We both know you are being disingenuous with this comment.
Trump 47
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If your point actually was "an illegal immigrant sidesteps his due process by not immigrating through proper channels", then you definitely DO NOT understand the meaning of "due process under the law".
Next up from an authoritarian regime.....a person born in the US to people not immigrating through proper channels sidestepped his due process (rescinding birthright citizenship).
After that....."criminals" sidestepped their due process rights by committing a crime.
mugatu
Sheriff
They are claiming people are criminals now before any conviction and during waits for court.
So obviously they really don't care about due process (which I know you don't understand nor care about either).
5th Amendment:
"No person....nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
14th Amendment:
"....nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Nowhere in any of that is anything even remotely akin to "sidestepping" or losing the right to due process by violating the law or being here illegally vs. legally.
"No person....nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
14th Amendment:
"....nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Nowhere in any of that is anything even remotely akin to "sidestepping" or losing the right to due process by violating the law or being here illegally vs. legally.
You've lost your mind.
If they're here illegally, they're criminals. And they weren't given nor did they ask for due process.
mugatu
Sheriff
Just gonna drop this here.
www.usa.gov
"To seek asylum, you must already be in the U.S. and believe you will be in danger of persecution if you return to your country."
So the US government says you have to come into the country to seek asylum. That's what a LOT of these people have done. They came in, found a border agent and claimed asylum. The process for that is years long and requires them to keep in touch with court providing location while they are generally granted a right to live and (I think) work here during the process.
So what do you want someone to do who is fleeing gang violence and persecution to do?
How to seek asylum in the U.S. | USAGov
Learn how to seek asylum in the United States. If you already have been granted asylum, find out if you can sponsor your family to join you.
www.usa.gov
"To seek asylum, you must already be in the U.S. and believe you will be in danger of persecution if you return to your country."
So the US government says you have to come into the country to seek asylum. That's what a LOT of these people have done. They came in, found a border agent and claimed asylum. The process for that is years long and requires them to keep in touch with court providing location while they are generally granted a right to live and (I think) work here during the process.
So what do you want someone to do who is fleeing gang violence and persecution to do?
JTOSU
Ranger
My goodness you comprehend and interpret incorrectly…or maybe just want to make up stuff. No one has stated that they lost their right to due process.
Criminals get due process. Its what separates us from the middle ages and barbarism.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
#1 in this El Salvador Deportation case, if you are trusting and getting your info about it from the White House or Trump, then know you are NOT on the same side as Most Conservatives.
Here is how Actual Conservatives feel about Due Process and this particular Case Vrs what the Trump Admin and WH is spewing as Falsehoods
Conservative buries Stephen Miller for 'delusional' attack on Supreme Court over Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia Deportation
Donald Trump policy advisor Stephen Miller was raked over the coals late Thursday for what longtime conservative columnist Ed Whelan called his "brazen" Fox News appearance where he attempted to misrepresent a Supreme Court ruling on the return of deported Maryland dad Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia.In his column for the National Review, Whelan broke down Miller's rambling attempt to defend the administration's decision to blow off a unanimous ruling from the conservative court for the DOH to "facilitate" the return of Abrego Garcia, with what the conservative critic called "delusional" reasoning.
As Whelan sees it, Miller "stooped to a new low" as he tried to defend the indefensible when it comes to denying someone living in the U.S. due process.
"This isn’t complicated stuff. The Court’s order (not including the separate statement of Justice Sotomayor) is three paragraphs long, and the operative portion (from which I draw all of my quotations) is one paragraph long. The Trump administration lost unanimously," he wrote before adding that the Trump advisor began, "First, we won the Supreme Court case. Clearly. Nine-zero," to which Whelan responded, "Nope, you lost. Unanimously."
After writing that Miller only delivered, "More delusional fantasizing about what the court actually ordered," the conservative pointed out that the Trump administration is headed for a fall by writing: "If the White House is going to refuse to accept and abide by its losses on emergency applications, the Supreme Court might well decide to summarily reject those applications."
You can read more here.
JTOSU
Ranger
If you think that quote from @Rob B.was saying they lost their right to due process then seriously you need to take more time and comprehend statements. You are flailing and wanting to make an argument against a statement that has not been made.
JTOSU
Ranger
Great movie. Doesn’t make sense in this context, but I like the clip.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
I tried to draw a map of the logic to make all the connections like together and it just doesn't work. I can't figure it out.
If you have relatives that are first generation immigrants, they should have concerns.
I think the point of what he was saying is we have a bunch of people who went through the proper channels that are easy to track down. By attempting to do things the right way they created a paper trail. Those that just sneak in and keep their head down are more difficult to find.
mugatu
Sheriff
Then what does him continuing to say over and over that anyone here without a visa no mater the process they are going through getting sent off regardless of court orders contrary to that indicate that he is supporting them getting their due and legally required process, what does that mean then? Please enlighten us all.
Every court that has looked at this has ruled against the administration here.
You know how yesterday you were saying you don't support unconstitutional actions and have never said you did. Now you are sure sounding like you do. You are supporting a position of people under court protection from deportation shouldn't be protected from said deportations to include into a foreign prison without any criminal convictions.
Spin spin spin. They didn't lose their right, they went out of their way to avoid it. You're just being intentionally obtuse now.
This from the person who said Trump has made it 1000x more attractive to be in this country illegally.
Please don't hurt yourself with that map of logic.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
DOGE is collecting federal data to remove Legal immigrants from housing, jobs
Link
DOGE is collecting federal data to remove immigrants from housing, jobs
The administration is pushing agencies to turn over information on where people work, study and live. The data is normally protected from dissemination.
www.detroitnews.com
ICE, DOGE Seek Sensitive Medicare Data on Legal Immigrants as Immigration Crackdown Intensifies
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