Ukraine. Ukraine. Ukraine.

I haven’t studied as much as you I guess I didn’t realize Long range missiles that we have seen them use once….angain maybe they only had one…that Ukraine has no defense for that they can launch from land or sea needed elite military personnel as pilots. Dr. Strangelove style!!!

If the Russian army can be stopped in its tracks by Ukraine for years then our entire intelligence and defense departments and 50 years of presidents from both parties have some explaining to do for why we needed to spend trillions for the last few decades. Or maybe they aren’t using their military in the way that can..:.especially since their Air Force and Navy are essentially sitting this out….not entirely but for the most part. I don’t know apparently I’m a propagandist for not not wanting war…but seems like if I was hell bent on taking over an entire region I’d be using the weapons at my disposal to keep moving not bog down hundreds of miles behind a path I can clear with weapons you can’t touch without losing another one of my non elite ground troops/tanks/artillery.

Or hear me out he isn’t trying to take over all the former Soviet states….picked a spot where a big chunk of the people will be glad they are there….and wants to keep NATO off his doorstep. He knows if he dismantles Kiev in a weekend with missiles the world jumps in and he loses. I think he is evil not dumb. That could be it….but i probably just think that because I love Russia and hate America right?

Oh and dont forget a bunch of NATO gets a big chunk of Russian/Ukrainian energy sources. The Ukrainian ones that can be taken out. You know the ones that have paid Russia more for gas than they have helped Ukraine….the ones who are experiencing civil unrest and who’s elections are going crazy. And we can absolutely help with that but not as fast as you can close a valve or blow up a pipe. That wrecks NATO economies and sends inflation soaring here….. You don’t need navy seal types for that either. But I’m sure it’s not any of that…..HOORAY WAR!!!!

If his goal is to keep NATO off his doorstep he's got a problem because a bunch of countries in NATO border him right now. And if he is capable of running over the country any time he pleases, why has it taken him almost a million casualties and help from another country to keep the territory he has now? The world sees turning to North Korea as an act of desperation-he is not gonna do that unless he feels like he is running out of choices and needs someone else to take the hits in a war of attrition.

As to Russian navy and air force, I think you overestimate their capabilities. We found out in the 90's they were more incompetent than we thought and that was when they were sucking resources and money from the Warsaw pact nations. Yeah, they have some cool toys now, but their tactics and ability to use them are limited. If it weren't for their nukes this would have been over in 2 weeks, only it would have been American and British troops strolling through the streets of Moscow. That fear of Putin saying fluff em if they can't take a joke and launching a nuclear strike is the only thing keeping the west from burying them. Well that and their new allies who absolutely have weapons alot more dangerous than one shiny missile
 
Additionally the military that is stopping 620K of them (BBC) out of their 2.4 million (Google AI) is doing in large part if not almost entirely due to our aid both monetarily and with equipment. Trump is stopping that and intelligence. I completely disagree with that move given what we have been providing them. It’s a dick move of the highest order and probably has a great deal to do with a childish petty meeting in the Oval Office making it worse that it already it is. They aren’t “winning” with us….they don’t stand a chance without us.
 
I haven’t studied as much as you I guess I didn’t realize Long range missiles that we have seen them use once….angain maybe they only had one…that Ukraine has no defense for that they can launch from land or sea needed elite military personnel as pilots. Dr. Strangelove style!!!

If the Russian army can be stopped in its tracks by Ukraine for years then our entire intelligence and defense departments and 50 years of presidents from both parties have some explaining to do for why we needed to spend trillions for the last few decades. Or maybe they aren’t using their military in the way that can..:.especially since their Air Force and Navy are essentially sitting this out….not entirely but for the most part. I don’t know apparently I’m a propagandist for not not wanting war…but seems like if I was hell bent on taking over an entire region I’d be using the weapons at my disposal to keep moving not bog down hundreds of miles behind a path I can clear with weapons you can’t touch without losing another one of my non elite ground troops/tanks/artillery.

Or hear me out he isn’t trying to take over all the former Soviet states….picked a spot where a big chunk of the people will be glad they are there….and wants to keep NATO off his doorstep. He knows if he dismantles Kiev in a weekend with missiles the world jumps in and he loses. I think he is evil not dumb. That could be it….but i probably just think that because I love Russia and hate America right?

Oh and dont forget a bunch of NATO gets a big chunk of Russian/Ukrainian energy sources. The Ukrainian ones that can be taken out. You know the ones that have paid Russia more for gas than they have helped Ukraine….the ones who are experiencing civil unrest and who’s elections are going crazy. And we can absolutely help with that but not as fast as you can close a valve or blow up a pipe. That wrecks NATO economies and sends inflation soaring here….. You don’t need navy seal types for that either. But I’m sure it’s not any of that…..HOORAY WAR!!!!
It’s like Putin has his hand up your butt and is using you as a ventriloquist dummy to mouth all his talking points.

Putin has told the world his plan to reunite the USSR multiple times.

Maybe we should believe him.

He has said the entirety of Ukraine is Russian.


Maybe we should believe he means it.
 
