OC and DC Possibilities - New DC Todd Grantham, OC Doug Meacham

[ClintDagger]

If you want to fix the problem that caused us to be in the last place then fix the situation with NIL money. Had Gundy been at even an average competitive level with NIL money, this last season wouldn’t have happened. You can blame Gundy if you want, but the issue is he had no money to pay players. Maybe he resisted changing coaches because any additional money spent attracting new coaches would just be even less money to attract players here.

Now we’ve taken a large chunk of his salary toward NIL, which is a good first step and we have the sold out concerts coming up. That will generate some NIL money but we need a consistent way to stay competitive, or it doesn’t matter who our coach is, if we have no money to pay players, then we will continue to suck in football.


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What players left from ‘23 to ‘24 that caused the team to crater? If you want to use that as a reason for not taking a step forward there’s merit to that. Blaming it on a 3-9 (0-9) record, 9 game losing streak, blown out all over the place is just asinine with the players that returned. Ok fine a few guys on D went out so maybe you go 7-5 with some close losses. But this? No way man, sorry but that’s a really bad take.

 

[mugatu]

So I understand that RA made a comment about the full assistant and position coaching staff needing being turned over due to complacency.

That kind of statement doesn't surprise me considering how many comments about work life balance and less hours we've all hear the last few years. Comments about that's how we've kept some guys, that Gundy was a lot easier to work for in that regards.

If your entire staff is complacent, then you have to have been the same for it to get there. Maybe it's not ALL just the evil big bad NIL and portal. Maybe at least a little was a lack of drive on the entire coaching staff's side - which Gundy is responsible for. And maybe by the BOR looking for cause and kicking his a$$ with threat of firing he'll get the fire back and start pushing for effort and not accepting mediocrity. Just a thought.

Gundy with Boone's money did great things for our program. It all started right as I was leaving school. But no one man is greater than the program, even if you put it there. I love how clean our program is, and that is without question priceless to the school. But we must get back to the point of arguing over if 9-win floors are enough if we don't beat OU or win the Conference more than once every 5 years. Not yellung at each other that keeping a coach after a 3-9 season is something no one should be against.

 

[ClintDagger]

So I understand that RA made a comment about the full assistant and position coaching staff needing being turned over due to complacency.

That kind of statement doesn't surprise me considering how many comments about work life balance and less hours we've all hear the last few years. Comments about that's how we've kept some guys, that Gundy was a lot easier to work for in that regards.

If your entire staff is complacent, then you have to have been the same for it to get there. Maybe it's not ALL just the evil big bad NIL and portal. Maybe at least a little was a lack of drive on the entire coaching staff's side - which Gundy is responsible for. And maybe by the BOR looking for cause and kicking his a$$ with threat of firing he'll get the fire back and start pushing for effort and not accepting mediocrity. Just a thought.

Gundy with Boone's money did great things for our program. It all started right as I was leaving school. But no one man is greater than the program, even if you put it there. I love how clean our program is, and that is without question priceless to the school. But we must get back to the point of arguing over if 9-win floors are enough if we don't beat OU or win the Conference more than once every 5 years. Not yellung at each other that keeping a coach after a 3-9 season is something no one should be against.

I’m sure it’s true but how cowardly of RA to say that now that he knows those guys are gone and he won’t bump into them. If it wasn’t worth saying (or you didn’t have the stones to say it) while they were here then don’t say it all.

 

[Cowboyshoopspride]

So I understand that RA made a comment about the full assistant and position coaching staff needing being turned over due to complacency.

That kind of statement doesn't surprise me considering how many comments about work life balance and less hours we've all hear the last few years. Comments about that's how we've kept some guys, that Gundy was a lot easier to work for in that regards.

If your entire staff is complacent, then you have to have been the same for it to get there. Maybe it's not ALL just the evil big bad NIL and portal. Maybe at least a little was a lack of drive on the entire coaching staff's side - which Gundy is responsible for. And maybe by the BOR looking for cause and kicking his a$$ with threat of firing he'll get the fire back and start pushing for effort and not accepting mediocrity. Just a thought.

Gundy with Boone's money did great things for our program. It all started right as I was leaving school. But no one man is greater than the program, even if you put it there. I love how clean our program is, and that is without question priceless to the school. But we must get back to the point of arguing over if 9-win floors are enough if we don't beat OU or win the Conference more than once every 5 years. Not yellung at each other that keeping a coach after a 3-9 season is something no one should be against.

If I knew nothing of NIL, the portal, etc….and my head coach said every week that he didn’t like our schemes as if he had no idea what they were going into the game in the first place, I’d know enough.

 

[MustangPokeFan]

What players left from ‘23 to ‘24 that caused the team to crater? If you want to use that as a reason for not taking a step forward there’s merit to that. Blaming it on a 3-9 (0-9) record, 9 game losing streak, blown out all over the place is just asinine with the players that returned. Ok fine a few guys on D went out so maybe you go 7-5 with some close losses. But this? No way man, sorry but that’s a really bad take.

Other teams ponied up the money and got better, that’s what happened! And our defense sucked even before players were injured and became historically bad after that happened!

 

[EdmondPoke]

Other teams ponied up the money and got better, that’s what happened! And our defense sucked even before players were injured and became historically bad after that happened!

What team in the playoff spent a ton in NIL and got significantly better as a result?

Boise is performing about as well as always.

Arizona State spends almost exactly the same amount that we do.

