US continues to go backward...

[cowboyinexile]

I truly don’t understand people speculating motive because of “facts” provided by certain media…and before we know what really happened and why. First Trump bros claim he is left-wing based only on who was killed. Then leftists dolts claim he is Republican and stupidly copy a left-wing blog that posts information about an innocent guy with the same name and post incorrect pics of a shirt his dad wore.

How do you get that his family is “pretty” right wing?

Maybe, just maybe, this is just one messed up dude that slips through the cracks at school and is easily influenced by media and desperately clings onto something in a cry for help or an attempt to feel relevant. It really doesn’t matter if he is left or right wing. Robinson deserves the largest punishment law will allow, - only he is at fault —- but our society continually misses these young people because our system does not have a place for them.

Its what his grandmother said.

And look at it: Mormon family from rural Utah. Dad has been a sheriff (guessing he was elected) for the last quarter century. When he first thought his son was involved he called another person in law enforcement who happened to be a preacher. Tell me what screams bunch of democrats to you about that?



I think your 3rd paragraph might end up being pretty accurate though.

 

[Stillwater Townie]

I just want correct information to get out. That's all. We've been told one thing, then that's wrong, then another thing, that's wrong. So far, no one knows who this kid was or why. We only know he wasn't afflicted with either party on the voters rolls, didn't vote and he (despite the previous reports) never donated to anyone. We know what he wrote on the shells, we know who he lives with.

We do have reports that the shooter WAS in a relationship with the transgender person living with him.

"Each of the six sources familiar with the investigation told Axios that investigators believe Robinson had a romantic relationship with his roommate."

There were ONLY the two of them (not 'three others') and per The Daily Mail "The neighbor said Robinson and Twiggs had a third roommate who moved out about a year ago. To their knowledge, no others have moved in since."

There were two people in the apartment, Robinson and Twiggs. No one else. Reports are they were in a relationship.

Who cares? What if he was in a relationship with a black straight woman? Or white? Who cares? Senseless shootings will continue to go on. Nobody seems to care about doing something about that. It's all about what goes on in the individual's severely messed up head.

 

[Ryno]

Who cares? What if he was in a relationship with a black straight woman? Or white? Who cares? Senseless shootings will continue to go on. Nobody seems to care about doing something about that. It's all about what goes on in the individual's severely messed up head.

If he was in a transgender relationship, then he's LGBTQ+... and we've had a series of recent high profile deaths/mass shootings with LGBTQ+ killers. It's become more and more common for some reason.

But people want to label the killer one way or the other. Kirk, being very conservative was murdered and both sides are throwing out labels on his kid... "He's MAGA!" or "He's a DSA!". I'd like to know the motivation. His ideology would help us understand that. All these posts under this entire thread, there are COUNTLESS replies saying Robinson was Republican, that he donated to Trump, etc. Well, seems to me... he's not any of those things. The kid grew up in a normal conservative family and became radicalized (likely online and within his peer group).

Now reports are, Robinson's 'partner' (male transitioning to a female) hated Trump and Kirk. “He (Lance Twiggs) is very angry with anyone who is supportive of conservative ideals and Christian values.” and “For at least four years, I haven’t talked to him,” the relative alleged of Lance. “I did not want him around my personal family. He’s not a healthy person. He is very angry with anyone who is supportive of conservative ideals and Christian values.” (Jessica McBride, Wisconsin Right Now)

As for 'senseless shootings', evil will try to find a way... unfortunately. I'm sure we will find out that this could have been prevented if someone who knew or noticed something, had said something. But what are we going to do? Push the age of firearm ownership to 30 years old? When the brain is fully developed?

 

[OrangeFan69]

The shooter is still alive. We'll find out what his ideology is.

The most common reason for homicide by gun is a crime of passion.

WE'RE ALL SPECULATING.

For all we know, he and Charlie Kirk may have had a very under the radar passionate forbidden homosexual relationship and since we're all assuming, Kirk was likely the power bottom. Which seems like more of the submissive in the relationship, but Charlie Kirk would actually control the pace and friction of the forbidden homosexual sex with the 22 year old college student. Tyler Robinson could have discovered that Charlie Kirk was having forbidden unprotected homosexual sex with a number of other college age men among the many campuses and that may have caused jealousy because Tyler Robinson felt the homosexual sex he was having with Charlie Kirk was sacred and unique.

I doubt Charle Kirk made a lot of money as a political activist/ community organizer; He's a true believer in Republican and Conservative ideology and profiting from your belief system would be ideologically wrong and incongruent with his beliefs. So obviously one of the things he sought was access to young college men he could have forbidden homosexual sex with. Tyler Robinson likely felt like a scorned lover specifically after all of the homosexual anal sex that Charlie Kirk had with him upon realizing that Charlie Kirk was promiscuous and having forbidden sweaty homosexual sex with college age men on every campus he visited.

