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Conference Realignment - What's next?
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the biggest road block is how to budget. You get $20 million guaranteed but then get a variable payout from qtr to qtr based on the number of NEW subscribers sign up during that qtr.
Budgeting would be a nightmare if you didn't know how much your going to get in revenue sharing from qtr to qtr.
Newpoke
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Low payout and no network (other than PAC) exposure? They already can't get people to attend or watch their games, how many people do they think are going to pay extra for this? What a trash proposal. I can't believe the remaining members (who have better options on the table) are even considering this.
I gotta believe they really aren't, but they've been in the PAC so long they're going to act like they are out of pity.
PorcupinePoke
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Wow! This thread suddenly blew up. I guess people finally figured out what was going on. LOL!!!
FYI, FSU's Board of Trustees Peter Collins just did an interview with Warchant on Youtube. I didn't watch it so I don't know the details, but it sounds like he came a hairs breath away from flat out saying they are leaving the ACC. Probably a lot of rhetoric to push things the directions they want, it does seem like FSU could make a big push to leave the ACC VERY VERY soon. Absolutely insane!!!
Look for this to start making headline news over the next few hours tonight. If you care to watch the hour long interview here you go:
FYI, FSU's Board of Trustees Peter Collins just did an interview with Warchant on Youtube. I didn't watch it so I don't know the details, but it sounds like he came a hairs breath away from flat out saying they are leaving the ACC. Probably a lot of rhetoric to push things the directions they want, it does seem like FSU could make a big push to leave the ACC VERY VERY soon. Absolutely insane!!!
Look for this to start making headline news over the next few hours tonight. If you care to watch the hour long interview here you go:
PorcupinePoke
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I'd be fine with ASU and Utah, but I very much think Yormark should push for Oregon and Washington. I don't care if they leave after the Grant of Rights ends in 2031. The help build the conference while they are here and then when they leave the conference banks well over 200 million in exit fees.
PorcupinePoke
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Do yourself a favor. Read this thread and smile. The Big 12 has gone from being on death's doorstep to the generally accepted 3rd best conference. Even without OU and UT out. Basically everyone believes that sometime in the next decade there will only be 3 remaining Power conferences and the Big 12 will be one of them. Yes, we will still be a ways behind the B1G and SEC, but I don't expect that to last forever. I'm not saying we close the gap, but if the Big 12 doesn't get raided before the next media deal I firmly believe the Big 12 will significantly narrow the gap with the B1G and SEC. I say this because there is still a TON of quality in the Big 12 and when you stick all the big dogs together they can't all win. This is going to be a significant problem that most everyone forgets. Yet over the next decade it will start to become more and more of a talking point.
Anyway, I rambled on. Here is the thing to read. click on it to read all the tweets.
Anyway, I rambled on. Here is the thing to read. click on it to read all the tweets.
Good lord, what a s#!tshow!
Why was the PAC in dire straights? Horribly underwhelming subscriptions to their conference network. So the solution? An incentive laden deal that banks on, wait for it…SUBSCRIPTIONS.
Any of those administrations that aren’t speed dialing Yormark deserve what’s coming.
Why was the PAC in dire straights? Horribly underwhelming subscriptions to their conference network. So the solution? An incentive laden deal that banks on, wait for it…SUBSCRIPTIONS.
Any of those administrations that aren’t speed dialing Yormark deserve what’s coming.
Rumors are that FSU and Clemson from ACC and Oregon and Washington from PAC 12 may make jump to Big 10
Rumor mill is on fire over those 4 right now
I'll believe it when I see it regarding FSU and Clemson in this. From when we were wondering about going to the B1G and no AAU status being a huge hurdle, I don't see that getting overlooked for those 2 either. B1G is stingy about academic status and cares about more than just football brand. Neither FSU or Clemson is AAU and outside of football are usually mediocre. I would think they go after ND, UVA, and UNC before they start to look elsewhere. All 3 of them offer more prestigious academics, more past overall athletic success, and a perfectly healthy future athletic success outlook, namely in men's basketball which the B1G prides themselves on.
Soothsayer
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That's all smoke and mirrors. Unless FSU can convince a majority of the ACC to go along with them, there's not way of getting around the grant of rights. I can't see more than 7 of the ACC schools going along. Even a protracted lawsuit doesn't help them much because the landscape of college football will likely already be much different by its resolution.
