2024 Presidential Election

Vakarian74 said:
Also I agree the electoral system is not the most ideal anymore. What are ways to change it without going to the opposite side of rural votes having less weight. This is of course forgetting about having to get 2/3rds of the states to agree to change it.
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Break Urban counties out and give them their own points based on population. That would give people in Austin and Tulsa a voice. It wouldn't drag the entire rural areas in states like New York and Pennsylvania to one direction.

Nothing is going to change on this during the lifetime of anyone on this board. Its wasted breath every 4 years.
 
Bowers3 said:
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Yeah, I'm not going to defend it. Stupid question for this forum of political masterminds.

I Honestly didn't know if anyone else had qualified for the OK ballot. It's all the filtered info being shoved down my throat.
 
Vakarian74 said:
Also I agree the electoral system is not the most ideal anymore. What are ways to change it without going to the opposite side of rural votes having less weight. This is of course forgetting about having to get 2/3rds of the states to agree to change it.
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If state electoral votes were given proportionally to how the state voted I think it would help. Say a state has 10 electoral votes. Candidate A gets 60% of the votes and candidate B gets 40%. So instead of candidate A getting 10 electors they get 6 and candidate B gets 4. It would take the power from the swing states because they would basically split 50/50 and it would allow voters in states that typically vote against their preferred party to have their voices heard.
 
cowboyinexile said:
If state electoral votes were given proportionally to how the state voted I think it would help. Say a state has 10 electoral votes. Candidate A gets 60% of the votes and candidate B gets 40%. So instead of candidate A getting 10 electors they get 6 and candidate B gets 4. It would take the power from the swing states because they would basically split 50/50 and it would allow voters in states that typically vote against their preferred party to have their voices heard.
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I'm a fan of this approach to help incentivize voter turnout among minority (politically) votes.

I think states could indivdually decide to allocate that way.
 
Vakarian74 said:
This is how I look at it also.
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I’ve had people on both sides tell me my vote is an effective vote for the other side. I’m sorry, but political speech doesn’t work that way. You don’t get to speak for me. You don’t get to interpret my vote. My vote is for who I cast it for and against who I cast it against and I alone get to decide that. You don’t have to like it, but that is the way it is.

I give guitar lessons on Tuesday night and I have a long drive home which gave me a long time to think. What I really want is for Trump to lose, lose badly, and for MAGA to be purged from Republican Party. I think Trump is going to lose, but will it be bad enough for MAGA to be purged? I dunno. I doubt it. A lot to think about.


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RxCowboy said:
I’ve had people on both sides tell me my vote is an effective vote for the other side. I’m sorry, but political speech doesn’t work that way. You don’t get to speak for me. You don’t get to interpret my vote. My vote is for who I cast it for and against who I cast it against and I alone get to decide that. You don’t have to like it, but that is the way it is.

I give guitar lessons on Tuesday night and I have a long drive home which gave me a long time to think. What I really want is for Trump to lose, lose badly, and for MAGA to be purged from Republican Party. I think Trump is going to lose, but will it be bad enough for MAGA to be purged? I dunno. I doubt it. A lot to think about.


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Democrats had a chance to absolutely burn MAGA to the ground. Didn't take it.
 
CowboyJD said:
Honestly, I have no freaking idea.

Maybe a movement away from winner take all in the electoral college might have some effect.

I'm also a big fan of ranked choice voting because I believe it tends to favor more moderate/less extreme candidates. Ranked choice voting in primaries and in general elections my help as well.
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IMO ranked choice voting is the best change that is easily made. There will never be a total overhaul because the 2 parties won’t allow it: Ranked choice goes both ways…..not perfectly but better than this.
 
No Mitch ..Trump spelled certain doom for the Republican party. Harris just has an opportunity to be the last elected person when the Republican party was relevant


Mitch McConnell told a crowd of lawmakers in Louisville, Kentucky, that a Harris administration would spell certain doom for the Republican Party.

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Here’s What Scares Republicans Most About a Harris Win

Mitch McConnell is terrified Kamala Harris will enact policies that end up kneecapping the Republican Party.
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Donnyboy said:
IMO ranked choice voting is the best change that is easily made. There will never be a total overhaul because the 2 parties won’t allow it: Ranked choice goes both ways…..not perfectly but better than this.
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Alaska went to ranked choice. They're already gaming the system, and in the process of getting rid of it.
 
Stillwaterman said:
Democrats had a chance to absolutely burn MAGA to the ground. Didn't take it.
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As I've said before, Republicans lost down-ballot in 2018 and 2020, and the 2022 "red-wave" didn't happen and pretty much everyone Trump campaigned for lost. Still, they nominated him without him going through any of the debates. They didn't get the message. He has a rabid base, but he's deeply unpopular with the rest of the country.

I voted for Kasich in the 2016 primary. I wanted anyone but Trump, but that likely would have meant that Hillary would have been president. In retrospect, that probably would have been the best outcome. It would have meant that she would have been president when covid hit, and a not-Trump Republican would have been elected in 2020, because no president was going to survive the pandemic. I didn't vote in the 2020 primary because it was pointless. I didn't vote in this year's primary because I am no longer a Republican, but if I had I would have voted for Nikki Haley.

I'm voting against Trump. Harris has yet to give me a reason to vote for her. Her closing argument is "I'm not Trump." There is other not-Trump on the ballot.
 
RxCowboy said:
Alaska went to ranked choice. They're already gaming the system, and in the process of getting rid of it.
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They aren’t in a process to get rid of it. There is a ballot measure to vote on getting rid of it. The “gaming” that occurred is Sarah Palin is such a poor candidate that the people that voted for the other republican did not put Palin second so the democrat who got the most 1st place votes won. Conservatives think that means it doesn’t work. No, it means your candidate sucked and even republicans didn’t want her. https://alaskapublic.org/2024/10/29...he-first-state-to-ditch-ranked-choice-voting/
 
steross said:
They aren’t in a process to get rid of it. There is a ballot measure to vote on getting rid of it. The “gaming” that occurred is Sarah Palin is such a poor candidate that the people that voted for the other republican did not put Palin second so the democrat who got the most 1st place votes won. Conservatives think that means it doesn’t work. No, it means your candidate sucked and even republicans didn’t want her. https://alaskapublic.org/2024/10/29...he-first-state-to-ditch-ranked-choice-voting/
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So it did what it was supposed to do (allow more central and sane candidates to prosper) and as a result the Rep party in the state was unhappy. Sounds about right.
 
steross said:
They aren’t in a process to get rid of it. There is a ballot measure to vote on getting rid of it. The “gaming” that occurred is Sarah Palin is such a poor candidate that the people that voted for the other republican did not put Palin second so the democrat who got the most 1st place votes won. Conservatives think that means it doesn’t work. No, it means your candidate sucked and even republicans didn’t want her. https://alaskapublic.org/2024/10/29...he-first-state-to-ditch-ranked-choice-voting/
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Why are some Republican candidates quitting Alaska's general election? Strategy. • Alaska Beacon

Candidates for Alaska Legislature are hoping to consolidate support ahead of the ranked choice general election in November.
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