Border problem.
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Stillwater Townie
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Surely, the reason why the southern border didn't get under better control and still can't while Republicans ruled was because employers who use illegal immigrants made handsome donations to Republican and Democrat congress people alike. Employers can get by with paying them minimum wage. Minimum wage in Texas is $7.25. Wouldn't be shocked that they try to get by paying them less than that. They don't have to include any benefits. Remember the hard time Trump had in finding enough money to build the border wall? Now you know why. Probably, only some kind of awful, deadly mass causality incident conducted by illegal immigrants may make Congress change its mind.
He is playing to his crowd.
The decision that people need to make is are they willing to be part of that crowd? Is calling impoverished people crossing a border to jobs that we have waiting for them "animals" what you want to be a part of? Obviously, all agree the policies need to change. But, is the rhetoric worth it?
"in 1949 Time Magazine reported that "Besides making the trains run on time, Mussolini also made Rome's turbulent traffic run smoothly. He prohibited the Roman pedestrian's custom of reading newspapers in the middle of the street. Once, interrupted in his meditations by a horn insistently honking in the Piazza Venezia below, Mussolini shouted an order that all "acoustic signaling" be forthwith prohibited in Rome. Romans whispered sadly that their "city of noise" had become the città del silenzio."
Worth it???????
I hope Pepperidge Farm remembers the why of what Haiti is today.
Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world, and rich countries have their fingerprints all over the nation's stunted development. The United States worked to isolate a newly independent Haiti during the early 19th century and violently occupied the island nation for 19 years in the early 20th century. While the U.S. officially left Haiti in 1934, it continued to control Haiti's public finances until 1947, siphoning away around 40% of Haiti's national income to service debt repayments to the U.S. and France.
Much of this debt to France was the legacy of what the University of Virginia scholar Marlene Daut calls "the greatest heist in history": surrounded by French gunboats, a newly independent Haiti was forced to pay its slaveholders reparations. You read that correctly. It was the former slaves of Haiti, not the French slaveholders, who were forced to pay reparations. Haitians compensated their oppressors and their oppressors' descendants for the privilege of being free. It took Haiti more than a century to pay the reparation debts off.
The Tragic Hope of Revolutionary Haiti
Haiti won its independence from France in 1804, and it was almost immediately made a pariah state by world powers. It was an independent, black-led nation — created by slaves who had cast aside their chains and fought their oppressors for their freedom — during a time when white-led nations were enforcing brutal, racist systems of exploitation around the world.Haiti, then known as Saint-Domingue, had been the crown jewel of the French empire. It was the most lucrative colony in the whole world. French planters forced African slaves to produce sugar, coffee, and other cash crops for the global market. The system seemed to work well. That is, until the French and American revolutions helped to inspire, in 1791, what became the world's largest and most successful slave revolt. Against all odds, the slaves won. Former slaves sent slaveholders scurrying to France and America — and Haitians successfully fought back subsequent efforts to re-enslave them. Haiti was the first nation to permanently ban slavery.
But as a nation of freed black slaves, Haiti was a threat to the existing world order. President Thomas Jefferson worked to isolate Haiti diplomatically and strangle it economically, fearing that the success of Haiti would inspire slave revolts back home. With the invention and spread of the cotton gin, slavery was becoming much more lucrative at the very same time a free Haiti was coming into existence, and slaveholders in the United States and other countries clung to and expanded the inhumane means of production. Haitian success was perceived as a threat to this system for decades, and the United States didn't officially recognize Haiti until 1862, as slavery began being abolished.
What does that have to do with the billions the Clintons laundered through there....oh wait, they were profiting too, I get it now.
Should make one ponder the trillions in foreign aid we are sending out now.
Nobody is defending Clinton on Haiti. I can't really see how that was assumed from what I posted.
I'm defending poor people trying to escape the place that if France and the US had not plundered would likely be a stable, functioning country.
Because that border bill included billions more to Ukraine. WTH does that have to do with our southern border?
mugatu
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Because the GOP said the only way they'd do Ukraine or other aid was if it provided border reform. Then they balked when they got exactly what they asked for.
