Who would you identify as a centrist?
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Who would you identify as a centrist?
That's the problem with the right. I'd love for us to have leadership focused on uniting people versus pushing one side and telling the other to kick rocks. The minute anyone with a D in front of their name gets a bit of national notoriety though, it's an all out effort on one side to paint them as the 2nd coming of Mao.
Look at Walz. Dude is from the liberal hotbed of Grand Island Nebraska and hits more hunting and fishing openers than the Duck Dynasty people. But legislation that provides feminine hygiene products to schools gets twisted into pushing a trans agenda. It's hard to have an honest argument about what middle of the road is when there is no willingness to consider that anyone outside of your narrow viewpoint isn't an extremist.
Who?
they all think they are center. We have moved so far to the right they see any one in the center being a raging liberal.
I’ll go.
Two Presidents in my lifetime - Clinton and George W.
Recent Senators and congress: McCain, McCarthy, Murkowski, Collins, Lieberman, Manchin, Gabbard, Sinema
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PF5
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great words from the Bishop...and of course tRump and james donald show disrespect while she speaks...especially james; he wants so bad for his wife to join in on his eye rolling and smirks, but she appears to be more mature than him!
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Bishop asks Trump to show mercy to LGBT people and migrants
Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde made a plea to the president in a sermon that Trump later criticised.
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Trump pardons give Jan 6 defendants nearly everything they wanted
Some of the president's own team had signalled not all of those arrested over the Capitol riot would be released - until his order on Monday.
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Until Monday, even some of Donald Trump's team did not seem to believe he would release all of those arrested after riots at the US Capitol on 6 January 2021.
"If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn't be pardoned," Vice-President JD Vance said a little over a week ago.
A few days later, testifying in front of Congress, Trump's nominee for Attorney General Pam Bondi agreed with a Democratic senator who asked her to condemn the violence of that day.
"I do not agree with violence against any police officer," she said, adding that she was willing to look individually at each of the more than 1,500 riot-linked cases.
Trump, however, took a far more sweeping approach to the cases on his first day in office.
He issued a handful of commutations and a blanket pardon that effectively freed all the rioters and erased the work of the largest criminal investigation in US history.
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Some observers, including policy experts and lawyers representing rioters, were taken aback by the scale of the president's order.
"The overall consensus was that we would see a differentiation between those who committed violent acts and those who did not," said Lisa Gilbert, co-president of Public Citizen, a progressive not-for-profit group that opposed the pardons.
"Donald Trump ran for office on law and order, so it's shocking and upsetting to see him taking action to pardon violent criminals," she said
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More than 600 were charged with assaulting, resisting or obstructing police, including around 175 charged with using a weapon or causing serious injury to an officer.
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Norm Pattis, a lawyer who defended some of the prisoners, told BBC Newshour that "the notion that somehow this event threatens the republic is overdone", adding that Confederate rebels were pardoned after the Civil War.
"If we could come together as a country after such a violent act, and after people openly took arms and killed one another… why were we still prosecuting people for criminal trespass four years later after an afternoon's riot?" he said.
Polls, however, suggest a blanket pardon including for violent convicts is unpopular. A recent Associated Press survey indicated only two in 10 Americans approve of pardoning most of those involved.
Winston Pingeon, a Capitol Police officer who was punched and pepper sprayed that day, told Newshour the pardons were a "slap in the face".
"It's really an unprecedented thing to know that these violent felons who were convicted by a jury of their peers for crimes that were largely broadcast for all the country and the world to see are going to walk free," he said.
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"The fallout from these pardons is that Trump has sent a message that violence is a viable tool for change, as long as it's on his side," she added.
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At least a good number of the Jan. 6 violent protesters spent some time in prison. But many of their supporters probably think they should be compensated by the millions. Will Trump support doing that?
I wonder what happened to that guy who brought a confederate flag into the Capitol. That was an outrageous way to protest even if there was no law against it and under the 1st Amendment.
I wonder what happened to that guy who brought a confederate flag into the Capitol. That was an outrageous way to protest even if there was no law against it and under the 1st Amendment.
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Might be a way to refer to himself in the 3rd person. He starts ending all messages with t out.
Of all the things I dislike about him if his ego doubles down and he does something like that I'd be on board.
Does anybody remember a time when you could actually look up to the president, even if you disagreed with their views? When I was a child, I remember thinking the president of the united states was supposed to be "the best of us". Somebody that would work to better the lives of all people. Somebody you could hope your children would aspire to be like.
If any of you are telling your children to be like trump, CPS needs to be called immediately. How is it that I need to hold my 7 yo to a higher standard of moral conduct than POTUS? If he called people names and demeaned everybody that disagreed with him (or didn't kiss the ring), I would be sitting him down to have a very serious talk about why it's not ok.
When your children grow up to be the worst of human beings and you say "I just don't know where he gets this from!", look back on this moment. You revere the worst of humanity. Kids are watching. Do better.
If any of you are telling your children to be like trump, CPS needs to be called immediately. How is it that I need to hold my 7 yo to a higher standard of moral conduct than POTUS? If he called people names and demeaned everybody that disagreed with him (or didn't kiss the ring), I would be sitting him down to have a very serious talk about why it's not ok.
When your children grow up to be the worst of human beings and you say "I just don't know where he gets this from!", look back on this moment. You revere the worst of humanity. Kids are watching. Do better.
I'd guess we have had a lot of bad dudes at the position who are revered today. Today, we just know too much.
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to the emoluments clause (grifting), and being declared above the law by the Supreme Court, the pardoning of criminal domestic January 6th terrorist, loyalty oaths, etc. are more important to me at this time. Birthright citizenship is currently in the Constitution . Not even your blessed Trump can just snap his fingers and change that anytime soon.
So Trump's plan for dealing with Russia is more sanctions? That's how we are going to get tough on Russia when all Biden did was *checks notes* give them sanctions?
You might be right about that. With trump, however, we know too much because he puts it out there for all to see. His "mean tweets" have consequences. If you have a daughter and idolize a rapist, that's going to affect her. Hard to teach kids to have faith and believe in the justice system when a convicted felon just (gleefully) got elected president.
So you don't think Trump is going to be successful in ending the conflict?So Trump's plan for dealing with Russia is more sanctions? That's how we are going to get tough on Russia when all Biden did was *checks notes* give them sanctions?
Have we really had that many horrible people in the past few decades though? My lifetime started at the end of the Carter administration and outside of Trump the only one during that time I'd call a real POS is Clinton. It should be a basic expectation that the leader of the free world is an admirable person and in general we get that right. It's really bothersome that we've come to this political victory at all cost mentality to the point that being a decent human being goes by the wayside.
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