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In 2014. Now he is arguing for the other side.
Ukraine Must Cede Territory in Any Peace Deal, Rubio Says
The secretary of state, heading to talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia, said future talks with Moscow will be needed to determine what Russia is willing to give up to end the war.
mugatu
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Daddy Trump told him to because that's what his boss said.In 2014. Now he is arguing for the other side.
Ukraine Must Cede Territory in Any Peace Deal, Rubio Says
The secretary of state, heading to talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia, said future talks with Moscow will be needed to determine what Russia is willing to give up to end the war.www.nytimes.com
“Putin responded by deploying troops to Crimea and weapons to the southeast Donbas region on behalf of ethnic Russians who felt their president had been undemocratically overthrown. While this backstory does not justify Russia’s invasion, it explains that it was hardly “unprovoked.””
So initial invasion of Crimea, not justified. With ya there Mr. Kuperman.
“Zelensky instead increased weapons imports from NATO countries, which was the last straw for Putin. So, on Feb. 21, 2022, Russia recognized the independence of Donbas, deployed troops there for “peacekeeping,” and demanded Zelensky renounce his quest for NATO military assistance and membership.
When Zelensky again refused, Putin massively expanded his military offensive on Feb. 24. Intentionally or not, Zelensky had provoked Russian aggression, although that obviously does not excuse Moscow’s subsequent war crimes.”
Still mostly tracking with you sir though I feel like saying one country “provoked” another country….intentionally or not…sufficiently to justify an invasion (even partially) sounds a whole lot like blaming the victim.
The basic outlines of a deal to end the fighting are obvious even if details remain to be negotiated, as Trump and Putin started doing today in a phone call. Russia will continue to occupy Crimea and other portions of the southeast, while the rest of Ukraine will not join NATO but will get security guarantees from some western countries.
Here we part ways sir. I myself saw Zelenskyy ask what those security guarantees would be in that meeting with Trump et Al and I saw their response and subsequent action against Ukraine afterwards. The basic outlines of security guarantees is far from obvious. Furthermore, Putin has expressly said security guarantees with boots on the ground in Ukraine is a non-starter.
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Yeah, there's really nothing new in that. The author really glosses over the fact that the EU deal was nearly done until Putin stepped in and Yanukovych unilaterally ended it. This line is particularly soft "In 2013, he decided to pursue economic cooperation with Russia rather than Europe as previously planned." Ukrainian parliament voted for the EU deal and the people of Ukraine supported it. He was a Putin puppet.
Oh and it fails to mention that Yanukovych imprisoned his opposition and former PM Tymoshenko.
Anyway. Yes, Europe and Russia both would like influence and an economic partnership with Ukraine. The people of that country were ready for Western integration and Putin chose violence. The invasion is the last throe of a desperate dictator.
And I really think that anti-Russian/pro-EU sentiment in Ukraine will skyrocket if it hasn't already.
Near total capitulation by the Trump administration. Putin may give tRump a big fat kiss!
If only Mitch could have done something about Trump when he had the chance....
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Pete Hegseth will not attend a gathering of 50 countries to coordinate military support for Ukraine, multiple European officials and a U.S. official said - the first time the coalition will gather without America's secretary of defense participating.
The group will meet April 11 in Brussels and will be chaired by Germany and Britain. Hegseth attended the last meeting in February, though he became the first U.S. defense secretary in the coalition's 26 meetings not to lead it.
The group will meet April 11 in Brussels and will be chaired by Germany and Britain. Hegseth attended the last meeting in February, though he became the first U.S. defense secretary in the coalition's 26 meetings not to lead it.
Hegseth to skip multinational meeting on Ukraine support
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