How can anyone of you think @rob is what he says and not what he shows? He is who he is. All he cares about is his team.#news Fast Fact: Obama, Bill Clinton & Joe Biden ordered airstrikes - without explicit congressional approval - k*lling civilians, including Americans
#DC
As Democrat politicians and paid protester fume over President Trump's strikes in Iran - saying they were illegal and he needed constitutional authority, it may be a good time to take a look back at drone strikes that k*lled civilians and were ordered by Obama, Clinton and Biden.
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Obama's aggressive expansion of U.S. airstrikes and drone campaigns from 2009 to 2017 resulted in an estimated 20,000 to 40,000 total deaths from airstrikes – a including ~3,000–6,000 civilians and 4,000 from Drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia
Obama escalated troop levels in 2009 in the country and ordered airstrikes, including drone strikes, without Congressional approval.
#Obama
Obama ordered airstrikes starting against ISIS, bypassing Congressional authorization.
Airstrikes started in September 2014 against ISIS. Obama initially sought Congressional approval in 2013 for strikes against Assad but stopped asking for approval after he was denied and decided to strike without authorization.
In March 2011, Obama authorized airstrikes leading to Gaddafi’s overthrow. No Congressional approval was sought, Obama later called this a mistake, acknowledging that he didn't have legal grounding to take action
Drone strikes started in 2009 against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. These were not authorized by a Congressional vote, and the strikes resulted in the k*lling of civilians
Airstrikes and drone strikes against al-Shabaab started in 2009. Obama did not get congressional approval
#Somalia
Drone strikes in Waziristan started days after Obama’s inauguration in 2009, escalating to 128 strikes in 2010. No Congressional authorization was given
#Pakistan
The U.S. conducted airstrikes and drone strikes against ISIS affiliates in 2017, No specific Congressional approval was sought or given.
In 2013, Obama conducted a drone strike against al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) target, following a French-led intervention. This did not have congressional approval.
U.S. airstrikes started in 2016 against AQIM and ISIS affiliates with no Congressional authorization.
Clinton's 1999 intervention in Yugoslavia bypassed congressional approval.
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The way I understand it, ordering a strike or a series of strikes doesn’t require a declaration of war.#news Fast Fact: Obama, Bill Clinton & Joe Biden ordered airstrikes - without explicit congressional approval - k*lling civilians, including Americans
#DC
As Democrat politicians and paid protester fume over President Trump's strikes in Iran - saying they were illegal and he needed constitutional authority, it may be a good time to take a look back at drone strikes that k*lled civilians and were ordered by Obama, Clinton and Biden.
Obama escalated troop levels in 2009 in the country and ordered airstrikes, including drone strikes, without Congressional approval.
#Obama
Obama ordered airstrikes starting against ISIS, bypassing Congressional authorization.
Airstrikes started in September 2014 against ISIS. Obama initially sought Congressional approval in 2013 for strikes against Assad but stopped asking for approval after he was denied and decided to strike without authorization.
In March 2011, Obama authorized airstrikes leading to Gaddafi’s overthrow. No Congressional approval was sought, Obama later called this a mistake, acknowledging that he didn't have legal grounding to take action
Drone strikes started in 2009 against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. These were not authorized by a Congressional vote, and the strikes resulted in the k*lling of civilians
Airstrikes and drone strikes against al-Shabaab started in 2009. Obama did not get congressional approval
#Somalia
Drone strikes in Waziristan started days after Obama’s inauguration in 2009, escalating to 128 strikes in 2010. No Congressional authorization was given
#Pakistan
The U.S. conducted airstrikes and drone strikes against ISIS affiliates in 2017, No specific Congressional approval was sought or given.
In 2013, Obama conducted a drone strike against al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) target, following a French-led intervention. This did not have congressional approval.
U.S. airstrikes started in 2016 against AQIM and ISIS affiliates with no Congressional authorization.
Clinton's 1999 intervention in Yugoslavia bypassed congressional approval.
#ChristinaAguayoNews
#news Fast Fact: Obama, Bill Clinton & Joe Biden ordered airstrikes - without explicit congressional approval - k*lling civilians, including Americans
#DC
As Democrat politicians and paid protester fume over President Trump's strikes in Iran - saying they were illegal and he needed constitutional authority, it may be a good time to take a look back at drone strikes that k*lled civilians and were ordered by Obama, Clinton and Biden.
Obama escalated troop levels in 2009 in the country and ordered airstrikes, including drone strikes, without Congressional approval.
#Obama
Obama ordered airstrikes starting against ISIS, bypassing Congressional authorization.
Airstrikes started in September 2014 against ISIS. Obama initially sought Congressional approval in 2013 for strikes against Assad but stopped asking for approval after he was denied and decided to strike without authorization.