Indiana spends a surprisingly large amount (more than Oregon, even), but I question how much of their success this year is a result of NIL and how much of it is a result of the fact that they have yet to beat a ranked opponent (at any point) this season. In fact, they have 1 win over a team that finished above .500.

SMU is a giant unknown, since they don't publish much about their NIL. All we know for certain is that the Boulevard Collective pays all SMU athletics 3.5 million. However, nearly every single key player SMU has playing for them this year, they recruited and developed.

Penn State, Oregon, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Clemson, Texas, etc all wouldn't be surprising to see in the playoff, NIL or no NIL.

My point is that we have got to stop just assuming that because a team spends more, they're going to get better and perform better. There's still so much at play here, including developing that talent and coaching it during the season. Proof? We paid a substantial bag to a lot of players this past season and we lost 7 more games than the year prior.

 

[DxCowboy]

What team in the playoff spent a ton in NIL and got significantly better as a result?

Boise is performing about as well as always.

Arizona State spends almost exactly the same amount that we do.

Indiana spends a surprisingly large amount (more than Oregon, even), but I question how much of their success this year is a result of NIL and how much of it is a result of the fact that they have yet to beat a ranked opponent (at any point) this season. In fact, they have 1 win over a team that finished above .500.

SMU is a giant unknown, since they don't publish much about their NIL. All we know for certain is that the Boulevard Collective pays all SMU athletics 3.5 million. However, nearly every single key player SMU has playing for them this year, they recruited and developed.

Penn State, Oregon, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Clemson, Texas, etc all wouldn't be surprising to see in the playoff, NIL or no NIL.

My point is that we have got to stop just assuming that because a team spends more, they're going to get better and perform better. There's still so much at play here, including developing that talent and coaching it during the season. Proof? We paid a substantial bag to a lot of players this past season and we lost 7 more games than the year prior.

Look at FSU and what they spent on DJU.

 

[GratefulPoke]

What team in the playoff spent a ton in NIL and got significantly better as a result?

Boise is performing about as well as always.

Arizona State spends almost exactly the same amount that we do.

Indiana spends a surprisingly large amount (more than Oregon, even), but I question how much of their success this year is a result of NIL and how much of it is a result of the fact that they have yet to beat a ranked opponent (at any point) this season. In fact, they have 1 win over a team that finished above .500.

SMU is a giant unknown, since they don't publish much about their NIL. All we know for certain is that the Boulevard Collective pays all SMU athletics 3.5 million. However, nearly every single key player SMU has playing for them this year, they recruited and developed.

Penn State, Oregon, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Clemson, Texas, etc all wouldn't be surprising to see in the playoff, NIL or no NIL.

My point is that we have got to stop just assuming that because a team spends more, they're going to get better and perform better. There's still so much at play here, including developing that talent and coaching it during the season. Proof? We paid a substantial bag to a lot of players this past season and we lost 7 more games than the year prior.

Case in point: Texas A&M.

 

[EdmondPoke]

Indiana spends a surprisingly large amount (more than Oregon, even), but I question how much of their success this year is a result of NIL and how much of it is a result of the fact that they have yet to beat a ranked opponent (at any point) this season. In fact, they have 1 win over a team that finished above .500.

Guess we answered that question.

 

[Cowboyshoopspride]

Case in point: Texas A&M.

Will be Texas Tech next year…..

 

[DxCowboy]

Guess we answered that question.

I think it’s going to be interesting to see where the pay ranges are in a couple of years. When you start to hear mighty Bama complaining about NIL like they are, it makes you wonder where this is headed. I’m specifically rooting against tOSU winning it all simply because of their $20 million roster. Probably naive of me, but I think the only way there’s any reset to NIL is if the blue bloods blow through millions and don’t win titles.

 

[CptnQuirk]

I think it’s going to be interesting to see where the pay ranges are in a couple of years. When you start to hear mighty Bama complaining about NIL like they are, it makes you wonder where this is headed. I’m specifically rooting against tOSU winning it all simply because of their $20 million roster. Probably naive of me, but I think the only way there’s any reset to NIL is if the blue bloods blow through millions and don’t win titles.

I’m rooting for Texas this year and this year only because they just left the Big 12.
Edit: I mean this week and this week only. Not next weekend.

 

[Chairman of the Board]

I think it’s going to be interesting to see where the pay ranges are in a couple of years. When you start to hear mighty Bama complaining about NIL like they are, it makes you wonder where this is headed. I’m specifically rooting against tOSU winning it all simply because of their $20 million roster. Probably naive of me, but I think the only way there’s any reset to NIL is if the blue bloods blow through millions and don’t win titles.

Eventually rich people are going to get tired of spending 6 or 7 figures on players who don't produce. MOST players paid for won't be worth what you paid.

 

[DxCowboy]

Eventually rich people are going to get tired of spending 6 or 7 figures on players who don't produce. MOST players paid for won't be worth what you paid.

It’s probably never going to happen, but my dream would be to see a salary cap once the court case ruling comes down and the schools are directly paying the players.

I think you’d see organizational structures more like the NFL and hopefully multi year deals that include buyouts if the kid wants to transfer out. The school who lands the transfer pays the former school for their investment in developing the player. As it stands now, it’s all a one way street for the haves, with the have nots simply left holding the bag. Unlike the NFL, they don’t have to give up any assets to land the player.

Probably never happen, but this system is unsustainable imo.