Gundy Not in Trouble….restructuring

I coached over a decade. Disgruntled players will come out of no where and paint false pictures. It’s a shame.
I agree, I'm not a coach but I've taught now for 38 years, both at UCLA where I was a TA, and then here. There are sadly students who lie or exaggerate. They are thankfully not all that often, but they are out there. It's the way of the world. I had to deal with a student like that just this week.
 
The university and BOR have as much responsibility in this as Gundy does. They approved the contract (year after year) that they now deem is no good. They also allowed Gundy the freedom to do the crap he has done. As his employer they had the power/authority to address him. Now, after a 3-9 year where he was winless in conference they decide (maybe justified) it is no good and to blow it up.

I don’t disagree with your post, but the university and BOR are just as culpable in this train wreck as Gundy. It has been a joint venture in my opinion.
Keep in mind several on the BOR are more recent, within the last 3-4 years so much of Gundy’s contract was already in place. And even if you have concerns, being in the B12 championship 2 of the last 3 years doesn’t give you much leverage to address. 3-9 and a big egg in the B12 definitely opened that door.

I think much of this meeting was coming down hard on Shrum and Weiberg as well. They’re responsible for hashing out the details of the contract, and no one knows the conversations but it sure seems like they’ve gone to bat (or been pushed around) by Gundy the last couple years. The BOR was sending a message to them to get this in order. No doubt they discussed the “poor fans” comments and non apology. Probably had plenty of conversations about Mike not addressing the obvious coordinator issues in season and that their needs to be more vetting done of coordinators when hiring. Gundy asked, but wasn’t allowed in the meeting because the BOR was wanting to set expectations with the Pres and AD that they need to be managing their employee, not the other way around.
 
Ok, so let’s go back to say 2017. What’s the record now? My main concern is consistency. If he produces another season like this one or even similar it begins a concerning trend.
I think a big goal of the BoR was to make it not cost prohibitive to send Gundy off into the sunset. My guess is he has to make a bowl game next year or the odds are very good he’s gone.
 
I think we have some good young talent. Let’s see how it shapes out. 2 new coordinators might bring some of their guys with them from the portal. This is what is great about the new landscape, we can flip this entire thing around next year. Just have to make the right hires and choices but it can be done.
I appreciate your optimism that a program can get turned around in one year. I hope you are right. But we've got stiff headwinds against us. For one thing, every recruiter is going to remind potential players what a $#!+ show we've got in Stillwater. Also, we haven't a developed a QB yet who can take us to the next level. Most important, I doubt Gundawg has the personality to adjust to the realignment of power with players.

Back in the day, college coaches had almost all the power over players, and Gundawg is comfortable in that world. But everything has changed, and players will leave, ask for money, refuse to play in bowl games, etc.

You've watched Gundawg over the years. Can he handle that kind of situation? I very much doubt it. I know I couldn't. But there are some coaches who have the people skills to deal with difficult situations. They will be successful in this new era of college football.

To me, that's the main reason we won't have the talent to win championships even if we find good coordinators.
 
I appreciate your optimism that a program can get turned around in one year. I hope you are right. But we've got stiff headwinds against us. For one thing, every recruiter is going to remind potential players what a $#!+ show we've got in Stillwater. Also, we haven't a developed a QB yet who can take us to the next level. Most important, I doubt Gundawg has the personality to adjust to the realignment of power with players.

Back in the day, college coaches had almost all the power over players, and Gundawg is comfortable in that world. But everything has changed, and players will leave, ask for money, refuse to play in bowl games, etc.

You've watched Gundawg over the years. Can he handle that kind of situation? I very much doubt it. I know I couldn't. But there are some coaches who have the people skills to deal with difficult situations. They will be successful in this new era of college football.

To me, that's the main reason we won't have the talent to win championships even if we find good coordinators.
I definitely see your point!
 
Ok, so let’s go back to say 2017. What’s the record now? My main concern is consistency. If he produces another season like this one or even similar it begins a concerning trend.
Again, you can’t choose random years…I like the ole “what have you done for me lately?”
 
I agree, I'm not a coach but I've taught now for 38 years, both at UCLA where I was a TA, and then here. There are sadly students who lie or exaggerate. They are thankfully not all that often, but they are out there. It's the way of the world. I had to deal with a student like that just this week.
Works the other way too. You can have a teacher or coach getting run for abusive behavior and you’ll have students who loved him/her and claim they’re the best.
 
Ok, so what years would you like to use? This one only? Again, Oklahoma State has played in the Big 12 title game twice out of the last 4 years.
**raises hand**

I’m really guilty of recency bias, particularly in a rapidly shifting landscape where the leader is clinging to the past & I’m watching a 2nd year coach, at a school with no tradition, match our leader in titles.

Call me crazy
 
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**raises hand**

I’m really guilty of recency bias, particularly in a rapidly shifting landscape where the leader is clinging to the past & I’m watching a 2nd year coach, at a school with no tradition, match our leader in titles.

Call me crazy
I hear ya! Gundy has to adapt, pursue NIL (donors have to step up in this area as well), let his coordinators run their schemes and coach. Hopefully he does this, if so I believe we’ll be right back to contending to play on this weekend.
 
We had unmotivated and jealous talent that more NIL could have helped fix. Absolutely would have improved our QB situation.
This is the most idiotic argument that I think I’ve seen made on a message board. So congrats, I guess.

You think that our players, because they were jealous of not making more money, coasted through the season and that by paying them more, we would’ve won more? Even if that was remotely close to the truth, why on God’s green earth would you want to pay that kind of player more money? Come on.. just admit that NIL had nothing to do with this failure of a season and move on.

As for the QB situation, as far as I know, only a few people predicted that Bowman would regress. The vast majority of the fan base (and media) were expecting Bowman coming back to be a key advantage. Unless you think he was overthrowing receivers on purpose because he wanted more money… just stupid…
 
I suppose Gundy could agree to retire if they will approve a separation package for him. But, that doesn't really align with having already fired the coordinators.

I used to have some dealings with Jimmy Harrel. He has been a Regent for a long time and we had some discussions about OSU athletics. In addition to not liking Gundy, Josh H., and Dr. Shrum, he didn't like Les Miles, Bob Simmons, Pat Jones, Tom Holiday, or Eddie Sutton.
Sounds like he doesn't like anyone.
 
Ok, so what years would you like to use? This one only? Again, Oklahoma State has played in the Big 12 title game twice out of the last 4 years.
I’ve already done this..go back and look at my first response…OR look at this past season…0-9 and Rarely even competitive (twice) OSU 198-opp 366 pts OSU 22-opp 40.1 ppg…and he constantly said our game plan was not good, WTF, you have final say on those things!
 
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This is the most idiotic argument that I think I’ve seen made on a message board. So congrats, I guess.

You think that our players, because they were jealous of not making more money, coasted through the season and that by paying them more, we would’ve won more? Even if that was remotely close to the truth, why on God’s green earth would you want to pay that kind of player more money? Come on.. just admit that NIL had nothing to do with this failure of a season and move on.

As for the QB situation, as far as I know, only a few people predicted that Bowman would regress. The vast majority of the fan base (and media) were expecting Bowman coming back to be a key advantage. Unless you think he was overthrowing receivers on purpose because he wanted more money… just stupid…
Whose fault is it that Bowman regressed, I ask?
 
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