defended the sending guys to El Salvador without going through court too. Otherwise there wouldn't have been pages of explaining why it was bad that first couple days.

I defended sending already convicted illegal aliens. Nothing else.

 

[mugatu]

I defended sending already convicted illegal aliens. Nothing else.

Ok. They weren't convicted though and you kept arguing they must have been.

After seeing the reports on innocent people being sent and the government acknowledging that and still refusing to bring them back, do you think the process was acceptable?

 

[Rob B.]

Ok. They weren't convicted though and you kept arguing they must have been.

No, I said it was hard for me to believe that NONE of them were.
This is the kind of insane revisionist history you guys spew that makes it easy for me to stay on the right and still not agree with any of the insane things that Trump does do. Like sending college professors to El Salvador.

 

[mugatu]

No, I said it was hard for me to believe that NONE of them were.
This is the kind of insane revisionist history you guys spew that makes it easy for me to stay on the right and still not agree with any of the insane things that Trump does do. Like sending college professors to El Salvador.

Ahhh. I remember now, thanks for the reminder. Yep. It was the arguing that even though no one could find a single conviction in the US of those sent and reports were of lots of people with no criminal record here, there must have been at least 1 person that had a conviction. You know if they were sending off violent criminals this administration would be blasting the crimes they committed on repeat to drown out the calls for return of those that had done nothing and were legally allowed to be here.

I wonder what the chances are that if you gathered 250 people at random that at least 1 would be convicted of something in their past.

 

[Rob B.]

Ahhh. I remember now, thanks for the reminder. Yep. It was the arguing that even though no one could find a single conviction in the US of those sent and reports were of lots of people with no criminal record here, there must have been at least 1 person that had a conviction. You know if they were sending off violent criminals this administration would be blasting the crimes they committed on repeat to drown out the calls for return of those that had done nothing and were legally allowed to be here.

I wonder what the chances are that if you gathered 250 people at random that at least 1 would be convicted of something in their past.

Probably very high. And you're still ignoring the 12,000 convicted illegals that were rounded up by ICE who were somehow still on the street while I don't ignore the injustice of innocent people who were.

 

[mugatu]

Probably very high. And you're still ignoring the 12,000 convicted illegals that were rounded up by ICE who were somehow still on the street while I don't ignore the injustice of innocent people who were.

Convicted of what?

If someone is an illegal alien and they've been through the court system and told to leave, ICE should be picking them up, same as any criminal. I have no issue with that.

If they have legal permission to be here then they should be left alone by ICE - which isn't happening for a lot of people, and at least a couple currently sitting in El Salvador fall under the group of allowed to be here. If they have saught asylum they need to be given their legally required chance to plead their case to a judge, also not allowed for a bunch of them.

 

[Rob B.]

Convicted of what?

If someone is an illegal alien and they've been through the court system and told to leave, ICE should be picking them up, same as any criminal. I have no issue with that.

If they have legal permission to be here then they should be left alone by ICE - which isn't happening for a lot of people, and at least a couple currently sitting in El Salvador fall under the group of allowed to be here. If they have saught asylum they need to be given their legally required chance to plead their case to a judge, also not allowed for a bunch of them.

I wholeheartedly agree on both counts.
But they weren't told to leave after conviction, they were convicted and released. Much like catch and release at the border.

 

[mugatu]

I wholeheartedly agree on both counts.
But they weren't told to leave after conviction, they were convicted and released. Much like catch and release at the border.

So was the conviction something that negated permission to be here legally (violent crime, theft etc), or were they never allowed to be here? Why weren't they in jail serving time for the conviction, or was this while awaiting sentencing? Do you have any details? Seems like courts need to coordinate with ICE better for pickup if this is a case of illegal alien not awaiting court date for asylum claim or a conviction of a crime that would preclude asylum or other legal basis.