I haven’t studied as much as you I guess I didn’t realize Long range missiles that we have seen them use once….angain maybe they only had one…that Ukraine has no defense for that they can launch from land or sea needed elite military personnel as pilots. Dr. Strangelove style!!!

If the Russian army can be stopped in its tracks by Ukraine for years then our entire intelligence and defense departments and 50 years of presidents from both parties have some explaining to do for why we needed to spend trillions for the last few decades. Or maybe they aren’t using their military in the way that can..:.especially since their Air Force and Navy are essentially sitting this out….not entirely but for the most part. I don’t know apparently I’m a propagandist for not not wanting war…but seems like if I was hell bent on taking over an entire region I’d be using the weapons at my disposal to keep moving not bog down hundreds of miles behind a path I can clear with weapons you can’t touch without losing another one of my non elite ground troops/tanks/artillery.

Or hear me out he isn’t trying to take over all the former Soviet states….picked a spot where a big chunk of the people will be glad they are there….and wants to keep NATO off his doorstep. He knows if he dismantles Kiev in a weekend with missiles the world jumps in and he loses. I think he is evil not dumb. That could be it….but i probably just think that because I love Russia and hate America right?

Oh and dont forget a bunch of NATO gets a big chunk of Russian/Ukrainian energy sources. The Ukrainian ones that can be taken out. You know the ones that have paid Russia more for gas than they have helped Ukraine….the ones who are experiencing civil unrest and who’s elections are going crazy. And we can absolutely help with that but not as fast as you can close a valve or blow up a pipe. That wrecks NATO economies and sends inflation soaring here….. You don’t need navy seal types for that either. But I’m sure it’s not any of that…..HOORAY WAR!!!!
Yes, you are full of propaganda. The Russian navy DID NOT sit this out. They went up against a nation with no navy, had 26 ships sunk, therefore WITHDREW to safer ports. https://theconversation.com/how-the-ukrainians-with-no-navy-defeated-russias-black-sea-fleet-234259.

As far as defense spending, there is this other adversary called China, maybe you have heard of them, maybe not. Or, maybe you think that we should just let them have Taiwan and all the chip manufacturing. I mean, that would also avoid war, for now.

A delusional dictator who has attacked and taken over multiple countries against their will is worried about a defense alliance that has taken over ZERO countries in its long history. It is a fantasy made up by the Russian propagandists that NATO is to blame. Here is an idea, if you don't want the surrounding countries to want to join NATO, STOP ATTACKING THEM. But, if you are going to tell me after attacking countries that you are scared of a defense alliance that has never attacked anything, I'm going to call BS on that.

And, being that I have been in a war, seen people die and am pretty sure you haven't, I'd appreciate it if you could stop with the "wants war" BS. It is false, tacky, and even less factual than the nonsense excuses you are writing. None of us want war, but we know from history that you stop a dictator now, not later after strengthening him. You can want to appease if you want. It is a difference of opinion on how to deal with a dictator. Not "I don't want war and you do." Seriously, that is pretty inappropriate.
 
Yes, you are full of propaganda. The Russian navy DID NOT sit this out. They went up against a nation with no navy, had 26 ships sunk, therefore WITHDREW to safer ports. https://theconversation.com/how-the-ukrainians-with-no-navy-defeated-russias-black-sea-fleet-234259.

As far as defense spending, there is this other adversary called China, maybe you have heard of them, maybe not. Or, maybe you think that we should just let them have Taiwan and all the chip manufacturing. I mean, that would also avoid war, for now.

A delusional dictator who has attacked and taken over multiple countries against their will is worried about a defense alliance that has taken over ZERO countries in its long history. It is a fantasy made up by the Russian propagandists that NATO is to blame. Here is an idea, if you don't want the surrounding countries to want to join NATO, STOP ATTACKING THEM. But, if you are going to tell me after attacking countries that you are scared of a defense alliance that has never attacked anything, I'm going to call BS on that.

And, being that I have been in a war, seen people die and am pretty sure you haven't, I'd appreciate it if you could stop with the "wants war" BS. It is false, tacky, and even less factual than the nonsense excuses you are writing. None of us want war, but we know from history that you stop a dictator now, not later after strengthening him. You can want to appease if you want. It is a difference of opinion on how to deal with a dictator. Not "I don't want war and you do." Seriously, that is pretty inappropriate.
Jesus you’re. Not that dumb. We weren’t spending our asses for 50 years to protect against China now sure a big chunk is. Russia has 290 naval vessels….. Ukraine has one. Out intelligence from our better toys bear the Black Sea fleet. That’s not saying the war is our or Ukraines fault in anyway it’s saying what the article you posted said happened.

I don’t think Russia can take on the world….actually they could destroy it with nukes which is why this is so touchy….but I don’t think they have a gozillion Drago like super soldiers and secret hangars full of stealth fighters. They have enough to blow the shit out of Ukraine. And Ukraine doesn’t have much without us. As the article you posted said they have one used frigate for a navy. That’s what I keep saying…..Ukraine can’t do this without direct help. The only way this keeps going is if it becomes a hot war with Russia. A hot war with Russia led by a delusional dictator should be avoided.
 