Again, what does Ukraine have to do with our southern border?
Also, that's not exactly what they asked for.
They got the best border deal they have ever got and rejected it only because it would help Biden. Why is that ok? They even called Lankford a Rino for being a part of it. Lankford of all people. It was all partisan bull why are you ok with Republicans doing that?
I'm not ok with any of them "doing that". To secure the border doesn't have squat to do with Ukraine.
Aid to Ukraine doesn't have squat to do with the border crisis.
It's all b.s. to avoid problems and make their wallets fatter.
mugatu
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They combine things together as a compromise so two things can get done vs none. No party trusts the other to do something on their word so if each party wants something done they agree to combine them into a single bill, work out so e details and pass it. If done separately there's nothing to keep the second bill from getting voted down after being agreed to as it was written. It puts skin in the game for both sides to work something out.
Tyson Foods will hire 42,000+ Asylum seekers to fulfil open jobs that American's will not apply for. With US unemployment rate at 3.9% Tyson can not find American Citizens who will apply for their more unpleasant jobs.
They have now made the move to hire Asylum Seekers to fulfill the job openings
(Bloomberg) -- For politicians in Washington and New York City, an unprecedented stream of asylum seekers presents an intractable problem with no easy answers. For companies like Tyson Foods Inc., struggling to fill unpleasant jobs with a US unemployment rate of 3.9%, this new population presents an alluring opportunity.
Tyson is joining the nonprofit Tent Partnership for Refugees, which was founded by Chobani yogurt magnate Hamdi Ulukaya, with a plan to hire some of the 181,400 migrants that have come through New York City’s intake system over the past two years. The meatpacker already employs about 42,000 immigrants among its 120,000-strong US workforce.
“We would like to employ another 42,000 if we could find them,” said Garrett Dolan, who leads Tyson’s efforts to eliminate employment barriers such as immigration status or the need for childcare.
On a cold day last month, Tyson officials met with immigrants at Chobani’s offices in Manhattan and hired 17 asylum seekers from Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia for jobs at its plant in Humboldt, Tennessee. Last week, it hired 70 more.
It’s a tiny drop in the bucket when compared with the surge in new arrivals, but could point the way toward a partial solution to address companies’ labor shortages as well as the challenge of finding work for eligible immigrants. Tent is also working with four other companies seeking to hire migrants, including the airline food packager Gategroup Holding AG, which is backed by Singapore wealth fund Temasek.
Asylum hopefuls are typically eligible to receive work permits 180 days after they apply for the legal status, though some can receive them sooner. Many will wait years before their first immigration hearing due to court backlogs, but they’ll be allowed to work in the meantime.
Tyson is constantly in search of workers to fill jobs in its factories — tasks like washing meat, placing the cuts into trays and doing a final inspection for bones. Dolan says the company expects about 40% of the 100,000 people in these roles will leave each year, a statistic he says is standard across the meatpacking industry. To meet this need, he said, Tyson plans to hire about 52,000 people at that wage class — which starts at $16.50 an hour, plus benefits — in 2024 alone.
“We’re recognizing there’s not a lot of people that are going to be working labor-manufacturing jobs that are American,” Dolan said. A large portion of new hires “are going to come from refugees and immigrants, so we’re now in the business of strategically thinking that through.”
The food industry has long been a destination for immigrants, and it carries a checkered past of employment and workplace safety violations. Last year, Tyson and Perdue Farms Inc. were among food producers that came under investigation from the US Department of Labor after a New York Times report found contractors illegally employed migrant children at companies’ plants. The company says it has zero tolerance for child labor and doesn’t allow the employment of anyone under the age of 18 in any of its facilities.
Tyson is also investing in retaining immigrant workers, having earmarked $1.5 million a year for legal aid services in 2023 and 2024 and providing paid time off for workers to attend court hearings. Last year, Tyson paid for 1,317 workers to become US citizens.
