Deadlam

[HacklemanPoke]

You left out this is the first time they have had back to back road games in conference, they got a larger piece of the revenue pie than other members, they never have to travel to whorn u and no one had the cajones to vote against them on any rule change (Baker Mayfield rule for example). Their life is nine short months to go from running the thing to trying to survive.

I completely forgot about the Baker deal!

Even their “king” Switzer acknowledges that the advantages they’ve had in talent and scheduling are gone. And now w NIL they will find themselves even further challenged.

 

[andylicious]

I completely forgot about the Baker deal!

Even their “king” Switzer acknowledges that the advantages they’ve had in talent and scheduling are gone. And now w NIL they will find themselves even further challenged.

They have no clue of the amount of money they don’t have to secure their future. It cracked me up when Reilly was chatting with LSU and one of the local radio hosts could not understand why LSU has enough money to lure a coach away from the u of goon

 

[Cowboyshoopspride]

Couple of things to add/piggyback:

I think the attrition you saw in Orlando is a direct reflection of something Ubran Meyer use to talk about all the time. He said the single biggest difference between coaching at Florida and Ohio State was the week in/week out physicality of the SEC. At Florida, every Sunday he had to ask the trainers who was in the training room and who would be available to practice by Tuesday or Wednesday. We played one of those games on 11/4. It was a very physical game against a team that has routinely out recruited us at virtually every position for years. While we held our own, we paid a price the following week and weren't in any way shape or form the same team. ou will struggle with that for a few years as well as they don't have the weekly depth either, yet.

However, as @HacklemanPoke pointed out, they are already behind the 8 ball and are losing their single biggest advantage which was only one other team in XII was on their personnel level week in and week out. Now there will be no less than 7 or 8, maybe more. Those teams aren't going to sit on their heels with both Texas campuses coming in and I am 1000% convinced some of their fans actually believe that. They will all continue to get better too as they are also getting a significant financial bump.

And to @andylicious point, now add in the demand to win in that league and imagine the coaching carousel that is without a doubt coming and some of the most prestigious jobs to exist. Routine 8-4 years are their future with a year sprinkled in where everything lines up and even then may still be two losses or more. It's just the nature of the beast that has been created.

 

[DxCowboy]

Couple of things to add/piggyback:

I think the attrition you saw in Orlando is a direct reflection of something Ubran Meyer use to talk about all the time. He said the single biggest difference between coaching at Florida and Ohio State was the week in/week out physicality of the SEC. At Florida, every Sunday he had to ask the trainers who was in the training room and who would be available to practice by Tuesday or Wednesday. We played one of those games on 11/4. It was a very physical game against a team that has routinely out recruited us at virtually every position for years. While we held our own, we paid a price the following week and weren't in any way shape or form the same team. ou will struggle with that for a few years as well as they don't have the weekly depth either, yet.

However, as @HacklemanPoke pointed out, they are already behind the 8 ball and are losing their single biggest advantage which was only one other team in XII was on their personnel level week in and week out. Now there will be no less than 7 or 8, maybe more. Those teams aren't going to sit on their heels with both Texas campuses coming in and I am 1000% convinced some of their fans actually believe that. They will all continue to get better too as they are also getting a significant financial bump.

And to @andylicious point, now add in the demand to win in that league and imagine the coaching carousel that is without a doubt coming and some of the most prestigious jobs to exist. Routine 8-4 years are their future with a year sprinkled in where everything lines up and even then may still be two losses or more. It's just the nature of the beast that has been created.

The lines of scrimmage are where they're going to feel it the most, imo. If you look at OU & Texas, the real separation that's occurred between them and the SEC over the last decade or so are dominant NFL talents particularly on the DL. OU's got a good number of OL throughout the NFL, but it's been a long, long time since Gerald McCoy was in Norman.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Couple of things to add/piggyback:

I think the attrition you saw in Orlando is a direct reflection of something Ubran Meyer use to talk about all the time. He said the single biggest difference between coaching at Florida and Ohio State was the week in/week out physicality of the SEC. At Florida, every Sunday he had to ask the trainers who was in the training room and who would be available to practice by Tuesday or Wednesday. We played one of those games on 11/4. It was a very physical game against a team that has routinely out recruited us at virtually every position for years. While we held our own, we paid a price the following week and weren't in any way shape or form the same team. ou will struggle with that for a few years as well as they don't have the weekly depth either, yet.