Jesus you’re. Not that dumb. We weren’t spending our asses for 50 years to protect against China now sure a big chunk is. Russia has 290 naval vessels….. Ukraine has one. Out intelligence from our better toys bear the Black Sea fleet. That’s not saying the war is our or Ukraines fault in anyway it’s saying what the article you posted said happened.

I don’t think Russia can take on the world….actually they could destroy it with nukes which is why this is so touchy….but I don’t think they have a gozillion Drago like super soldiers and secret hangars full of stealth fighters. They have enough to blow the shit out of Ukraine. And Ukraine doesn’t have much without us. As the article you posted said they have one used frigate for a navy. That’s what I keep saying…..Ukraine can’t do this without direct help. The only way this keeps going is if it becomes a hot war with Russia. A hot war with Russia led by a delusional dictator should be avoided.
By conceding to the delusional dictator everything he’s demanding for now and hoping the same delusional dictator is appeased enough to not follow through with things and plans he’s previously said he said he’d do?

Sounds like an awful idea to me.
 
By conceding to the delusional dictator everything he’s demanding for now and hoping the same delusional dictator is appeased enough to not follow through with things and plans he’s previously said he said he’d do?

Sounds like an awful idea to me.
Exactly this.

I don't want war. I also do not think that a peace agreement with Russia and our current government hanging Ukraine out to dry is going to give any sort of lasting peace.

And, I think Trump knows that. All the talk of taking Canada and Greenland to be part of the US makes me think Trump sees himself and Putin in some sort of contest like they are playing Risk.

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Exactly this.

I don't want war. I also do not think that a peace agreement with Russia and our current government hanging Ukraine out to dry is going to give any sort of lasting peace.
Exactly this.

Leaving the Sudetenland out to dry for the taking by Germany in the hopes that Hitler would be appeased sure as hell didn’t work out for Great Britain despite Neville Chamberlain’s “peace in our lifetime” proclamation.

Those that don’t learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.
 
Jesus you’re. Not that dumb. We weren’t spending our asses for 50 years to protect against China now sure a big chunk is. Russia has 290 naval vessels….. Ukraine has one. Out intelligence from our better toys bear the Black Sea fleet. That’s not saying the war is our or Ukraines fault in anyway it’s saying what the article you posted said happened.

I don’t think Russia can take on the world….actually they could destroy it with nukes which is why this is so touchy….but I don’t think they have a gozillion Drago like super soldiers and secret hangars full of stealth fighters. They have enough to blow the shit out of Ukraine. And Ukraine doesn’t have much without us. As the article you posted said they have one used frigate for a navy. That’s what I keep saying…..Ukraine can’t do this without direct help. The only way this keeps going is if it becomes a hot war with Russia. A hot war with Russia led by a delusional dictator should be avoided.
For clarity which side has the delusional dictator?
 
Also, and this could open a discussion on a host of issues, but does anyone think the absolute $h!+ show coming out of DC right now for the last 6 weeks is helping anyone in the Ukraine situation?

I actually agree w this admin on trying to get this war to end and getting both sides to the table. I also think it’s in both Ukraine’s and our interests to negotiate a win/win on the rare earth minerals.

But holy crap negotiate this $h!+ in private. It’s not an eff’n tv show for ratings.

He has assembled the worst cabinet in our lifetimes.

He lurches from one contrived crisis to another.

He can’t stay a course on anything.

He bails the nano second something makes him look bad.

How is anyone supposed to end this conflict when he can’t even abide by a trade deal he championed, signed, forgot existed, was reminded how great he said it was, said “I’ll break and enact tariffs”, said “Well just for xyz and not abc”, then said “Nope they’re back on”, then said but not Mexico bc she’s a wonderful woman w whom I had a great talk”

Why would anyone want to negotiate any type of peace or cease fire w this admin involved?
 
US announces they will pull out of a program that was helping to fix and rebuild Ukraine's Energy Grid as they are damaged in the war.

What does Putin do next


Russia bombards Ukraine's energy grid​

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia targeted Ukraine’s energy infrastructure in a large-scale missile and drone bombardment during the night, officials said Friday, hours after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that talks with the U.S. on ending the three-year war will take place next week.


Ukraine came under a “massive missile and drone” attack, Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko wrote on Facebook. At least 10 people, including a child, were wounded, authorities said.

“Russia is trying to hurt ordinary Ukrainians by striking energy and gas production facilities, without abandoning its goal of leaving us without light and heat, and causing the greatest harm to ordinary citizens,” Halushchenko wrote.

Russia has repeatedly targeted Ukraine’s power grid during the war. The attacks have depleted electricity generation capacity and disrupted critical heating and water supplies. Ukrainian officials have accused Russia of “weaponizing winter” in an effort to erode civilian morale.

Russia continues bombardment of Ukraine as Trump touts peace talks

Zelenskyy on Friday won the support of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for Ukraine's proposals to take some first steps toward stopping the war, including a halt on firing missiles, drones and bombs at energy and other civilian infrastructure. Zelenskyy has also proposed ceasing combat operations in the Black Sea to allow safe shipping.
 
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