In March 2011, Obama authorized airstrikes leading to Gaddafi’s overthrow. No Congressional approval was sought, Obama later called this a mistake, acknowledging that he didn't have legal grounding to take action
Drone strikes started in 2009 against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. These were not authorized by a Congressional vote, and the strikes resulted in the k*lling of civilians
Airstrikes and drone strikes against al-Shabaab started in 2009. Obama did not get congressional approval
#Somalia
Drone strikes in Waziristan started days after Obama’s inauguration in 2009, escalating to 128 strikes in 2010. No Congressional authorization was given
#Pakistan
The U.S. conducted airstrikes and drone strikes against ISIS affiliates in 2017, No specific Congressional approval was sought or given.
In 2013, Obama conducted a drone strike against al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) target, following a French-led intervention. This did not have congressional approval.
U.S. airstrikes started in 2016 against AQIM and ISIS affiliates with no Congressional authorization.
Clinton's 1999 intervention in Yugoslavia bypassed congressional approval.
#ChristinaAguayoNews
Can someone tell me when "two wrongs don't make a right" stopped being true? Because during this presidency, there have been a ton of wrongs. Nearly all defended not based on trying to show they are not wrong. Instead, always it is pointing to past wrongs as if that makes bad government ok.
I'd love to see anyone defending current government actions by pointing to past bad actions show where they also defended those actions back then. Something makes me think that occurred exactly zero times. In other words, some people's ethics are "It is bad when your guy does it but I will point to that when my guy does to defend him." Ok, if that is how you want to be seen.
What about a "massive and ongoing campaign" with a goal of "taking over the government?"
Is that a war? If not, what is a war?
My dad chopped and picked cotton, corn, shocked wheat and performed other back braking farm tasks through the Dust Bowl days when he was a young man. My older sisters even helped when they were little. His first vehicle was flatbed farm truck and it was far from new when he got it after World War II. A lot of the time it was for a meager living by working other people. I learned the phrase from him. He knew exactly what a cotton pickin’ minute meant because he experienced cotton pickin. So get off your high horse and realize that it doesn’t have to have racial overtones.
Hopefully I’ll be back in Oklahoma tonight.
It was mostly about "it needs Congressional approval". I'm not saying any of it was wrong or right.
Define "massive and ongoing campaign".
I didn't say it. The President did.
The same issues were being said in the past. I think a time sensitive strike such as the Bin Laden or even Maduro is a good argument. But, this is a long term breakdown of negotiations with a planned longer campaign and hopeful regime change. I can't see how that isn't war. If someone did that to us would we call it war?
People in Iran are going to die in Iran. Accept that as fact.
Do you want it surgical or do you want American boots on the ground?
I think Trump is garbage, but removing the Ayatollah, literally the Godfather of Hamas, Hezbelloah, the Yemen crisis and Sudanese crisis is a good thing.
Israel needs to be kept on a leash, and this is coming from someone who is ethnically Jewish.
Trump is also doing this to distract from Epstein (similar to ICE), but the vast majority of the 90 million people in Iran are about to throw a fucking party. Not everyone is going to agree.
Donald Trump is still garbage and a broken clock is right twice a day.
If we are going with personal anecdotes as the measure of the meaning of words, my own father used it with racial undertones. It has a problematic past:
cotton-picking / cotton-picker — Wordorigins.org
22 August 2025 The etymology of cotton-picking/picker is straightforward; it’s a compound of cotton + picking/picker . But the etiology is more complex and somewhat sinister, arising out of a metaphor for slavery in the American South. While in today’s usage the racist intent has often been
www.wordorigins.org
If we are going with personal anecdotes as the measure of the meaning of words, my own father used it with racial undertones. It has a problematic past:
cotton-picking / cotton-picker — Wordorigins.org
22 August 2025 The etymology of cotton-picking/picker is straightforward; it’s a compound of cotton + picking/picker . But the etiology is more complex and somewhat sinister, arising out of a metaphor for slavery in the American South. While in today’s usage the racist intent has often been
20 year old me wouldn't have made the connection. 45 year old me doesn't see it as that problematic but wouldn't say it regardless of the current conversation just to be safe. Im also a straight white middle class guy so anything related to race, gender, or sexual orientation I try and stay in my lane. But I also think if problematic things are said without malice it's ok to have a conversation about them without condemning the person who made the comments (not saying you are here, just in general). For most of us what was considered socially acceptable at one point in our lives may no longer be so and not everyone adapts at the same pace.
Watching trumps posted statement. Not sure if it's me or what but something seems weird here. Why is he posting statements and not having a live conference?
Furthermore, I learned from tv, too.If we are going with personal anecdotes as the measure of the meaning of words, my own father used it with racial undertones. It has a problematic past:
cotton-picking / cotton-picker — Wordorigins.org
22 August 2025 The etymology of cotton-picking/picker is straightforward; it’s a compound of cotton + picking/picker . But the etiology is more complex and somewhat sinister, arising out of a metaphor for slavery in the American South. While in today’s usage the racist intent has often been
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