The migrant hires and other new entry-level workers receive on-site childcare and transportation, as well as English classes for those who want them. The company is providing its new employees from New York with temporary housing, a relocation stipend and paid time off to better acclimate to their new lives in Humboldt.
“They’re very, very loyal,” Dolan said. “They’ve been uprooted and what they want is stability — what they want is a sense of belonging.”
They have now made the move to hire Asylum Seekers to fulfill the job openings
Tyson Is Hiring New York Immigrants for Jobs No One Else Wants
(Bloomberg) -- For politicians in Washington and New York City, an unprecedented stream of asylum seekers presents an intractable problem with no easy answers. For companies like Tyson Foods Inc., struggling to fill unpleasant jobs with a US unemployment rate of 3.9%, this new population presents an alluring opportunity.
Tyson is joining the nonprofit Tent Partnership for Refugees, which was founded by Chobani yogurt magnate Hamdi Ulukaya, with a plan to hire some of the 181,400 migrants that have come through New York City’s intake system over the past two years. The meatpacker already employs about 42,000 immigrants among its 120,000-strong US workforce.
“We would like to employ another 42,000 if we could find them,” said Garrett Dolan, who leads Tyson’s efforts to eliminate employment barriers such as immigration status or the need for childcare.
On a cold day last month, Tyson officials met with immigrants at Chobani’s offices in Manhattan and hired 17 asylum seekers from Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia for jobs at its plant in Humboldt, Tennessee. Last week, it hired 70 more.
It’s a tiny drop in the bucket when compared with the surge in new arrivals, but could point the way toward a partial solution to address companies’ labor shortages as well as the challenge of finding work for eligible immigrants. Tent is also working with four other companies seeking to hire migrants, including the airline food packager Gategroup Holding AG, which is backed by Singapore wealth fund Temasek.
Asylum hopefuls are typically eligible to receive work permits 180 days after they apply for the legal status, though some can receive them sooner. Many will wait years before their first immigration hearing due to court backlogs, but they’ll be allowed to work in the meantime.
Tyson is constantly in search of workers to fill jobs in its factories — tasks like washing meat, placing the cuts into trays and doing a final inspection for bones. Dolan says the company expects about 40% of the 100,000 people in these roles will leave each year, a statistic he says is standard across the meatpacking industry. To meet this need, he said, Tyson plans to hire about 52,000 people at that wage class — which starts at $16.50 an hour, plus benefits — in 2024 alone.
“We’re recognizing there’s not a lot of people that are going to be working labor-manufacturing jobs that are American,” Dolan said. A large portion of new hires “are going to come from refugees and immigrants, so we’re now in the business of strategically thinking that through.”
The food industry has long been a destination for immigrants, and it carries a checkered past of employment and workplace safety violations. Last year, Tyson and Perdue Farms Inc. were among food producers that came under investigation from the US Department of Labor after a New York Times report found contractors illegally employed migrant children at companies’ plants. The company says it has zero tolerance for child labor and doesn’t allow the employment of anyone under the age of 18 in any of its facilities.
Tyson is also investing in retaining immigrant workers, having earmarked $1.5 million a year for legal aid services in 2023 and 2024 and providing paid time off for workers to attend court hearings. Last year, Tyson paid for 1,317 workers to become US citizens.
The migrant hires and other new entry-level workers receive on-site childcare and transportation, as well as English classes for those who want them. The company is providing its new employees from New York with temporary housing, a relocation stipend and paid time off to better acclimate to their new lives in Humboldt.
“They’re very, very loyal,” Dolan said. “They’ve been uprooted and what they want is stability — what they want is a sense of belonging.”
Stillwater Townie
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Wow, Tyson will pay migrants $16.50 hourly. With the case for Tyson, I was wrong for thinking employers would only want to pay them minimum wage.
As shown above, that is what the people that turned down the bill requested the bill to be:
We won't do foreign aid unless you add border security>>>>>>> Now we don't want border security because that helps the country but hurts our candidate and boss>>>>>>> Hey, it wasn't a border security bill anyway, it was mostly foreign aid.