Tyler Robinson knew that Charlie Kirk, whom he had numerous homosexual encounters of deep sweaty anal sex wanted to announce to the world and he was more than just the man who engaged in forbidden sodomy with Charlie Kirk.

WE'RE ALL JUST SPECULATING UNTIL THE KID TALKS.

If anyone is offended by what I wrote, just remember unless you are a family member of Charlie Kirk, no one owes you an apology, you likely just liked his videos and content. You may have saw him on campus at OSU, and that's cool. You didn't know him. All you saw was his crafted public persona and appearance.

Nobody in the 1980's knew Bill Cosby was a serial predator and rapist while he pretended to be America's Dad and favorite entertainer as Dr. Phil Huxtable.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

If he was in a transgender relationship, then he's LGBTQ+... and we've had a series of recent high profile deaths/mass shootings with LGBTQ+ killers. It's become more and more common for some reason.

But people want to label the killer one way or the other. Kirk, being very conservative was murdered and both sides are throwing out labels on his kid... "He's MAGA!" or "He's a DSA!". I'd like to know the motivation. His ideology would help us understand that. All these posts under this entire thread, there are COUNTLESS replies saying Robinson was Republican, that he donated to Trump, etc. Well, seems to me... he's not any of those things. The kid grew up in a normal conservative family and became radicalized (likely online and within his peer group).

Now reports are, Robinson's 'partner' (male transitioning to a female) hated Trump and Kirk. “He (Lance Twiggs) is very angry with anyone who is supportive of conservative ideals and Christian values.” and “For at least four years, I haven’t talked to him,” the relative alleged of Lance. “I did not want him around my personal family. He’s not a healthy person. He is very angry with anyone who is supportive of conservative ideals and Christian values.” (Jessica McBride, Wisconsin Right Now)

As for 'senseless shootings', evil will try to find a way... unfortunately. I'm sure we will find out that this could have been prevented if someone who knew or noticed something, had said something. But what are we going to do? Push the age of firearm ownership to 30 years old? When the brain is fully developed?

What if it could have been prevented by being decent human beings to others. Not legislate our brand of morality or faith. Leave people alone and not try to take away rights. Not suggest that gay people should be banned from participation in society or locked up or worse publicly executed. What if we didn’t say to millions that homeless persons should be genocided.

You know. Prevent these things by actually living in peace.

 

[Ryno]

What if it could have been prevented by being decent human beings to others. Not legislate our brand of morality or faith. Leave people alone and not try to take away rights. Not suggest that gay people should be banned from participation in society or locked up or worse publicly executed. What if we didn’t say to millions that homeless persons should be genocided.

You know. Prevent these things by actually living in peace.

So, Kirk suggested and openly advocated for gay people being banned from society, arrested and killed in a public execution? He said we should kill homeless people?

LOL Goodness.... you really believe tha? You feel that Kirk wasn't a 'decent human being' and if he was, he'd still be alive today? IMO, along with MILLIONS in this country and around the world (see the vigils happening in other countries) was that HE WAS a good and decent man and if you felt he was wrong, then he welcomed that discussion. He welcomed open debate... which is the first amendment in our Bill of Rights.

 

[PF5]

If he was in a transgender relationship, then he's LGBTQ+... and we've had a series of recent high profile deaths/mass shootings with LGBTQ+ killers. It's become more and more common for some reason.

But people want to label the killer one way or the other. Kirk, being very conservative was murdered and both sides are throwing out labels on his kid... "He's MAGA!" or "He's a DSA!". I'd like to know the motivation. His ideology would help us understand that. All these posts under this entire thread, there are COUNTLESS replies saying Robinson was Republican, that he donated to Trump, etc. Well, seems to me... he's not any of those things. The kid grew up in a normal conservative family and became radicalized (likely online and within his peer group).

Now reports are, Robinson's 'partner' (male transitioning to a female) hated Trump and Kirk. “He (Lance Twiggs) is very angry with anyone who is supportive of conservative ideals and Christian values.” and “For at least four years, I haven’t talked to him,” the relative alleged of Lance. “I did not want him around my personal family. He’s not a healthy person. He is very angry with anyone who is supportive of conservative ideals and Christian values.” (Jessica McBride, Wisconsin Right Now)

As for 'senseless shootings', evil will try to find a way... unfortunately. I'm sure we will find out that this could have been prevented if someone who knew or noticed something, had said something. But what are we going to do? Push the age of firearm ownership to 30 years old? When the brain is fully developed?

Most mass shootings/high profile shootings are done by straight white males…

This may help:

https://www.start.umd.edu/news/start-in-the-news/no-there-not-epidemic-shootings-trans-people

 

[HacklemanPoke]

So, Kirk suggested and openly advocated for gay people being banned from society, arrested and killed in a public execution? He said we should kill homeless people?