I'm not a fan of catch and release, but with several year waits for court appearance you also can't just hold someone for that long. This is one place where immigration needs to be fixed - more immigration judges and lawyers. They've also shown that a HUGE percentage of those released made required court appearances.

 

[Rob B.]

So was the conviction something that negated permission to be here legally (violent crime, theft etc), or were they never allowed to be here? Why weren't they in jail serving time for the conviction, or was this while awaiting sentencing? Do you have any details? Seems like courts need to coordinate with ICE better for pickup if this is a case of illegal alien not awaiting court date for asylum claim or a conviction of a crime that would preclude asylum or other legal basis.

I'm not a fan of catch and release, but with several year waits for court appearance you also can't just hold someone for that long. This is one place where immigration needs to be fixed - more immigration judges and lawyers. They've also shown that a HUGE percentage of those released made required court appearances.

I couldn't find the breakdown of the crimes committed. And I don't know what crimes void asylum claims(all should IMO). All I know is there were 12,000 (at that time) who were detained by ICE that had already been convicted and it blows my mind and is what I consider "insane" that none of them were included in the deportation to El Salvador.

 

[mugatu]

I couldn't find the breakdown of the crimes committed. And I don't know what crimes void asylum claims(all should IMO). All I know is there were 12,000 (at that time) who were detained by ICE that had already been convicted and it blows my mind and is what I consider "insane" that none of them were included in the deportation to El Salvador.

Conviction could be a pleaded guilty to Marijuana possession. I know of at least one person who was granted permanent status and lost it due to that. She got picked up by ICE and is probably on your list. Do you think that should warrant El Salvador prison after serving her punishment here?

 

[RxCowboy]

The above are two different things.

Let's just agree that #1 is true. It decreased symptoms and saved lives. How much so....who really knows. Probably at one point actually slowed the spread.

The 2nd point is absolutely true. Eventually Covid ran through most people vaccine or not. The largest covid spikes by far (like 10 fold) came after the vaccines had been largely implemented. Reality is Covid outran that vaccine while the symptoms were reduced. But the statement that "Covid did not stop the spread or Transmissions" is 100% correct.

The Spike in December 2021 coincided with the arrival of the Delta variant, which the vaccines didn’t cover. You can see what’s happened to daily cases since then. It’s happened because we now understand that we need surveillance for and vaccines for new variants like the flu, and we also understand the seasonality.

But also notice what happened in early 2021 as the vaccines were being rolled out and before the arrival of the delta (and other) variants. The prevalence went to near zero.

As it is now the majority of new cases are among the unvaccinated and almost all hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated.

What say you, Dr. Dunning-Kruger?

 

[Stillwaterman]

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The Spike in December 2021 coincided with the arrival of the Delta variant, which the vaccines didn’t cover. You can see what’s happened to daily cases since then. It’s happened because we now understand that we need surveillance for and vaccines for new variants like the flu, and we also understand the seasonality.

But also notice what happened in early 2021 as the vaccines were being rolled out and before the arrival of the delta (and other) variants. The prevalence went to near zero.

As it is now the majority of new cases are among the unvaccinated and almost all hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated.

What say you, Dr. Dunning-Kruger?

The vaccines became readily available midway through the downhill fall of the first spike. We were already on the downhill slide. That Prevalent period you are referring too is called Summer where it has fallen flat every summer before and after the vaccine. Right after that first summer of post vaccinations we had a large spike.....then a larger spike. The virus outran the science.

As for the now.... it sounds like 25% of Americans are getting their boosters and remain vaccinated so your statement about that is probably true but also deceiving.

 

[Rob B.]

Conviction could be a pleaded guilty to Marijuana possession. I know of at least one person who was granted permanent status and lost it due to that. She got picked up by ICE and is probably on your list. Do you think that should warrant El Salvador prison after serving her punishment here?

Don't agree with anyone being sent to El Salvador for a Marijuana charge.

I do know that if I'm busted in any other country for drug possession, they're not going to give me permanent status or citizenship.