Border problem.

[Polds4OSU]

Sure we can seal the border. There is zero political will to do so. Maybe stop inviting them?

did biden tell immigrants tp flood the border - Google Suche

THE LAW REQUIRES THEM TO PRESENT THEMSELVES IN PERSON AT THE US BORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REFUGEE STATUS

the law itself states they must show up ...the Law is inviting them ...it is required of the law ..CHANGE THE LAW ...that is where it starts but no one wants to do that because then it might actually fix the problem...you won't hear any GOP or Dem elected officials speak about this part

 

[JTOSU]

You’re not dealing with someone that engages in good faith rationality.

Wasting your time.

LOL - coming from the least self-aware poster we have. Appreciate your consistency.

 

[GOGETUMPOKE]

THE LAW REQUIRES THEM TO PRESENT THEMSELVES IN PERSON AT THE US BORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REFUGEE STATUS

the law itself states they must show up ...the Law is inviting them ...it is required of the law ..CHANGE THE LAW ...that is where it starts but no one wants to do that because then it might actually fix the problem...you won't hear any GOP or Dem elected officials speak about this part

As previously stated we had 800,000 enter our country last year without any contact whatsoever with border patrol. It starts with a secure border and until we achieve that maybe it isn’t a great idea to tell them to surge our border.

 

[JTOSU]

Could you explain what you mean by this?

Given that above you said:


Are you calling it facts but complaining that putting forth a bill that has everything your side wants and no compromise with the other side is jsut more useless partisanship? Or, are you saying that the republicans should just always get their way in government?

We had someone post that the border failure was due to a particular party. Which is laughable, or should be. That person mentioned that one of the reasons was the failure of the one party to approve a bill that they claimed that party conceived.
It has been widely reported what is in the potential bill. Another person included some facts which showed why it would be difficult for compromise,

The President is claiming he is serious on border security. If true, what does billions to Ukraine do to help? The Dems had total control of house and Senate previously, why not do something then? The Republicans had total control a couple of years ago and did not do enough.

Our extreme partisans on this board (the Zzzz crowd) cannot see this is a problem with both parties. It is a leadership problem not a partisan issue. Silly to totally blame one party for the border failure.

 

[steross]

We had someone post that the border failure was due to a particular party. Which is laughable, or should be. That person mentioned that one of the reasons was the failure of the one party to approve a bill that they claimed that party conceived.
It has been widely reported what is in the potential bill. Another person included some facts which showed why it would be difficult for compromise,

The President is claiming he is serious on border security. If true, what does billions to Ukraine do to help? The Dems had total control of house and Senate previously, why not do something then? The Republicans had total control a couple of years ago and did not do enough.

Our extreme partisans on this board (the Zzzz crowd) cannot see this is a problem with both parties. It is a leadership problem not a partisan issue. Silly to totally blame one party for the border failure.

So, you feel the democrats should relinquish their desire to assist Ukraine in the bill while republicans add non-related items to bills at a higher rate than dems do?

 

[CowboyJD]

You’ve got one of the two presumptive Presidential nominees (Trump) advocating doing absolutely nothing….actually advocating for not negotiating in any way…..on border issues because if something was agreed to that actually helped he wouldn’t get credit.

The other presumptive nominee (Biden) is actually engaging in bipartisan talks and at least trying to get something done…some kind of compromise. MAGA republicans, in response, are seeking to censure their own party members for trying to get something done on the border.

Historically, both parties are responsible for the border failure.

No doubt.

Presently, however, it is absolutely a single party that is actively roadblocking any movement towards compromise or talks to solve or improve the border situation. All at the behest of their presumptive national nominee for his own personal and political gain.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

We had someone post that the border failure was due to a particular party. Which is laughable, or should be. That person mentioned that one of the reasons was the failure of the one party to approve a bill that they claimed that party conceived.
It has been widely reported what is in the potential bill. Another person included some facts which showed why it would be difficult for compromise,

The President is claiming he is serious on border security. If true, what does billions to Ukraine do to help? The Dems had total control of house and Senate previously, why not do something then? The Republicans had total control a couple of years ago and did not do enough.

Our extreme partisans on this board (the Zzzz crowd) cannot see this is a problem with both parties. It is a leadership problem not a partisan issue. Silly to totally blame one party for the border failure.

Hello 1 person here. It’s great to be able to parse what someone posts. My original post was to point out that all this talk on the border coming from one side is nothing but theater. I clearly said in a follow up post that Magastanians and progressives do not want to fix the problem and I still stand by that.

There is a real opportunity to start solving border security and immigration in a real humane way. The current bill being discussed is not perfect but at least portions of 2 parties are trying to get something done.

It was never my intent to say the current proposal was drafted entirely by one side and that side killed their own bill. In fact my original post says that Rs failed to take up a bill that was drafted “in part” by their own party.

I expect Bob to deal in bad faith but if you are going to passively aggressively call out posters please use reflect their posts correctly.

To clarify.

Both parties have people not serious about border control and immigration.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

You’ve got one of the two presumptive Presidential nominees (Trump) advocating doing absolutely nothing….actually advocating for not negotiating in any way…..on border issues because if something was agreed to that actually helped he wouldn’t get credit.

The other presumptive nominee (Biden) is actually engaging in bipartisan talks and at least trying to get something done…some kind of compromise. MAGA republicans, in response, are seeking to censure their own party members for trying to get something done on the border.

Historically, both parties are responsible for the border failure.

No doubt.

Presently, however, it is absolutely a single party that is actively roadblocking any movement towards compromise or talks to solve or improve the border situation. All at the behest of their presumptive national nominee for his own personal and political gain.

This is what I’ll never get and please don’t mistake what I’m saying as support for everything D and opposition for everything R.