LOL Goodness.... you really believe tha? You feel that Kirk wasn't a 'decent human being' and if he was, he'd still be alive today? IMO, along with MILLIONS in this country and around the world (see the vigils happening in other countries) was that HE WAS a good and decent man and if you felt he was wrong, then he welcomed that discussion. He welcomed open debate... which is the first amendment in our Bill of Rights.

I never mentioned Kirk in my post. I did it intentionally to see if someone would do as you did and assume I was referencing Kirk. I even threw in the tidbit where Brian Kilmeade from Fox openly on the air advocated for killing over 35,000 homeless veterans and another 700,000+ of our fellow citizens.

Why are you so wanton trying to figure out why LGBTQ or transgenderism is the cause behind this. We have decades of high profile mass shootings (bc every mass shooting is high profile) perpetrated by straight white males of all ages and we haven’t done a dang thing to stop them. On the same day as Charlie was murdered a 16 year old marches into a school and just starts randomly firing at anyone and not one post from you trying to figure out why. Why now?

I’ve said before. I don’t know Charlie Kirk’s heart. What happened to him and his family and friends and people whose incomes depended on him was evil. I didn’t ascribe to Charlie any of those things. I don’t know if he said them or not. What I said we hear is just as evil as what we hear on a daily basis from Christian Nationalists or Fox News hosts and people on the extreme left.

Maybe not Charlie’s murder, but definitely other killings could be prevented if we just let people live and quit trying to legislate morality. Quit telling people they are less than.

 

[Ryno]

I never mentioned Kirk in my post. I did it intentionally to see if someone would do as you did and assume I was referencing Kirk. I even threw in the tidbit where Brian Kilmeade from Fox openly on the air advocated for killing over 35,000 homeless veterans and another 700,000+ of our fellow citizens.

Why are you so wanton trying to figure out why LGBTQ or transgenderism is the cause behind this. We have decades of high profile mass shootings (bc every mass shooting is high profile) perpetrated by straight white males of all ages and we haven’t done a dang thing to stop them. On the same day as Charlie was murdered a 16 year old marches into a school and just starts randomly firing at anyone and not one post from you trying to figure out why. Why now?

I’ve said before. I don’t know Charlie Kirk’s heart. What happened to him and his family and friends and people whose incomes depended on him was evil. But not any more evil than what we hear on a daily basis from Christian Nationalists or Fox News hosts and people on the extreme left.

Maybe not Charlie’s murder, but definitely other killings could be prevented if we just let people live and quit trying to legislate morality. Quit telling people they are less than.

Considering he's been the topic and your mentioning about what Kilmeade said (yea, moronic statement), it's not far fetched for me to reply how I did.

What is your def. of a 'mass shooting'?

 

[Ryno]

Most mass shootings/high profile shootings are done by straight white males…

This may help:

https://www.start.umd.edu/news/start-in-the-news/no-there-not-epidemic-shootings-trans-people

What is a 'mass shooting' exactly?

 

[GratefulPoke]

So, Kirk suggested and openly advocated for gay people being banned from society, arrested and killed in a public execution? He said we should kill homeless people?

LOL Goodness.... you really believe tha? You feel that Kirk wasn't a 'decent human being' and if he was, he'd still be alive today? IMO, along with MILLIONS in this country and around the world (see the vigils happening in other countries) was that HE WAS a good and decent man and if you felt he was wrong, then he welcomed that discussion. He welcomed open debate... which is the first amendment in our Bill of Rights.

Yes, he supported public executions and thought they would be a "coming of age" experience.

On his weekly panel discussion, "ThoughtCrime," Kirk was discussing death penalties of those convicted of crimes, adding that not only does he believe there should be public executions, but that children should watch them.

"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" Kirk asked.

Kirk, along with his co-hosts Jack Posobiec, Tyler Bowyer and Blake Neff, continued to discuss at what age should children watch the public executions, with one co-host pointing out as young as 12 years old.

"I think maybe age 12, sixth grade or so when you are old enough... " Neff said.

While Bowyer pointed out that it should be at an age when someone "can embrace the meaning" of the execution.

In response, Kirk said, "I think it should be taken in a holy way and I don't mean holy in a bad way, I mean that this is heavy.

In addition, Kirk asked whether crime would go up or down if children were to watch public executions, "Here's a question for anyone that might be not persuaded. Would crime go up or down?"


Bowyer said, "It would go way down," with Kirk then asking, "So why is this even a question?"

