If only we could get people to admit that making false claims of widespread election fraud and claiming that an election was stolen is not good for America.
This used to not be a political issue.
Border problem.
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If only we could get people to admit that making false claims of widespread election fraud and claiming that an election was stolen is not good for America.
This used to not be a political issue.
Unclear how that applies to border security.
But, true. Hillary and team ran with that torch for four years, but Trump and his ilk definitely took it to another stratosphere over last 3.
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Intellectual dishonesty is just rampant and mind numbing
Trump started and fueled the Birther movement against Obama in 2011 and perpetuated it for 5 years calling Obama illegitimate POTUS....Before he finally in 2016 admitted that Obama was a US Citizen
How Donald Trump Perpetuated the 'Birther' Movement for Years
Reversing course, Trump admits Obama was born in the US
After five years as the chief promoter of a lie about Barack Obama's birthplace, Donald Trump abruptly reversed course and acknowledged the fact that the president was born in America.
apnews.com
You are like a MAGA talking points generator at times.
Democrats called Trump illegitimate because of Russian campaign tampering. Hillary did not make false claims that there was widespread election fraud like he did. And, unlike the voting fraud, it appears the Russians did tamper.
Fact-check: Did Democrats suggest 2016 presidential election was stolen?
Many prominent Democrats say Donald Trump's win in the 2016 presidential election was tainted.
www.statesman.com
The Democratic leaders cited by Youngkin’s office also made a distinction about 2016 that Trump and his followers did not about 2020. While the Democrats rejected the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency based on the oddities of the campaign, they acknowledged that he won the election.
Respectfully, I am nowhere close to MAGA. However on this board anything remotely to the right of AOC is branded MAGA.You are like a MAGA talking points generator at times.
Democrats called Trump illegitimate because of Russian campaign tampering. Hillary did not make false claims that there was widespread election fraud like he did. And, unlike the voting fraud, it appears the Russians did tamper.
The Democrats, while questioning events that occurred during the campaign, didn’t contend there was widespread vote-counting fraud that flipped the election.Fact-check: Did Democrats suggest 2016 presidential election was stolen?
Many prominent Democrats say Donald Trump's win in the 2016 presidential election was tainted.
The Democratic leaders cited by Youngkin’s office also made a distinction about 2016 that Trump and his followers did not about 2020. While the Democrats rejected the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency based on the oddities of the campaign, they acknowledged that he won the election.
Attempting to justify Hillary’s 4-year long campaign of not being a legitimate President certainly indicates defense from a partisan. She was absolutely wrong just like Trump. The way Trump grew it was no doubt much worse, but both claimed the election was stolen.
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If you are always turning everything to a defense/whataboutism in favor of Trump and the current Republicans, that is MAGA. You will have to show me where I defended Hillary. I just posted the truth about what happened. In fact, I gave my personal opinion about her words here. If I'm a partisan, I'm really shitty at it.
I wrote this:
And you responded with this:
Hillary did not "run with that torch" like you claimed. Those are the words of yet another lying MAGA talking point. Sorry, you pulled it out. Either wear it, or retract it.
Whataboutism? Dude, you somehow whatabouted “stolen elections” in a border security thread. And you attempt to claim someone else is whatabouting? Have to admit…bold. And how am I making any statement “in favor of Trump”. I specifically called out Hillary and Trump for stolen election claims and stated Trump took to to another stratosphere.
Your initial post was “claiming that an election was stolen is not good for America”. Yes Hillary did run with a stolen election claims. She did it for four years. Many times. Are you denying this or simply it wasn’t reported in the news you consume.
Compare this….
To this…..
Trump's Full Speech at D.C. Rally on Jan. 6
At a rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6, former President Trump repeated his unsubstantiated claims of fraud in both the November election and the Georgia U.S. Senate runoff, saying "We will never give up. We will never concede." Photo: Brendan Smialowski/AFP/Getty Images
www.wsj.com
You are a laugh riot with this nonsense.
If you are going to quote me, just use the quote button like I did so it is what I said not a chopped-up part sentence that does not give my actual thoughts. To make your "point," you had to omit what is obviously the most important part of what I wrote.
If you bothered to read the post you responded to you would have the answer to your question.
And LOL at someone who only posts MAGA talking points trying to insult the sources of news I consume.
Don’t beat yourself up. You are actually very good at it.
Now a “MAGA“ posting several times that not only will they not vote for Trump, but they will vote for Biden in a head-to-head. That is a shitty MAGA.
Thanks for helping me make my point. I appreciate your consistency.
Your “point” is incredibly specious…as always.