We are actively engaged in 2 world conflicts that in 2012-15 our current position would be dang near 100% what 2012-15 Rs would have wanted.

We are allowing Israel to deal w their own issue, strengthening NATO and weakening Putin without sacrificing 1 US soldier’s life. And frankly we are achieving this at Dollar General prices compared to what it could cost. This all screams America First.

And bc some Rs want to get mango Mussolini back in office they tied border security and immigration to these other 2 conflicts.

While I may not agree w that I don’t know that if I were in their shoes I would have done it differently. That’s how leverage works. Kudos to them.

Sensible Rs and some of whom are very conservative took up this mantle and have actually been able to get Biden to move further right than he was on border/immigration. They all saw this as an opportunity to at least get something positive on all 3 issues and Biden, Ds and NATO allied Rs got no guarantee that by getting border deal done they get anything on Israel or Ukraine funding.

Reports I’ve read on current border/immigration proposal are not perfect and they are not ideologically pure for either side. But nothing pure will ever get done.

So JT & Bob, you are ok if this deal gets killed and 10,000 per day along w drugs come our way and 1000’s of weapons continue to flow into Mexico from our side which fall into the cartel and gang hands which further fuels the asylum seekers? There is no guarantee that if Trump is elected that anything close to what we have gets done. So then you’re ok w a President using EO’s to address? But how would you feel if Biden used EO’s to enact every proposal in what’s currently being reported or something left of that? Would you also be ok w him using EO’s to fund Israel and Ukraine?

 

[JTOSU]

So, you feel the democrats should relinquish their desire to assist Ukraine in the bill while republicans add non-related items to bills at a higher rate than dems do?

I have never advocated for Republicans adding non-related items to the bill. What non-related items have you read that have been added?

 

[JTOSU]

So JT & Bob, you are ok if this deal gets killed and 10,000 per day along w drugs come our way and 1000’s of weapons continue to flow into Mexico from our side which fall into the cartel and gang hands which further fuels the asylum seekers? There is no guarantee that if Trump is elected that anything close to what we have gets done. So then you’re ok w a President using EO’s to address? But how would you feel if Biden used EO’s to enact every proposal in what’s currently being reported or something left of that? Would you also be ok w him using EO’s to fund Israel and Ukraine?

I think you will agree that the recent surge happened after Biden ended Title 42. I want a bill to strengthen border security. The proposed bill, the portion about border security, is a good step forward..no disagreement. I hope it gets signed, but there is no secret that many in the House do not want to send additional taxpayer funds to Ukraine.

I would also hope you agree that sending billions to Ukraine has zero to do with southern border security. There is ZERO reason for Ukraine funding to be bundled in a border bill except for a political stunt.

This is a failure on both parties.

 

[JTOSU]

Both parties have people not serious about border control and immigration.

100% agree

 

[steross]

I have never advocated for Republicans adding non-related items to the bill. What non-related items have you read that have been added?

You avoided the question and just said something else.

 

[JTOSU]

You avoided the question and just said something else.

The question about Dems relinquishing Ukraine funding bundled in a border security deal??? I think I have been clear on that in multiple posts. Yes, Ukraine funding has no place in a border deal. If they are serious on border security there is no reason to include.

Just like if the Republicans attempted to bundle a tax cut in a border security deal. It has no place either.

Question: Should I be interpreting that you think including billions for Ukraine is meaningful for border security?

 

[CowboyJD]

It’s almost as if he doesn’t realize how public policy compromise actually works.

Wants a strong border bill that is more severe than what Dems want.

Doesn’t think MAGA should give an inch on any other issue to get it.

 

[JTOSU]

It’s almost as if he doesn’t realize how public policy compromise actually works.

Wants a strong border bill that is more severe than what Dems want.

Doesn’t think MAGA should give an inch on any other issue to get it.

LOL. I know I shouldn’t respond to extremists on this board, but this is …wow.

Are you saying/admitting Dems don’t want to uphold current laws? I disagree with that.

Sorry dude, but border security is not a MAGA issue. It is a U.S. issue shared with the vast majority except far-far left progressives. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.

 

[CowboyJD]

LOL. I know I shouldn’t respond to extremists on this board, but this is …wow.

Are you saying/admitting Dems don’t want to uphold current laws? I disagree with that.

Sorry dude, but border security is not a MAGA issue. It is a U.S. issue shared with the vast majority except far-far left progressives. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.

No I’m not….and didn’t…..saying or arguing or even suggesting ANY of what you responded to Mr. Strawman.

But you know that.

You’re not dumb.

You just refuse to engage in good faith with the actual propositions made in favor of dodging and deliberately mis-characterizing.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Is it extreme to want responsible border security, reformed immigration laws and Ukraine funding?

Is it extreme to understand that ideological purity from either side is bad for the country? Look no further than language in the OK GOP condemnation of Lankford.

The majority of this country lives works and plays in the middle. They are getting tired of the true extreme crap from the ends of both sides.

 

[JTOSU]

Is it extreme to want responsible border security, reformed immigration laws and Ukraine funding?

Is it extreme to understand that ideological purity from either side is bad for the country? Look no further than language in the OK GOP condemnation of Lankford.

The majority of this country lives works and plays in the middle. They are getting tired of the true extreme crap from the ends of both sides.

I agree with that. Especially the last paragraph.

Would you agree that your first question that ends with “Ukraine funding” could just as easily be replaced with “tax cuts” and still be valid?

 

[HacklemanPoke]

I agree with that. Especially the last paragraph.

Would you agree that your first question that ends with “Ukraine funding” could just as easily be replaced with “tax cuts” and still be valid?

I don’t think it would be extreme to add to the first sentence w responsible tax cuts.

 

[Polds4OSU]