Question - with the BIG and SEC (Texas and USC) doing what they have, which started all of this, would it not behoove every other school and conference to say f**k off, we're not playing any of you guys anymore. If they're really the Power - 2, they just play one another every year and the rest of us go back to College Football. Think about it, how boring would that be? The big match up of the weekend is Ohio State versus Vandy or Rutgers at Texas. How about Purdue heading to UGA for their prime time match up? How about a match up of Northwestern versus OU in Chicago in late Nov. Or better yet, South Carolina v So Cal for a battle of the USC's. Ooohh boy talk about must watch TV. Other than a few big rivalry game,s which can't possibly even schedule all of in to a 12 game set, their entire season would be like the first 3 weeks of the year.
No one else plays them and they take their little 28 program league with the likes of Nebraska, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy, Mizzou and Kentucky all claiming relevancy they don't have but still taking parts of the pie. Then the real bluest of blue bloods do what they do and start demanding more money (which they absolutely will including Texas in the SEC) and suddenly those programs above are getting same as the rest of us Then the super rich can go build their semi pro super league.
I realize this would never happen (I REALIZE THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN FOR THE SLOW ONES ALREADY POUNDING THE KEYBOARD) and we saw how fast the BIG reneged on their "alliance with PAC and ACC" but I thought it would be a fun concept to discuss in the doldrums.
No one else plays them and they take their little 28 program league with the likes of Nebraska, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy, Mizzou and Kentucky all claiming relevancy they don't have but still taking parts of the pie. Then the real bluest of blue bloods do what they do and start demanding more money (which they absolutely will including Texas in the SEC) and suddenly those programs above are getting same as the rest of us Then the super rich can go build their semi pro super league.
I realize this would never happen (I REALIZE THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN FOR THE SLOW ONES ALREADY POUNDING THE KEYBOARD) and we saw how fast the BIG reneged on their "alliance with PAC and ACC" but I thought it would be a fun concept to discuss in the doldrums.
Paul Finebaum slams Pac-12's potential deal with Apple: 'It's over for the Pac-12'
Paul Finebaum is not impressed with the Pac-12’s media rights options.Finebaum went on ‘Get Up’ on Wednesday morning and said “it’s over” for the Pac-12 after commissioner George Kliavkoff reportedly presented a streaming-focused deal with Apple to league executives on Tuesday.
A package with Apple would reportedly be incentive-based and include escalators based on how many subscribers there are. Finebaum was skeptical that fans would be lining up to subscribe to a Pac-12 that has lost 3 key members over the past year.
“The bottom line is this, guys,” Finebaum said. “Nobody is signing up on Apple to watch the Pac-12 because there’s nothing to watch once you lose Colorado, UCLA and USC.
“I don’t want to be the guy that keeps burying this league because I think I did it the other day, but I’m gonna keep doing it. Somebody needs to shovel dirt on this league and end this charade. It’s over for the Pac-12.”
Finebaum also said that programs who are being courted by the Big 12 — reportedly Arizona, Arizona State and Utah — should take action.
“And if these 3 don’t get out of here, they’re going down with the ship,” Finebaum said.
Paul Finebaum slams Pac-12’s potential deal with Apple: ‘It’s over for the Pac-12’
Paul Finebaum has seen enough.
www.saturdaydownsouth.com
Big 12/Pac-12 “dance” has massive implications, right down to Fort Worth and Dallas
A Big 12 source said that they felt that the chances of Arizona leaving the Pac-12 for the Big 12 are about “80 percent.”
If Arizona follows Colorado to the Big 12, you would need a Writer’s Guild member to script a scenario where Arizona State remains in the Pac-12. The University of Arizona board manages both U of A and ASU. The University of Arizona board scheduled an impromptu meeting, after the Pac-12 held a meeting of its own, on Tuesday; the Pac-12 reportedly delivered its potential options for a media right’s deal that has become one of the biggest talking points in major college athletics. Apple TV + is reportedly involved, which means ... something. We aren’t sure what, which is consistent with a lot of the “news” surrounding college athletics realignment. Reading the various reports on the specifics of what Apple TV + has offered the Pac-12, and it could be what the future of media rights look like for a lot of sports. Apple TV + currently offers MLB and MLS games; a jump into college sports is logical. We really don’t know anything other than the following: The Big 12 continues to pursue Pac-12 schools, and the Pac-12’s future looks as stable as a bowl of pudding. With Colorado headed to join the Big 12 in the summer of 2024, there will be 13 member schools in a conference named the Big 12. Only in a world created by the 14-team Big 10 is this all logical. A Big 12 source said they feel confident the league will add one to three more teams in the next month or so. One or three more gives the Big 12 an even number. As to which schools, believe whatever your heart desires (just as long as your heart doesn’t include Notre Dame). The most frequently discussed combination includes Arizona, Arizona State and Utah. It will be another Pac-12 school or two, or three; or, a Pac-12 school with a school from the Mountain West Conference, or American Athletic Conference. If it’s from the latter, that school will not be SMU.
Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article277870423.html#storylink=cpy
A Big 12 source said that they felt that the chances of Arizona leaving the Pac-12 for the Big 12 are about “80 percent.”
If Arizona follows Colorado to the Big 12, you would need a Writer’s Guild member to script a scenario where Arizona State remains in the Pac-12. The University of Arizona board manages both U of A and ASU. The University of Arizona board scheduled an impromptu meeting, after the Pac-12 held a meeting of its own, on Tuesday; the Pac-12 reportedly delivered its potential options for a media right’s deal that has become one of the biggest talking points in major college athletics. Apple TV + is reportedly involved, which means ... something. We aren’t sure what, which is consistent with a lot of the “news” surrounding college athletics realignment. Reading the various reports on the specifics of what Apple TV + has offered the Pac-12, and it could be what the future of media rights look like for a lot of sports. Apple TV + currently offers MLB and MLS games; a jump into college sports is logical. We really don’t know anything other than the following: The Big 12 continues to pursue Pac-12 schools, and the Pac-12’s future looks as stable as a bowl of pudding. With Colorado headed to join the Big 12 in the summer of 2024, there will be 13 member schools in a conference named the Big 12. Only in a world created by the 14-team Big 10 is this all logical. A Big 12 source said they feel confident the league will add one to three more teams in the next month or so. One or three more gives the Big 12 an even number. As to which schools, believe whatever your heart desires (just as long as your heart doesn’t include Notre Dame). The most frequently discussed combination includes Arizona, Arizona State and Utah. It will be another Pac-12 school or two, or three; or, a Pac-12 school with a school from the Mountain West Conference, or American Athletic Conference. If it’s from the latter, that school will not be SMU.
Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article277870423.html#storylink=cpy
It will never happen.
I agree with the concept though. It would take all of the schools outside those 2 leagues banding together to agree not to play them, but as we are currently watching, $$$ talks. Programs starving for $$$ will line up just like the FCS schools do now.
Love that idea but you're right there's no way it would ever come to fruition. Way too many individual egos that would have to band together in unity and not jump at the first chance to join the big boys club and make more money. Assuming it would even be able to get off the ground, namely would the money from broadcast rights make it possible or sustainable for anyone not in the B1G or $ec?
Finebaum is the chode-iest of chodes out there but he's not wrong here.Paul Finebaum slams Pac-12's potential deal with Apple: 'It's over for the Pac-12'
Paul Finebaum is not impressed with the Pac-12’s media rights options.
Finebaum went on ‘Get Up’ on Wednesday morning and said “it’s over” for the Pac-12 after commissioner George Kliavkoff reportedly presented a streaming-focused deal with Apple to league executives on Tuesday.
A package with Apple would reportedly be incentive-based and include escalators based on how many subscribers there are. Finebaum was skeptical that fans would be lining up to subscribe to a Pac-12 that has lost 3 key members over the past year.
“The bottom line is this, guys,” Finebaum said. “Nobody is signing up on Apple to watch the Pac-12 because there’s nothing to watch once you lose Colorado, UCLA and USC.
“I don’t want to be the guy that keeps burying this league because I think I did it the other day, but I’m gonna keep doing it. Somebody needs to shovel dirt on this league and end this charade. It’s over for the Pac-12.”
Finebaum also said that programs who are being courted by the Big 12 — reportedly Arizona, Arizona State and Utah — should take action.
“And if these 3 don’t get out of here, they’re going down with the ship,” Finebaum said.
Paul Finebaum slams Pac-12’s potential deal with Apple: ‘It’s over for the Pac-12’
Paul Finebaum has seen enough.