However, as @HacklemanPoke pointed out, they are already behind the 8 ball and are losing their single biggest advantage which was only one other team in XII was on their personnel level week in and week out. Now there will be no less than 7 or 8, maybe more. Those teams aren't going to sit on their heels with both Texas campuses coming in and I am 1000% convinced some of their fans actually believe that. They will all continue to get better too as they are also getting a significant financial bump.

And to @andylicious point, now add in the demand to win in that league and imagine the coaching carousel that is without a doubt coming and some of the most prestigious jobs to exist. Routine 8-4 years are their future with a year sprinkled in where everything lines up and even then may still be two losses or more. It's just the nature of the beast that has been created.

I think another significant advantage and it can’t be emphasized enough is how the road schedule compounds the talent gap.

Currently only 1 team is even close to uo and they get that team on a 50/50 neutral field every year.

Now they will have to go at least 3 and every other year 4 times on the road where the “talent” will be way closer and probably better.

Just this yr w a talent gap somewhat diminished they lost their only 2 road games against decent teams and the 1st one was at fku where the weather delay all but did away w fku’s home advantage. Their other 2 conference road games are against the worst 2 teams in the conference.

Let’s also not forget that from Baker to Hurts uo unquestionably enjoyed a run of unprecedented talent. That QB run covered up other deficiencies. Those deficiencies have been exposed as well as playing youth at the QB. As good as their next guy might turn out he’ll be playing in a conference where talent on the other side of the ball is bigger and faster and the risk of injury goes way up.

 

[Midnight Toker]

You’ve been winning against a 9 game P5 conference schedule where only 1 team has talent equal to yours. The other 8 don’t even appear on your list and are probably man for man 20 or more men deficient on an 85 man roster based solely on recruiting “blue chips”

Go back and look at your list. Now add Tennessee who is recruiting better and Ole’ Miss. currently your list has 7 teams in your new conf who are recruiting better or within 10 players on an 85 man roster of uo. Add Tennessee and Ole’ Miss and you have 9 teams with talent better than or within 10 players of uo.

Now look at the big12. Aside from Texas which has always been on your schedule and Nebraska, there are and have never been (outside of 1 or 2 yrs and never w consistency) Any conference teams in the big12/8 w talent within 20 players of uo.

On top of that there are no venues (outside of BPS the last 7 or so years) in the big12 where you have to compete w the atmosphere.

Sure you’ve won conf championships but outside of a magical run in 2000 that was really no different than our 2011 run it’s been damn near 40 yrs since you can say you could line up across from anybody and out talent them.

You’ve won conf championships the last 50 years bc your talent has been far superior than any team save 1 team (Nebraska then Texas). You’ve had the advantage of playing that 1 team (Texas) on a neutral field unlike any other team in the Big12 who every other yr has had to go to Texas.

Your own list proves you no longer have the talent edge over 7 teams and another 3 are within 10 players of being equal. And you have to go to LSU, Bama, Tenn, Oxford, Auburn, College Station, Athens, Gainesville. Those are way different than Stillwater, Ames, Lawerence, Lubbock, Manhattan and Waco.

If you are saying the teams are better in sec, i know. if you are saying their mid teams will beat you up , even if they lose, yes i know. if you are saying Ws will be harder to come by, yes i know.

tennesssee and mississippi recruit well, but not as well as venables does. in the 23 class OU would have the #3 sec class, and in 2024 the're 4th in sec. if you collate the 2022, 2023 and 2024 classes OU is ahead of everyone not named georgia and alabama.

In regard to talent edge- If you look at the blue chip ratio OU is ahead of almost everyone as well. So yes i know at the top sec is very heavy hitters. after you get through the first 3 programs it lightens up precipitously. I mean, only 8 teams in the entire fbs have a 70% ratio or higher. OU is in good company here. so they currently enjoy a talent edge even over most sec teams. the primary difference is the talent gap from bama/uga and everyone else is very wide.

Yes the big 12 stinks compared to sec, it's why OU has dominated it for so long.

 

[Midnight Toker]

German beer must be consumed in Germany for it to be considered great.