Your “point” is always that if someone disagrees with your continued false equivalencies always in defense of one side….they’re somehow partisan.
Your “point” is consistently a
No, I just realize that both Hillary and Trump claimed for years their election is stolen. And I didn’t even attempt to make them equivalent as I stated Trump took is much much further.Your “point” is incredibly specious…as always.
Your “point” is always that if someone disagrees with your continued false equivalencies always in defense of one side….they’re somehow partisan.
Your “point” is consistently a.
I also realize that Republicans and Democrats are both at fault for the border. You appear to neither understand what Hillary did nor how Dems are at fault.
Yes, you are highly partisan on this board. This site is just a flip-flop from the OSU rivals site which is strongly right-wing - a board that incorrectly claims I am a liberal. I get it…both are political boards and people that lean more strongly one way or the other tend to post more. It just surprises me, but it shouldn’t, that some appear not to realize they are so in-grained in a bias…so much so they forget, deny, or don’t know history.
The lack of self awareness you exhibit in posting this is absolutely astounding.
Here we go again with the mischaracterizations of what others say and being intellectually dishonest.
What “Hillary did” was concede immediately, subsequently question Russian involvement in the election and whether or not Trump colluded with Russia. Btw. the Mueller investigation revealed clear evidence of Russian interference, but no evidence that Trump directly colluded with them. That is NOT the same thing as “claiming for years their election was stolen”….not even close.
I have EXPLICITLY stated in this very thread that Republicans and Democrats are both historically at fault for the border mess (more than once).
I have also pointed out that right now, as we speak, it is the MAGA wing of Republicans that are explicitly being obstructionist to the bipartisan negotiations in the Senate that potentially could improve the situation AND they’re doing it for one reason and only one reason….to get Trump elected. They are choosing what benefits one man over what could benefit the entire country. I find that abhorrent, and the fact that both are at fault historically for the border problem doesn’t change any of that.
Yet your only response to that is “both are at fault” as an excuse for what is happening right now along with your continued intellectually dishonest claim that I haven’t acknowledged Dems historical role and responsibility/fault in the border problem.
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MAGA Convoy Confused By Lack Of 'Invasion' As They Arrive At Border
This week, a MAGA convoy descended on the border, inspired by Fox and other right wing media to stop a supposed “invasion” of hordes of migrants from pouring into the United States. They called their gathering the “Take Our Border Back Rally.” But as they arrived to Eagle Pass, Texas (after a, um, rocky start), they were shocked to find that the situation at the border was much different than they were led to believe. In fact, the only “hordes” of people who were at the border were the MAGA border vigilantes themselves.
MSNBC caught up with a rally goer named Misty in Quemado, Texas, who shared her confusion about what she witnessed at the border, or rather, what she didn’t witness.
“We actually made it into Eagle Pass…I was able to see some people trying to cross and stopped at the wire there,” she told the MSNBC anchor. “It’s very eye opening,” she added.
“And tell me more about ‘eye opening.’ Is it what you expected? Is it better? Is it worse?” asked the reporter.
Misty responded, “It’s not what I expected. But then again I don’t know what I expected. I can tell you it’s not as bad as what I thought. So that’s kind of eye opening in itself, too.”
Fox and other right wing networks and influencers have been hyping up the idea that there is an invasion at the border nonstop since the Biden economy began setting records. They wouldn’t just lie to their viewers, would they? Well, let's just say we'd bet $787.5 million that they would.
This week, a MAGA convoy descended on the border, inspired by Fox and other right wing media to stop a supposed “invasion” of hordes of migrants from pouring into the United States. They called their gathering the “Take Our Border Back Rally.” But as they arrived to Eagle Pass, Texas (after a, um, rocky start), they were shocked to find that the situation at the border was much different than they were led to believe. In fact, the only “hordes” of people who were at the border were the MAGA border vigilantes themselves.
MSNBC caught up with a rally goer named Misty in Quemado, Texas, who shared her confusion about what she witnessed at the border, or rather, what she didn’t witness.
“We actually made it into Eagle Pass…I was able to see some people trying to cross and stopped at the wire there,” she told the MSNBC anchor. “It’s very eye opening,” she added.
“And tell me more about ‘eye opening.’ Is it what you expected? Is it better? Is it worse?” asked the reporter.
Misty responded, “It’s not what I expected. But then again I don’t know what I expected. I can tell you it’s not as bad as what I thought. So that’s kind of eye opening in itself, too.”
Fox and other right wing networks and influencers have been hyping up the idea that there is an invasion at the border nonstop since the Biden economy began setting records. They wouldn’t just lie to their viewers, would they? Well, let's just say we'd bet $787.5 million that they would.
