Georgia Poke
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If I understand it correctly, we own the tie-breakers over OU and KSU, but ISU has it on us. Is this correct?
ISU's remaining games are Texas and KSU.
ISU's remaining games are Texas and KSU.
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According to media reports if it's a 3 way tie between OU KState and us... the fact we beat them both is irrelevant because they didn't play each other. So we might actually miss out on the game because it goes to record over next highest placed team which could be Iowa State. If it's Kansas the we get in. So much dumb from the Big 12.
The media could be wrong. In fact, local media will say what they want in order to bring grief to OSU.
Georgia Poke
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OU has BYU and TCU remaining.
KSU has Kansas and Iowa State.
KSU has Kansas and Iowa State.
Poke Skywalker
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I think rock paper scissors will ultimately be used to determine who plays in the B12 championship.
Have you even read the tiebreaker rules?
Okstatekerr
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It would be so OSU to lose out of the Big 12 Championship game to stupid tiebreaker rules. Anyone with a brain would say that OSU should win a tie breaker if its OSU, OU, and KSU since we beat them both head to head. But don't lose the UCF and it isn't a question.
Three (or more) team-ties
In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.- Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not, every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
- Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings. Note: When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s win percentage against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
- Win percentage against all common conference opponents (must be common among all teams involved in the tie).
- Combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule).
- Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins: 1. Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually. 2. Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules. (current Bylaw 17.10.5.2.1) shall not be included.
- Highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the last weekend of regular-season games.
- Coin toss
OU hasn't played Kstate. It goes to next highest team. If ISU is 1-1 the next 2 weeks they are ahead of KU who will have lost to KSU. If ISU loses both they tie with KU if KU beats Cincinnati. Then since they are both tied you look at cumulative and Kstate would be 2-0. OU and us 1-1. Kstate gets in.
This is my thought. As @CowboyJD has said, the second sentence of #1 is poorly worded. In my opinion it reads,
- Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not, then every tied team has played each other and their percentages are the same, then go to step 2.
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Okstatekerr
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What we need to happen to avoid this mess is for Texas to beat ISU, ISU to beat KSU, and we win out. Really we need to root for Texas and Kansas this weekend. That would clear things up.
Okstatekerr
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We are going to get screwed aren’t we?
Most likely in this scenario the next common opponent would fall to UCF...
PF5
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Kansas State has realistic path to Big 12 championship game with new tiebreaker rules The Wichita Eagle
Don’t feel bad if you are having trouble trying to figure out which Big 12 football teams are in the best position to reach the conference championship game next month.
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For example: Let’s say Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all win their final two games of the season. That would put them in a three-way tie for second place with identical conference records of 7-2, if Texas also continues winning and finishes all alone in first. At first glance, the Cowboys seem like the obvious winner of that tiebreaker seeing as how they own head-to-head wins over K-State and OU. But that is not the case.
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In that scenario, the Wildcats would actually advance to Arlington, Texas for the Big 12 championship game. Why? Because K-State and Oklahoma didn’t play this season. So there are no head-to-head results to use among that trio of teams. The tiebreaker would instead go to record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings, which would almost certainly be Iowa State or Kansas. Strange as it sounds, the Wildcats can trump both OSU (lost at Iowa State) and OU (lost at Kansas) by beating their two main rivals at the end of the regular season.
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K-STATE FANS SHOULD ROOT FOR OU, OSU AND TEXAS Plain and simple: K-State will reach the Big 12 championship game if chalk holds over the next two weeks. If K-State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas all win their remaining games, we will likely see the Longhorns and the Wildcats in the Big 12 championship game.
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The only caveat in that scenario: the Wildcats would also need Kansas to beat Cincinnati on the final weekend of the regular season. Believe it or not, a win by the Bearcats in that game could swing the tiebreaker in Oklahoma’s favor. So that means K-State fans might end up also cheering for KU. Usually, K-State fans would be hoping for those teams to lose. And there are certainly some scenarios in which the right combination of losses from both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would help K-State. But it would be very bad for the Wildcats if, say, Oklahoma State lost at Houston this weekend, and both Oklahoma and Texas won out.
REMAINING SCHEDULES Iowa State: Texas, at K-State. Kansas: K-State, at Cincinnati. Kansas State: at Kansas, Iowa State. Oklahoma: at BYU, TCU. Oklahoma State: at Houston, BYU. Texas: at Iowa State, Texas Tech. Texas Tech: UCF, at Texas
Don’t feel bad if you are having trouble trying to figure out which Big 12 football teams are in the best position to reach the conference championship game next month.
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For example: Let’s say Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all win their final two games of the season. That would put them in a three-way tie for second place with identical conference records of 7-2, if Texas also continues winning and finishes all alone in first. At first glance, the Cowboys seem like the obvious winner of that tiebreaker seeing as how they own head-to-head wins over K-State and OU. But that is not the case.
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In that scenario, the Wildcats would actually advance to Arlington, Texas for the Big 12 championship game. Why? Because K-State and Oklahoma didn’t play this season. So there are no head-to-head results to use among that trio of teams. The tiebreaker would instead go to record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings, which would almost certainly be Iowa State or Kansas. Strange as it sounds, the Wildcats can trump both OSU (lost at Iowa State) and OU (lost at Kansas) by beating their two main rivals at the end of the regular season.
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K-STATE FANS SHOULD ROOT FOR OU, OSU AND TEXAS Plain and simple: K-State will reach the Big 12 championship game if chalk holds over the next two weeks. If K-State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas all win their remaining games, we will likely see the Longhorns and the Wildcats in the Big 12 championship game.
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The only caveat in that scenario: the Wildcats would also need Kansas to beat Cincinnati on the final weekend of the regular season. Believe it or not, a win by the Bearcats in that game could swing the tiebreaker in Oklahoma’s favor. So that means K-State fans might end up also cheering for KU. Usually, K-State fans would be hoping for those teams to lose. And there are certainly some scenarios in which the right combination of losses from both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would help K-State. But it would be very bad for the Wildcats if, say, Oklahoma State lost at Houston this weekend, and both Oklahoma and Texas won out.
REMAINING SCHEDULES Iowa State: Texas, at K-State. Kansas: K-State, at Cincinnati. Kansas State: at Kansas, Iowa State. Oklahoma: at BYU, TCU. Oklahoma State: at Houston, BYU. Texas: at Iowa State, Texas Tech. Texas Tech: UCF, at Texas
We need to be big KU fans this weekend over ksu...multie reasons but if all else plays out as it should...if kansas defeats ksu its a 3way with OSU, ut, utn...but kansas would be the common...leaving out the landthieves
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