That's why I need to go back. I watched bedlam from a bar in italy in 2017 so there's precedence!

 

[Midnight Toker]

this year 8-2 and just a few plays away from 6-4...fixed it for ya...

Cool, so just a few plays a way from 10-0 and 6-4

meet in the middle at 8-2. they are 8-2? whoa!

 

[PF5]

Cool, so just a few plays a way from 10-0 and 6-4

meet in the middle at 8-2. they are 8-2? whoa!

0-1 in Bedlam

 

[Cowboyshoopspride]

0-1 in Bedlam

In a ‘mid major’ conference.

 

[Midnight Toker]

14-9 under Venables, truly the stuff of legends.

You've got to keep in mind though that they don't really 'get excited' about Big 12 games. They'll be whole new team next year.

It is getting more difficult to get up for the baylors, isus, wvus of the world and it will be fun to see alabama, south carolina and the fighting heupels. It might be the best home schedule in 20 years or more

 

[Midnight Toker]

That’s if ATM doesn’t $$$ vegetable

That would suck but i think he's too much of an OU guy to bounce out after 2 seasons. Besides i dont think he's a great culture fit for them

 

[Midnight Toker]

I gave you too much credit earlier in the thread. You seem like a nice person that's passionate about college football, but honestly man...none of us really care that much about OU's prospects in the SEC. Losing Bedlam hurts (as previously discussed), but beyond that....we won't have a reason to know or care about your team going forward. Most of us will probably cheer against them if we happen to be watching SEC football at some point on a Saturday, but doubt anyone will want to discuss any of it on this board.

If you dont care, then you should dip out of the thread.

I'm not the one who created a thread called 'bedlam'. nobody is making you be here

 

[Midnight Toker]

But the Big 12 refs have been out to get them for 2 years now!

There's evidence that they are eating their whistles at inopportune times.

OU conference opponents only got 1 holding call all year last year. in a thousand plays from scrimmage, only one hold. and they were #5 in the country in TFLs, which means they were disruptive.

Tx conference opponents got 2 holding calls all year. and they were 13th in the country in TFLs, also rather disruptive.

Both Ou and texas were #1 and 2 most penalized teams in the big 12 in 2022 and currently in 2023 as well.

Then if we look at opponent penalties per game, just in the last 3 games OU opponents are getting 3.7 penalties per game which is much lower htan the 5.8 average for the season.

I am not saying the refs have it out for them. but there's some fishy behavior afoot.

 

[Midnight Toker]

They have no clue of the amount of money they don’t have to secure their future. It cracked me up when Reilly was chatting with LSU and one of the local radio hosts could not understand why LSU has enough money to lure a coach away from the u of goon

You can count on 1 hand how many sec teams generate more athletics revenue and invests more heavily into NIL than OU, and OU is not far behind

 

[Midnight Toker]

0-1 in Bedlam

Yep, so far in 2023.

 

[Midnight Toker]

In a ‘mid major’ conference.

They'll be a mid major next year. Right now they still have two blue bloods, and tx being the only big 12 team with a chance to see the conference back in the playoff. next year i guess, i dunno, utah will be running things? the new daddy will be a program who has been in the fbs since 2011

 

[DxCowboy]

It is getting more difficult to get up for the baylors, isus, wvus of the world and it will be fun to see alabama, south carolina and the fighting heupels. It might be the best home schedule in 20 years or more

Clearly, as the record indicates.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Clearly, as the record indicates.

yes, tennessee and alabama both have a good record, though south carolina is a bit disappointing. But we like Beamer a lot so if he's still around next season it'll be fun to see him on the other sideline.

 

[Midnight Toker]

The lines of scrimmage are where they're going to feel it the most, imo. If you look at OU & Texas, the real separation that's occurred between them and the SEC over the last decade or so are dominant NFL talents particularly on the DL. OU's got a good number of OL throughout the NFL, but it's been a long, long time since Gerald McCoy was in Norman.

Yes exactly, the biggest difference is in the trenches. That's why it was so important to get that 5 star DT in the 24 class on top of a couple other top 200 DL. they'll have to continue to get players like that. and who knows what the portal will bring now that aggie is in shambles, they have a handful of former 5 star DL who were high on OU.