Here is a nice video of this "greatest hits"

https://bsky.app/profile/adamparkhomenko.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3lyrgujguvs23

Also Joe Biden should be "put in prison and/or given the death penalty for crimes against America"

Charlie Kirk: Joe Biden should be "put in prison and/or given the death penalty for crimes against America"

www.mediamatters.org

Moral of the story, is the guy should have never been murdered and political violence is wrong. But lets quit this charade like he was anything other than a hateful bully that is one of the contributing factors to why our country is where it is.

 

[Polds4OSU]

Mike Johnson: "People have got to stop framing simple policy disagreements in terms of existential threats to our democracy. You can't call the other side fascists and enemies of the state and not understand that there are some deranged people in our society who will take that as cues to act."

Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads

Mike Johnson: "People have got to stop framing simple policy disagreements in terms of existential threats to our democracy. You can't call the other side fascists and enemies of the state and not understand that there are some deranged people in our society who will take that as cues to act."

www.threads.com

“Calling people a fascist is dangerous, violent rhetoric.”

Ok.

Here is a compilation of Trump doing precisely that:

Governor Newsom Press Office (@gov.press.office) on Threads

“Calling people a fascist is dangerous, violent rhetoric.” Ok. Here is a compilation of Trump doing precisely that:

www.threads.com

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Considering he's been the topic and your mentioning about what Kilmeade said (yea, moronic statement), it's not far fetched for me to reply how I did.

What is your def. of a 'mass shooting'?

What Kilmeade said is not just moronic it’s eff’n evil. He openly in front of millions called for executing hundreds of thousands of people.

I’m not getting into semantics w you.

 

[Ryno]

Yes, he supported public executions and thought they would be a "coming of age" experience.


Here is a nice video of this "greatest hits"

https://bsky.app/profile/adamparkhomenko.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3lyrgujguvs23

Also Joe Biden should be "put in prison and/or given the death penalty for crimes against America"

Charlie Kirk: Joe Biden should be "put in prison and/or given the death penalty for crimes against America"

www.mediamatters.org

Moral of the story, is the guy should have never been murdered and political violence is wrong. But lets quit this charade like he was anything other than a hateful bully that is one of the contributing factors to why our country is where it is.

Small pieces of videos that were much longer. You can take ANYONE and cut 5-10 second clips out of what they say to make it fit a negative narrative.

 

[Ryno]

What Kilmeade said is not just moronic it’s eff’n evil. He openly in front of millions called for executing hundreds of thousands of people.

I’m not getting into semantics w you.

I don't disagree with you on Kilmeade. I think 90% of what FNC says is moronic.

As for "semantics", it matters. What is a 'mass shooting'? Why is that hard to answer or why are you refusing to answer?

 

[GratefulPoke]

Small pieces of videos that were much longer. You can take ANYONE and cut 5-10 second clips out of what they say to make it fit a negative narrative.

Again, go watch the full clips. That doesn't make ANY of them better.

 

[steross]

I don't disagree with you on Kilmeade. I think 90% of what FNC says is moronic.

As for "semantics", it matters. What is a 'mass shooting'? Why is that hard to answer or why are you refusing to answer?

Probably because any time I have seen that question asked, there is someone attempting to justify murders or not doing anything about murders.

It is like seeing the women raped at Baylor and saying, "Well, DEFINE sexual assault?" As if non-consenting sex ain't so bad if it doesn't meet some arbitrary definition. Same with mass shooting. People getting maimed or murdered by gunfire is not good. There is no reasonable argument that is it not a problem in this country. Trying to argue whether 2,3,4, or 57 people are required to meet the definition so you can minimize the stats is a pretty pathetic.

 

[Big Huck]

Again, go watch the full clips. That doesn't make ANY of them better.

Watched 15 minutes of him talk about immigration and half of it was him trying to make his viewers afraid for their country because we have politicians with brown skin and funny names.

 

[Polds4OSU]

What Kilmeade said is not just moronic it’s eff’n evil. He openly in front of millions called for executing hundreds of thousands of people.

I’m not getting into semantics w you.

6% of all homeless are United States Veterans

He was talking about them too

The man literally advocated for killing homeless veterans as apart of this his ignorant nonsense

 

[Ryno]

Probably because any time I have seen that question asked, there is someone attempting to justify murders or not doing anything about murders.

It is like seeing the women raped at Baylor and saying, "Well, DEFINE sexual assault?" As if non-consenting sex ain't so bad if it doesn't meet some arbitrary definition. Same with mass shooting. People getting maimed or murdered by gunfire is not good. There is no reasonable argument that is it not a problem in this country. Trying to argue whether 2,3,4, or 57 people are required to meet the definition so you can minimize the stats is a pretty pathetic.

Not at all. I want to know how many people are killed to be considered a 'mass shooting'? So, again (3rd time), what is a 'mass shooting'?

The claim of 'most mass shooters are white men' needs to be backed up with proof.